Matt Lauer fired

Babbylonian said:
When will longtime friends and associates learn to keep their stupid *********** mouths shut? "I never saw anything wrong." :rolleyes:
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While I think the 'we love Matt' contingent of his onstage colleagues was over the top disgusting, I'm talking about what all these guys except for 2 (of which one is tentative pending more time) have in common: everyone knew, many people said it was common knowledge.

In the case of Keillor and Franken we don't see that yet. In the case of all the others there is no shortage of people who knew.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
In the case of Keillor and Franken we don't see that yet. In the case of all the others there is no shortage of people who knew.
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It doesn't matter. Character witnesses are garbage for the simple reason that, except perhaps in the case of spouses (who have other credibility problems), what they know about the person they're talking about is extremely limited. I could spend 10 years working 8 hours a day with someone, and at the end of the day what I know about them outside of work will be what they tell me...and I'd know even less about someone I've worked with for 10 years if they had a personal office.

I truly don't understand the impulse to leap to the public defense of someone in this kind of situation, even if the defense is as weak as "well, I've never seen him do anything wrong."

Then again, I'm speaking from some experience here. I had a high school drama teacher whom I really liked. About a year after I was out of school, he was accused of touching/fondling students. I felt the instinct to defend him because he's always seemed like a good guy and I felt like I'd spent enough time with him (multiple hours every day for months at a time) to know. I was wrong. He was a bad guy, and I probably would have known that if I'd happened to have the type of genitalia he preferred. So, maybe I do understand, but at least I had the excuse of being 18 years old when I learned better.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
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In the case of Keillor and Franken we don't see that yet. In the case of all the others there is no shortage of people who knew.
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Let's just note that what Keillor and Franken did in no way compares to the others, particularly Keillor (he patted a woman on her bare back??). The latest reports about Lauer border on, if not are, actual physical assault.

This is what Keillor says for himself:
http://www.startribune.com/garrison-keillor-reportedly-fired-for-improper-behavior/460802703/#1

Meanwhile, here's the latest on Lauer:
http://variety.com/2017/biz/news/matt-lauer-accused-sexual-harassment-multiple-women-1202625959/
 
Babbylonian said:
It doesn't matter. ....
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It does matter, and I'm not talking about supporting character witnesses, I'm talking about 'everyone knew'.

It's hard to hide such behavior for years.

You have to look at all the evidence. Lauer certainly has plenty of 'everyone knew' reports.
 
Babbylonian said:
It doesn't matter. Character witnesses are garbage for the simple reason that, except perhaps in the case of spouses (who have other credibility problems), what they know about the person they're talking about is extremely limited. I could spend 10 years working 8 hours a day with someone, and at the end of the day what I know about them outside of work will be what they tell me...and I'd know even less about someone I've worked with for 10 years if they had a personal office.

I truly don't understand the impulse to leap to the public defense of someone in this kind of situation, even if the defense is as weak as "well, I've never seen him do anything wrong."

Then again, I'm speaking from some experience here. I had a high school drama teacher whom I really liked. About a year after I was out of school, he was accused of touching/fondling students. I felt the instinct to defend him because he's always seemed like a good guy and I felt like I'd spent enough time with him (multiple hours every day for months at a time) to know. I was wrong. He was a bad guy, and I probably would have known that if I'd happened to have the type of genitalia he preferred. So, maybe I do understand, but at least I had the excuse of being 18 years old when I learned better.
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Really? Good for you!! If you don't mind, and even if you *********** do, I'll hang back and wait a few days ...
 
Elagabalus said:
Really? Good for you!! If you don't mind, and even if you *********** do, I'll hang back and wait a few days ...
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I'm not sure what you mean. For the record, I have no opinion as to whether or not Keillor is a bad guy. Not enough data.
 
Everyone at NBC seems to be crying about there poor little pervert Matt Lauer. It’s no wonder these things he did were ignored.
 
logger said:
Everyone at NBC seems to be crying about there poor little pervert Matt Lauer. It’s no wonder these things he did were ignored.
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No one at the White House seems to be upset about their poor little pervert, Donald Trump. It's no wonder he supports other perverts like Roy Moore and Bill O'Reilly.
 
logger said:
Everyone at NBC seems to be crying about there poor little pervert Matt Lauer. It’s no wonder these things he did were ignored.
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The things he did were ignored because the executives (other men) were
afraid if they lost the perv, they would lose money.

Because unknown women do not matter and they knew it.

It was all about Matt and his perverted needs.
 
snoop_doxie said:
The things he did were ignored because the executives (other men) were
afraid if they lost the perv, they would lose money.

Because unknown women do not matter and they knew it.

It was all about Matt and his perverted needs.
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Same with O'Reilly. Then it turned out Ailes had his own abusive behavior.
 
I hesitate to link to this because it's the Daily Fail, but if it's true it sounds like they really need to clean house over at NBC:

EXCLUSIVE: 'No one wanted Megyn here, she was forced upon us and today reinforced why she will NEVER be part of the Today family.' Staff are outraged at 'smug' Kelly and her insensitivity to colleagues over Matt Lauer firing

Staffers at The Today Show have expressed their disgust and outrage at Megyn Kelly for her smug, self-aggrandizing display and insensitivity to her distraught colleagues in the wake of Matt Lauer's firing.

Insiders at the show told DailyMail.com that if she had a public comment to make she should have focused on the accuser and the Today team who are devastated by by the allegation surrounding Lauer and his firing, which came late Tuesday night.

Instead, Kelly used her platform on her show Wednesday to say: 'This one does hit close to home. I too have known Matt for a long time and he has been a friend and kind and supportive to me in my transition to NBC News.'

And later that day, at a media event in Manhattan, she hailed his firing as 'a sign of progress.'

Her Today Show colleagues are outraged.

'We work in an industry of egos but this is the most opportunistic thing we've ever seen,' said one staffer.

'We now have the highest paid person at NBC News hosting one of the lowest rating shows, and rather than being humble, she takes the first opportunity to take the spotlight and make it all about her and what she knew.

'Our team is hurting and the newest member of the team who is yet to prove herself is out and about making public comments that she truly has no knowledge of.'

All day members of the Today show were crying and distraught, staffers told DailyMail.com.

'But rather than sticking around and spending time with the staff, Megyn made sure she was the center of attention.

'No one wanted Megyn here, she was forced upon us and today reinforced why she will never be a member of the Today family.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...e-Megyn-Kelly-Lauer-firing.html#ixzz4zyIAoLwH
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Why all the hate for Megyn? Surely she can't be blamed for Lauer's own misdeeds, most of which seem to have predated her move to NBC.
 
Puppycow said:
I hesitate to link to this because it's the Daily Fail, but if it's true it sounds like they really need to clean house over at NBC:

EXCLUSIVE: 'No one wanted Megyn here, she was forced upon us and today reinforced why she will NEVER be part of the Today family.' Staff are outraged at 'smug' Kelly and her insensitivity to colleagues over Matt Lauer firing



Why all the hate for Megyn? Surely she can't be blamed for Lauer's own misdeeds, most of which seem to have predated her move to NBC.
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The knives were out for Megyn long before this happened. Her contract is an albatross due to her ratings It was rumored that it was going to force them to jettison Lauer after his contract expired even before this happened.
 
Stacko said:
The knives were out for Megyn long before this happened. Her contract is an albatross due to her ratings It was rumored that it was going to force them to jettison Lauer after his contract expired even before this happened.
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Exactly. There was nothing she could say that could make anyone at NBC happy, unless it was an additional [credible] accusation against Lauer, which would probably have earned her some sympathy (and ratings). Kelly is horrible, overpaid, and she didn't bring the audience with her for which NBC [foolishly] hoped. As ad revenues go down, everyone else at the network will suffer while Kelly continues to collect riches.
 
At least Matt Lauer has Geraldo Rivera backing him up...;)

On the other hand, considering that Mr. Rivera:

1. Once wrote an autobiography where he seemed to brag about his sexual "conquests," :covereyes

2. Apparently bemoaned the sexual harassment workplace rules that came into effect in the 1990's for interfering with his "social life," :rolleyes:

3. And then there is the matter of a video clip from a 1991 Barbara Walters interview where one of his "conquests" indicated that their encounter was not exactly "consensual." :eye-poppi
(I don't know what's worse for him here - that fact that this clip exist, or that the person being interviewed is not exactly a "minor" celebrity ...:D

this might be more of a case of "with friends like this, who needs enemies?" :eek:
 
Rivera did protest on Twitter yesterday that incidents over five years old shouldn't count, and also that claims should be ignored unless there's an actual witness (lol) or a phone or video recording.
 
Checkmite said:
Rivera did protest on Twitter yesterday that incidents over five years old shouldn't count, and also that claims should be ignored unless there's an actual witness (lol) or a phone or video recording.
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Translation:
"Maybe I shouldn't have written that 1991 autobiography the way I did ..." :o
 
Washington Post reports that the door lock button is standard in many of the older NBC offices.
 
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