StewartP
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Yes. 20 years later, the things I remember from the seminar are not the religious ones. In fact I can't remember much of the religious stuff that was discussed. There was some stuff about wives submitting to their husbands, and how this was not necessarily a sign of weakness or subservience. (no I don't remeber the logic!!)
It would be good if when people apply for a wedding that the (Maire here in France) or the JP or whoever is in charge of the deal can offer some kind of councelling. People don't have to take it up, or see it as being talked out of what they are embarking on but more of a heads up that there is more to this thing than white dresses and cake.
Lothian
should be banned
Yes, I don’t believe I am better than or should have more say than anyone else based solely on my gender.
Lothian
should be banned
Sounds Like Mrs Huntster has a problem with her subjection. Have you considered stoning her ? Or is it only rebellious children that are stoned to death ?
You have no idea....................
No way!
Hell, she can probably throw stones farther, harder, and more accurately than I can.
She's damned sure a better shot, and I've seen her filet salmon............
I don't know. I certainly wouldn't stone my children to death under any circumstances (unless self defense). Wouldn't stone them at all, even by Bob Dylan's standards.
Would you?
Lothian
should be banned
Deuteronomy
21:18 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, who will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and, though they chasten him, will not listen to them;
21:19 then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out to the elders of his city, and to the gate of his place;
21:20 and they shall tell the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
21:21 All the men of his city shall stone him to death with stones:
Huntster given your claim that the bible offers "the best advice" to marriage life can you give any examples of that?
THE Bible. Are you saying that my quotes are NOT from THE Bible?
Ah. So you are prepared to allow that you don't adhere to YOUR guiding document, THE Bible, yourself, and yet you have the gall to lecture me on the benefits of married life as dictated by that very same document.
Have you spotted the problem yet? I guess that helmet IS too tight after all. Or else it's too loose and fallen over your eyes.
I see. No explanation, just blind obedience to "The Word". Just like the North Koreans are told to do.
Well, carry on! I'm sure we can find an adulteress in your neighbourhood you can stone...
I very much agree. For some people, there seems to be view that marriage completes after the wedding reception. But, like the birth of a child, that just marks the start of the journey. And marriage is a journey not to be undertaken lightly, church or no church.
We have been happily married 23 years this year, incidentally.
Has she got a false beard hidden in the back of the wardrobe?
Tell me, does she do all the washing, mending, shopping, and repair the car too? How about the lawn-mowing? Roof repairs?
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband. Eph 5:22-33
The will of God is that wives are subject to their husbands in the same way as wives must be subject to the Lord Jesus.
The will of God is also that men would love their wives in the same way as Christ loves the congregation. A Wife is very safe to be subject to such a husband who agrees to love his wife in the same way as Christ loves His congregation.
So both husband and wife must treat their spouse thus, that both respect and love one another. It is the will of God concerning married life of man and wife.
Beerina
Sarcastic Conqueror of Notions
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That's much more poetic than "Men are an angry abberation and a pox on the species", which is scientifically more accurate.
God set man as head of the family, and this means serving leadership. Jesus said: "If any man desires to be first, the same shall be last of all and servant of all". Being head of the family does not mean dictatorship, but it is serving and loving, and we love and serve other family members; this is the will of God.
It is also the will of God that the wife is subject to her husband. A wife must love and respect her husband. Subjection does not mean subjugation, but subjection as meant by God is that man, as the head of the family, loves his wife. The wife must be in the same way subjected to her husband as she must be subjected to the Lord Jesus. If a man loves his wife in the same way as the Lord Jesus loves His congregation, then this kind of subjection is safe for his wife. This subjection does not harm the wife; on the contrary, it is for her protection and safety.
A man must really love his wife and take into consideration the needs of his wife. As the Lord Jesus fills our needs and helps us in our lives to go forward, so too in the same way, man must function in relation to his wife.
It is also the will of God that the wife is subject to her husband. A wife must love and respect her husband. Subjection does not mean subjugation, but subjection as meant by God is that man, as the head of the family, loves his wife. The wife must be in the same way subjected to her husband as she must be subjected to the Lord Jesus. If a man loves his wife in the same way as the Lord Jesus loves His congregation, then this kind of subjection is safe for his wife. This subjection does not harm the wife; on the contrary, it is for her protection and safety.
A man must really love his wife and take into consideration the needs of his wife. As the Lord Jesus fills our needs and helps us in our lives to go forward, so too in the same way, man must function in relation to his wife.
bluess
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Oh for the love of Ed....
You need a manual to tell you to respect your partner and consider their needs?
Here, I'll sum up twenty years of experience for you and not once reference Jesus, Krishna, or any other god/goddess:
1. Be more courteous to your partner than you are to your boss.
2. Each of you give 75%.
3. Respect each other.
4. Laugh a lot. (This is what in-laws are for...)
See, wasn't that simple?
You need a manual to tell you to respect your partner and consider their needs?
Here, I'll sum up twenty years of experience for you and not once reference Jesus, Krishna, or any other god/goddess:
1. Be more courteous to your partner than you are to your boss.
2. Each of you give 75%.
3. Respect each other.
4. Laugh a lot. (This is what in-laws are for...)
See, wasn't that simple?