Materialism (championed by Darwinists) makes reason Impossible.

[Akhenaten]

They might have an effect on your mind but there is also the soul.

No there isn't.

That's just an ancient superstition.

Jesus 2000 years ago differentiated between the mind, the soul, and the heart. They are all different entiities.

What???

DOC, you do realise this is the 21st century, don't you?

He said you are to love God with all your heart, all your mind, and all your soul.

Have you given up your lame attempts to promote the bible as history in favour af making lame attempts to promote it as some kind of bizarro world medical text?

 

[Sideroxylon]

They might have an effect on your mind but there is also the soul. Jesus 2000 years ago differentiated between the mind, the soul, and the heart. They are all different entiities.

He said you are to love God with all your heart, all your mind, and all your soul.

How would you expect a world where souls existed to differ from one in which there are none? What I am getting at here is the question of how we might test for such a thing. Now as a theist you could argue that souls are a non physical entities that cannot be tested for - a non falsifiable hypothesis. This would be an idea with absolutely no utility. It would not allow us to develop any useful technology or successful treatments of mental conditions. And that would be fine. However, denial of successful materialistic explanations can only be achieved in ignorance of not only what we know, but also how we know it.

 

[Aepervius]

So then I would assume you believe that the source of all human emotion are chemical reactions of non-intelligent neurons.. For example when you are sad at the funeral of a parent. That grief emotion would be the sole result of non-intelligent chemical reactions in your brain according to your opinion.

Heck. Yes.

That does not make the loss less real. It is just not as magic as you think it is.

We even have study which linked the drop of some (pleasure?) hormone after 5 years being together for couple to the divorce peaks.

 

[Aepervius]

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Yes, I know a machine has a lot of parts but that is not what he saying.




So the statement just made after the word Sideroxylon above is a statement that was not made by a person with a soul. It was totally the result of non-inteligent chemical reactions and non-intelligent electrical impulses and not a soul.

That is fine I have no souls : I have a brain.

On the other hand if you want to buy it for money, my soul is existing and up for sale (who know maybe some sucker will bite). Delivery upon my natural death is on your own risk.

 

[Aepervius]

They might have an effect on your mind but there is also the soul. Jesus 2000 years ago differentiated between the mind, the soul, and the heart. They are all different entiities.

He said you are to love God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.

No Evidence. See those two word ? Well there is NO EVIDENCE for soul existing.

For once DOC, jsut for a few seconds, Just for ONE POST. Just for once. Only use fact for which there are scientific evidence. Forget the bible , forget what your faith on J is.

JUST. FOR. ONE. POST.

Sigh.

Pointless waste of time. I am off to play a MMO : my time is better used there (sic).

 

[Akhenaten]

That is fine I have no souls : I have a brain.

On the other hand if you want to buy it for money, my soul is existing and up for sale (who know maybe some sucker will bite). Delivery upon my natural death is on your own risk.

Is yours as pretty as mine?

 

[DOC]

That is fine I have no souls : I have a brain.

Does your brain like certain people and dislike certain people?

 

[Sideroxylon]

Does your brain like certain people and dislike certain people?

"I can't explain mind phenomena through materialistic means, therefore no one can."

 

[Akhenaten]

For once DOC, jsut for a few seconds, Just for ONE POST. Just for once. Only use fact for which there are scientific evidence. Forget the bible , forget what your faith on J is.

JUST. FOR. ONE. POST.

Does your brain like certain people and dislike certain people?

That would be "No" then, would it, DOC?

 

[Lowpro]

They might have an effect on your mind but there is also the soul. Jesus 2000 years ago differentiated between the mind, the soul, and the heart. They are all different entiities.

He said you are to love God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.

Oh, well HERE is the problem. It took what, 9 pages to get here?

DOC... Jesus...was full of it. He was about as enlightened to reality as a kumquat. He was David Koresh 2000+ years ago, that's all.

So do yourself a favor and ignore his "revelations" for a second and absorb this thread for awhile.

There is no soul, there is only a brain that makes you work. Not everyone works the same, and that's due to variations in the brain. Crazy people are crazy because their brain doesn't work, and what do you know, their perception of reality is actually different from yours.

No soul needed, just changes in the brain.

 

[Jeff Corey]

...DOC...There is no soul, there is only a brain that makes you work. Not everyone works the same, and that's due to variations in the brain. Crazy people are crazy because their brain doesn't work, and what do you know, their perception of reality is actually different from yours...

I wouldn't be too sure about that last part.

 

[joobz]

They might have an effect on your mind but there is also the soul.

there is no evidence for such a thing as a soul. There's more evidence for bigfoot than for a soul.

Jesus 2000 years ago differentiated between the mind, the soul, and the heart. They are all different entiities.

He said you are to love God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.

Jesus also condoned slavery, so you really can't believe everything he says.

 

[joobz]

Does your brain like certain people and dislike certain people?

Basically, yes. If you were to damage my brain in a certain way, you can alter my like/dislike for people. It's a scary thought but completely and totally true.
Medical science has verified this fact countless times.

 

[Akhenaten]

I wouldn't be too sure about that last part.

That was absolutely screaming out to be said.

 

[Lowpro]

I was too busy googling David Koresh because I wasn't sure if it had one 'r' or two =(

dammit.

 

[Dancing David]

About vestibular stimulation and Out-Of-Body experiences : http://www.frontiersin.org/human_neuroscience/10.3389/neuro.09.017.2008/full

that would be better had they actually produced an OOBE, I may have misread it.

http://lecerveau.mcgill.ca/flash/capsules/articles_pdf/Out-of-body experiences.pdf

Interesting, case study, needs followup.

about vestibular stimulation and God presence: http://holosuniversity.net/pdf/Clench_diss.pdf (attention, air head alert)

Not really a very good design, consclusions are iffy.

and NDE (near Death Experiences) http://www.newdualism.org/nde-online.html

tell me which one you want me to read.

I cannot seem to find the citation for the stimulation of vestibular cortex and the feeling of Presence of God but I go down to the beach with a textbook and hopefully come up with it. As I recall, right sided vestibular cortex stimulation gave an OBE and left sided the feeling of a Presence.

BUT cultural differences have been found. For instance the results Dr. Persinger obtained with 'God Helmet' in North America could not be reproduced in Sweden. Which probably indicates that the Swedes are not as sensible to placebo effect as the Americans.

I am not making this up. Dr. Persinger had even Richard Dawkins to go in his famous tube to get a religious feeling. The only thing he felt was a twitch in his right leg. This you can find on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_-txbHNyOY

Honestly, I do not have enough imagination to make up all of this.
The madness of people is beyond our comprehension.

I would want some better controls and metrics before drawing any conclusions.

 

[Dancing David]

So then I would assume you believe that the source of all human emotion are chemical reactions of non-intelligent neurons.. For example when you are sad at the funeral of a parent. That grief emotion would be the sole result of non-intelligent chemical reactions in your brain according to your opinion.

Yup.

Iltelligence is an emergent phenomena. Just as unitelligent chemicals preform digestion.

 

[Dancing David]

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Yes, I know a machine has a lot of parts but that is not what he saying.




So the statement just made after the word Sideroxylon above is a statement that was not made by a person with a soul. It was totally the result of non-inteligent chemical reactions and non-intelligent electrical impulses and not a soul.

Yup.

 

[Resume]

They might have an effect on your mind but there is also the soul. Jesus 2000 years ago differentiated between the mind, the soul, and the heart. They are all different entiities.

He said you are to love God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.

This is just more bs you have to defend, and your track record defending bs so far is piss-poor.

 

[yy2bggggs]

A very interesting way of looking at it, thanks. Are these your own ideas or can I read more elsewhere?

It's hard to say... the particular piece you quoted is my attempt to reverse engineer the brain. It's not made up whole cloth, though, but I'm not sure I've sat down and read someone describe this particular thing.

Perhaps this article on sense of control by Elisabeth Pacherie: http://philpapers.org/rec/PACTSO-2
...has a lot of central themes.