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You are complaining that complaining is useless.

Now you're just being argumentative. I'm not complaining, I'm asking a question and providing my opinion that your comments have no purpose. How is that complaining?
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Can you please just make sense once in awhile? I have no idea what your problem is now, but your comment that this wasn't terror because it didn't work is reminiscent of your recent snarky claims that boiling water is no big deal and can't kill someone. You live on a different planet, apparently.

And now, what? The press are running with scraps of info they receive? Holy ****, really? Well, that's a whole heck of a lot different than the way the press has behaved in every other "breaking news" scenario, ever!

Look, this isn't OJ Simpson bull ****. (And every network thought THAT fully worthy of around-the-clock coverage, as I clearly recall). There were multiple, similar bombs placed in East Coast cities all around the same time. The fact that the bulk didn't go off and no casualties resulted from the ones that did has no bearing on the seriousness of the situation. What, if someone shoots at you and misses, do you consider that person no longer a threat? Even if they're still at large and armed and pissed off at you? I just don't get your snarky little attitude. People have every right to discuss this. It might be a big deal of a near-miss. It certainly isn't nothing. You should be ashamed of the ignorance you so proudly display. I know you have nothing but contempt for the U.S., but that shouldn't matter here. Bombs are bombs. Civilians are civilians. Terrorists are terrorists. Get over whatever stick is up your ass and let people discuss this!

Bravo, sir, bravo

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CNN: (Pressure cooker bombs) "contained the homemade explosive hexamethylene triperoxide diamine, or HMTD, according to law enforcement officials. It is a highly unstable explosive similar to TATP, used in the 2005 London bombings."
 
I don't dislike America

I dislike stupid hyped media that people jump to conclusions from.

You've jumped to the most ridiculous conclusions, most of which were later contradicted by the facts, in thread after thread. There's a distinct difference between things you'd like to be true and things that actually are.
 
Thank you. I can't claim originality though; a journalist on the Dutch TV news made the point.

I heard another interesting point on one of the news channels: If you try to lump all these people into one general category of Islamic terrorists as if all of them are little soldiers following an ideology, you then ignore the actual factors that result in these lone wolf incidents.

Take these 4 incidents:

The Bakersfield couple - probably the most like the stereotype of a sleeper cell. Still the idiot attacked his workplace where he reportedly had an ongoing run-in with a Jewish coworker.

The Orlando shooting - this was a nut with an issue with gays, his father was a nut, not exactly a sleeper cell scenario.

The NY and NJ bomber - this guy has issues all over the place with the neighbors, authorities, his father, his wife and his bombs and actions were more amateurish than those of a dedicated soldier of Islam.

The stabber in MN - it's not yet clear. Reports are he was happy, he was acting strange, there is new racial tension in the area, especially with the current election. There are other young men in the community that went to become jihadists. He was 22. Schizophrenia, depression, religious warrior, who knows at this point.

The bottom line: if you treat all these cases as one homogenous terrorist thing, you will be very ineffective at intervening in the next one. Yes, they are no doubt being influenced by the social media, ISIS et al propaganda. But at the same time there may be few similarities beyond that.
 
Here is just one sampling of the rhetoric I talk about.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/conte...eport-them-if-family-member-engages-terrorism

Stripping entire families of citizenship because of the action of one person? Does this remind us of something? Something that ultimately led to genocide?

In this case the father actually warned the FBI about his son 2 years ago:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/21/nyregion/ahmad-khan-rahami-suspect.html?_r=0

Federal agents first became aware of Mr. Rahami two years ago, when his father shared with them his concerns that his son might be involved in terrorism.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation, which had been notified about Mr. Rahami by the local police after a domestic dispute involving the family, said in a statement that it checked its databases, contacted other agencies and conducted interviews. But the agency’s review did not turn up anything that warranted further inquiry, and the review was closed.
The authorities are scrutinizing a number of trips Mr. Rahami made overseas, particularly several to Pakistan. In May 2011, he made a three-month trip to Quetta, according to law enforcement officials, citing Customs and Border Protection records. Then, in April 2013, he made another trip to Quetta and did not return until March 2014, according to information provided to federal customs authorities by the New York City police.

His wife, who left the country days before the bombing, is currently in the United Arab Emirates, where she provided a statement to the F.B.I., according to officials.

The authorities are working to bring her back into the country as soon as possible.
 
I heard another interesting point on one of the news channels: If you try to lump all these people into one general category of Islamic terrorists as if all of them are little soldiers following an ideology, you then ignore the actual factors that result in these lone wolf incidents.

Take these 4 incidents:

The Bakersfield couple - probably the most like the stereotype of a sleeper cell. Still the idiot attacked his workplace where he reportedly had an ongoing run-in with a Jewish coworker.

The Orlando shooting - this was a nut with an issue with gays, his father was a nut, not exactly a sleeper cell scenario.

The NY and NJ bomber - this guy has issues all over the place with the neighbors, authorities, his father, his wife and his bombs and actions were more amateurish than those of a dedicated soldier of Islam.

The stabber in MN - it's not yet clear. Reports are he was happy, he was acting strange, there is new racial tension in the area, especially with the current election. There are other young men in the community that went to become jihadists. He was 22. Schizophrenia, depression, religious warrior, who knows at this point.

The bottom line: if you treat all these cases as one homogenous terrorist thing, you will be very ineffective at intervening in the next one. Yes, they are no doubt being influenced by the social media, ISIS et al propaganda. But at the same time there may be few similarities beyond that.
I think you meant to say "San Bernardino" instead of "Bakersfield"?

Yes, I agree. And it's very, very hard for police and intelligence services to find these guys and intervene before they go haywire. For one thing, they haven't done anything wrong yet, and for another, there's easy access to guns in the USA.

As far as the mentally troubled, well, it's only a democratization of violence. You already had mentally troubled who happened to be Christian (or Jewish, or atheist, or whatever) who went on a shooting spree. Now you also have mentally troubled who happen to be Muslim. More likely, you had them all along but the press wasn't interested in their religion because it wasn't yet an issue.

And as far as the ideologically motivated, you already had the militia-types and the white supremacists and the like - who are, in fact, organized. Not much news under the sun when you also have Islamist motivated terrorists.

Sorry if that sounds harsh, but these incidents don't sound to me like more than noise on the level of violence that is present in the USA. (no please, no gun debates!)

The upside is that a lone wolf can only do a limited amount of damage, while an organized group can do exponentially more damage through planning. There hasn't been, AFAIK, an organized terrorist attack in the USA since 9/11 - and that one wasn't home-grown, but perpetrated by foreigners. So either there simply aren't home-grown Islamist cells in the USA, or the FBI and other three-letter-agencies are doing a fine job of monitoring them and nipping them in the bud.
 

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