Matt Crowley shoots down Bigfoot dermal ridges?

Nope, they can't even agree on that. There are reports of quadrupedalism in sasquatch. One them was covered in these threads somewhere. You may remember it. Sasquatch was jumping 45 feet on all fours.

Oh, yes, "bigfoot brings bacon home", or something like that...

Well, maybe that's what mid tarsal breaks are used for... Jumping. Bigfrog, frogfoot, whatever...

Read Krantz, meh!
 
While I do not own a female butt, I do enjoy looking at them, and there are a few points I must raise. First of all, human female butts are variable in size, as all humans know. Also, the bigger ones, those that could be compared in shape with Patty's, own their shape due to fat tissues. In other words, they usually belong to fat individuals. This is also valid for male humans. Fat tissue accumulation creates not just big bellys but also big butts.

Now, if Patty is a female bipedal hominid, its anatomy must be similar to ours, it must share a number of features with ours. Thus, that gorilla-like butt can not be due to a muscle disposition similar to the one found in gorillas, since gorillas are knuckle-walkers, and Patty walks just like a genus of bipedal primates adapted for long distance locomotions named Homo. So, the option left is that, assuming what's in PGF is not a bloke in a gorilla suit, Patty's butt size and shape is due to accumulation of fat tissue. Note that fat tissue is not muscle.

Well, animals in the nature, unless they are coming close to hibernation period or prepairing fo the winter, are not fat. Humans living confortable sedentary lives and eating at fast food chains become fat. Animals in the wild don't, since they have to spend a lot of energy to find food, for example. And even when accumulating fat for the winter, there is little localized fat such as what could account for Patty's butt. This is just another inconsistency in bigfeet's anatomy as inferred by investigators.


One word: Bears

Sasquatches evidently have a similar diet. It's good enough for them to gain on.

I don't think the butt looks especially fat. It looks muscular to me. To use your own argument, there's no way to know how much fat is on the butt without a dissection.
 
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Nope, they can't even agree on that. There are reports of quadrupedalism in sasquatch. One them was covered in these threads somewhere. You may remember it. Sasquatch was jumping 45 feet on all fours.

They're an habitual biped. With the IM index being what it is, dropping to all fours occassionally would be easier for them than for us.

I haven't seen that report, but it sounds as likely as 14' height estimates.

Who's this "they"?
 
You wasted a lot of time typing all of that..

Who, here, has calimed that Heironimus's story is indisputable.. I agree, a lot of it sounds fishy.

In case you haven't noticed,Heironimus's story is not what we are arguing here.

Guess what, proving Heironimus's story is false, doesn't make Patty real .. ( beyond a person in a costume )

Surely you know that .. Don't you ?

I didn't waste any time typing it all; I copied and pasted it. Knights is something of and authority on PGF history and this seemed like a good place to link to that review.

So if it's not Heironimus, it must be someone else, just as if the carved feet don't match it must be some other carved feet. Do you guys ever read your own arguments?

These "guy in a suit" arguments have been going on for decades. Heironimus has the best claim so far; at least he got a few gullible sceptics to buy it.

Will the real "guy in a suit" please stand up?
 
One word: Bears

Sasquatches evidently have a similar diet. It's good enough for them to gain on.

First of all I assume you typed this without thinking too much on the issue, since it is fairly obvious that bear and primates have a number of differences when it comes to anatomy.

Bears have big butts but last time I checked they were quadrupedal.

And you are basing in what reliable data to claim that bigfeet and bears "evidently have a similar diet"?

And have you also noticed that this claim creates a small problem? Bigfeet and bears have overlapping territories. Thus they are competing -assuming bigfeet are real. Thus one of them will either change habits or be extinct. Since bigfeet are around, according to bigfeet investigators since the last Ice Age, and nothing happened... And no, don´t even try to PNW on me, take a look at the bigfeet sighting distribution and compare with beer habitat.

And have you noticed that the claim that they are omnivorous is against the explanation for Patty´s headcrest? Yet another inconsistency in bigfeet anatomy.

I don't think the butt looks especially fat. It looks muscular to me. To use your own argument, there's no way to know how much fat is on the butt without a dissection.

You don´t think that´s a fat butt?
It looks muscular to you. It looks to footers that it has muscles.

And I´m glad you are starting to realize that without a corpse or a live speciment, all "carefull studies" on bigfeet anatomy of PGF are useless.

Not to mention that a dissection of Patty would shou a bloke inside the suit.
 
First of all I assume you typed this without thinking too much on the issue, since it is fairly obvious that bear and primates have a number of differences when it comes to anatomy.

Bears gain weight during the season and it's been shown they don't stay in deep hibernation all winter. It would be nice if you'd stop assuming.
Bears have big butts but last time I checked they were quadrupedal.
Standing Gorilla:

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And you are basing in what reliable data to claim that bigfeet and bears "evidently have a similar diet"?

There have been many reports of them feeding on everything from fish to Willow leaves, but since you dismiss all eyewitness accounts, I don't suppose that means anything to you. Titmus found Pine needles in scat in the winter and noted they seem to occur in areas where some sort of Pine is present. There have been logs found torn apart for the carpenter ants with no claw marks and scat with carpenter ants in it. Some of the piles would fill a bucket, BTW.
And have you also noticed that this claim creates a small problem? Bigfeet and bears have overlapping territories. Thus they are competing -assuming bigfeet are real. Thus one of them will either change habits or be extinct. Since bigfeet are around, according to bigfeet investigators since the last Ice Age, and nothing happened... And no, don´t even try to PNW on me, take a look at the bigfeet sighting distribution and compare with beer habitat.

Beer habitat? Isn't that mostly in taverns?
Seems there's some good evidence from some areas outside the PNW. As I've explained, I know more about the PNW than other areas and it has the best evidence, so far. It also seems to have the largest population. I don't see why you think it's biased for me to stick with what I know.

It's suggested that the mostly nocturnal lifestyle evolved to avoid competition with bears. Hasn't this been mentioned before?

Elk and deer share habitat and eat the same stuff, but neither seem to be in any danger of extinction.
And have you noticed that the claim that they are omnivorous is against the explanation for Patty´s headcrest? Yet another inconsistency in bigfeet anatomy.

The crest is evidently an adaptation for large chewing muscles, but it's been shown that Chimpanzees eat and relish meat when they can get it. Sagittal crests are associated with massive dentition and don't necessarily indicate an exclusively vegetarian diet.

"A. boisei, the East African robust form, is thought to have descended from A. aethiopicus. This species exhibits a hyper-robust morphology, with exaggerated features similar in kind to those of A. aethiopicus, but far greater in degree. The massive dentition is coupled with a sagittal crest; increased dishing of the face, or orthognathism, characterizes these forms. This reduction in postnasal facial projection probably came as a result of increased demands to combat masticatory forces. Specimens include OH 5 and KNM-ER 406, among others. Whereas earlier interpretations of their dental specialization offered dietary shifts (e.g., consuming a tougher, lower quality diet), recent analyses of dental microwear suggest that A. boisei incorporated a diverse range of foods in its diet."

http://www.wwnorton.com/college/anthro/bioanth/ch11/chap11.htm
You don´t think that´s a fat butt?
It looks muscular to you. It looks to footers that it has muscles.

"Footers"? Better than "Woos", I guess.

It doesn't look especially fat. She looks solid all over, but she may be heavier than the average female. She appears mature. It's been suggested she was recently pregnant. All-over weight gain is common in pregnancy. Ask any known bipedal hominid with children.
And I´m glad you are starting to realize that without a corpse or a live speciment, all "carefull studies" on bigfeet anatomy of PGF are useless.

Not to mention that a dissection of Patty would shou a bloke inside the suit.

It amazes me how you people will accept the most absurd rationalisations to support the hoax hypothesis rather than examining the evidence to see where it leads.

Real guys in suits, including Charlie Gemorra with Bela Lugosi. Short, wasn't he?

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http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?showtopic=7667&st=20
 
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I wasn't planning to reply to Parcher's "gerbil" post, but it earned a link from another board:

"Sometimes I just get so damn tired of debunkers and your basic "skeptibunkie."

Over on JREF (where else) http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?
s=&postid=1871068847#post1871068847

more of the same but the last post really got to me; this is a typical ploy by
these types,
where the 'bunkie tells the so-called "believer" that they find the "belief" in
BF (or UFOs,
ghosts, whatever) is more fascinating than the thing itself.

Then the 'bunkie begs the "believer" to stop posting because it's boring, a
waste of time,
etc.

and of course, for good measure, the bunkie tells the "believer" to stop hand
waving or, as
in this case, stop "flaing around like a possessed gerbil" ---

best of all though, is their continued insistence, under the guise of "critical
thinking," that
"no such thing as BF exists." "

Couldn't have said it better myself.
 
Couldn't have said it better myself.
No, you couldn't have.. No science. No addressing the actual question. Just strawmen and ad hom ..

Real guys in suits, including Charlie Gemorra with Bela Lugosi. Short, wasn't he?

Again, not addressing the issue. Doesn't prove the subject in Patterson film is more than a person in a suit.



30 Seconds of film 38 years ago, not a trace since. If the real creature can vanish without a trace, why not the costume?
 
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Bears gain weight during the season and it's been shown they don't stay in deep hibernation all winter. It would be nice if you'd stop assuming.

So, I should stop assuming but you and the footers can continue to assume and make wild baseless speculations and claims...

Standing Gorilla:

post-1-1098131371.jpg

What´s this supposed to prove? Gorillas do stand up sometimes, as do bears. But both species do not rely on bipedal locomotion for long distances.

There have been many reports of them feeding on everything from fish to Willow leaves, but since you dismiss all eyewitness accounts, I don't suppose that means anything to you. ...snip...

I will say again, If sighting reports were reliable evidence, then there are reliable evidence for UFOs and ghosts.

And last time I checked, I am not the only one who don´t trust this sort of "evidence".

Beer habitat? Isn't that mostly in taverns?

Add bars, pubs, restaurant and similar.

Seems there's some good evidence from some areas outside the PNW. As I've explained, I know more about the PNW than other areas and it has the best evidence, so far. It also seems to have the largest population. I don't see why you think it's biased for me to stick with what I know.

Because the species´ geographic range -assuming it exists- is much broader than PNW. Because within this area there is an environmental diversity larger than the one you claim to know. Because you can´t be sure that the largest bigfeet population (assuming they exist) is located at PNW. I could go on but I think that´s enough for now.

It's suggested that the mostly nocturnal lifestyle evolved to avoid competition with bears. Hasn't this been mentioned before?

It would be nice if you would stop assuming. :rolleyes:

Not to mention that the american black bear are also active at night.
http://wonderclub.com/Wildlife/mammals/american_black_bear.html
http://wildlife.state.co.us/Education/LivingWithWildlife/BearCountry.asp

Ever seen those videos of bears searching for food in cities at night?:p

Elk and deer share habitat and eat the same stuff, but neither seem to be in any danger of extinction.

Do they occupy the same ecological niche? Are you sure their feeding habits are the same? They feed on the very same types of plants?

The crest is evidently an adaptation for large chewing muscles, but it's been shown that Chimpanzees eat and relish meat when they can get it. Sagittal crests are associated with massive dentition and don't necessarily indicate an exclusively vegetarian diet.

"A. boisei, the East African robust form, is thought to have descended from A. aethiopicus. This species exhibits a hyper-robust morphology, with exaggerated features similar in kind to those of A. aethiopicus, but far greater in degree. The massive dentition is coupled with a sagittal crest; increased dishing of the face, or orthognathism, characterizes these forms. This reduction in postnasal facial projection probably came as a result of increased demands to combat masticatory forces. Specimens include OH 5 and KNM-ER 406, among others. Whereas earlier interpretations of their dental specialization offered dietary shifts (e.g., consuming a tougher, lower quality diet), recent analyses of dental microwear suggest that A. boisei incorporated a diverse range of foods in its diet."

http://www.wwnorton.com/college/anthro/bioanth/ch11/chap11.htm

Have bigfeet investigators managed to get any data on bigfeet´s teeth? Teeth cast?

If bigfeet -assuming they exist- share the same feeding profile as the larger australopithecines species - that may have not been completely vegetarian but feeded mostly on plants- they could have crests. However, the feeding profile of bigfeet -assuming they exist- inferred from very reliable evidence (that was sarcasm) that are sighting reports, includes a lot of non-plant material. Fish, hogs, rodents, bug larvae, etc. Thus, there is no need for such a large crest to sustain the large muscles needed for continuous chewing od plants to break down fibrae.

It doesn't look especially fat. She looks solid all over, but she may be heavier than the average female. She appears mature. It's been suggested she was recently pregnant. All-over weight gain is common in pregnancy. Ask any known bipedal hominid with children.

"Looks", "may", "appears" and "suggested". Sheer speculations to explain inconsistencies in Patty´s anatomy. That are easilly solved by admitting its just bloke in a suit.

It amazes me how you people will accept the most absurd rationalisations to support the hoax hypothesis rather than examining the evidence to see where it leads.

It amazes me the absurd speculations made by footers to support the hypothesis that Patty is not a bloke in a suit.

Real guys in suits, including Charlie Gemorra with Bela Lugosi. Short, wasn't he?

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http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?showtopic=7667&st=20

Check the two in the lower left corner. Look quite like Patty, heh? Specially the one standing besides Lee Major. A footer would see muscles in the bigfeet from the following pics: Second from left to right on the first three lines, and the first from left to right at the fourth line.

IM and torso/waist indexes are clearly non-human for these pictures, also. And I can see the toes on the feet of the creatures from the second pic from left to right (first line) and in those from the third and fourth pics (from left to right) of the last line. Who would bother making such level of detail?

No one could make such suits with current FX technology!:jaw-dropp
 
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Yes, crazy gerbils running on wheels no less! Nice to see that a gerbil noticed and responded to my posting.

Where is Bigfoot?
 
Have bigfeet investigators managed to get any data on bigfeet´s teeth? Teeth cast?

Yes they did. Bigfoot ate some fruit during the BFRO's Skookum expedition when the famous "butt print" was made. The chewed pieces of fruit were collected. There has been no further mention of that fruit, the teethmarks on it, or the DNA on it that I could ever find.
 

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