Mancow got waterboarded

Undesired Walrus said:
Possibly. As it is said, it doesn't simulate drowning, you are being drowned.

KSM has consistently wished to be executed for several years now, so the incredible amount of time he endured this torture makes sense.
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Torture and execution are not comparable.

Your fantasy about KSM makes no sense whatsoever.
 
soylent said:
That was freaking sad. He couldn't have run out of air in 4-5 seconds, he just got some water up his nose.
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That's exactly what waterboarding is. They're pouring water into his airway.

I don't think Hitchens lasted any longer that 5 seconds either.

In swimming and such, I've only experienced water in my airway for a matter of maybe small fraction of a second, and I know it triggers a massive panic reaction.

Evolution explains this nicely.

In our ancestral population, those who took water in the airway calmly and didn't react promptly and pretty extremely didn't live to reproduce nearly as often as those who did.
 
Still waiting for that hypocrite Hannity to have a go of it. All of these torture cheerleaders are abject moral failures (and those who are constant espousers of America having lost it's "sense of morals," I might add) and repugnant excuses for human beings.

Torture does not work (at least not to to the extent that a douchebag like Dickless "six deferments" Cheney would have you believe). Torture is illegal (if it were legal, all the "torture memos" would not have been necessary). Torture is wrong. The ticking time-bomb scenario is implausible and Hollywood. There are other methods that work far better that do not require terrorizing, humiliating or dehumanizing those from whom you would like to extract information.
 
I would add that Stalag 17, a movie and play that involves German torture and maltreatment in POW camps, will live in high school plays into the 22nd century. I cringe to think that we need only wait until the equivalent about US waterboarding gets written.
 
JihadJane said:
Torture and execution are not comparable.

Your fantasy about KSM makes no sense whatsoever.
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You can die from being drowned. KSM has also frequently expressed his wish to be killed. He also -allegedly- sustained the torture for an incredible amount of time.

How does that not make sense?
 
Undesired Walrus said:
You can die from being drowned. KSM has also frequently expressed his wish to be killed. He also -allegedly- sustained the torture for an incredible amount of time.

How does that not make sense?
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Excecution is a quick death. Torture is prolonged agony and, usually, designed not to be fatal.

As you imply, we don't know that KSM "sustained the torture for an incredible amount of time". That's just what we have been told.
 
Humane execution is intended to be quick and reasonably painless. There are many ways to execute someone. The Catherine wheel, crucifixion, drawing and quartering, burning, and so many other methods, were all intended to kill someone as agonisingly as possible.
 
Sir Robin Goodfellow said:
Humane execution is intended to be quick and reasonably painless. There are many ways to execute someone. The Catherine wheel, crucifixion, drawing and quartering, burning, and so many other methods, were all intended to kill someone as agonisingly as possible.
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True enough, if any form of execution can be called humane. We can hope only that the USA won't be seeking to reintroduce these methods into its armory quite yet.
 
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It really makes a huge difference if you're the prisoner:

Imagine it. You've been arrested. Probably, violence has occurred, and will continue to occur. They're treating you roughly, and with anger.

You're knocked around, strapped to a board, and water is being poured over your face and in your mouth until you can hardly gasp a breath for the choking.

IMO, and certainly this is only an opinion, waterboarding a guy over a hundred times, it's just being done for the enjoyment of causing someone misery, and the idea that a prisoner is going to tell you anything useful after a six-a-day torture session is ridiculous. I'm sure the powers that were made it clear through the chain that they wanted KSM to be absolutely dehumanized.

After twenty times, "Well, he surely must have told us everything he knows."

After fifty times, "Well, surely..."

After eighty... why did they ever stop? How did they finally decide that he wasn't going to say what was wanted?

People react so personally to this because KSM was involved with 9/11... but I point out that more Americans are killed every day because they're too effing fat, or have smoked too long, or drive poorly, or drunk, etc.
 
Oliver said:
Is it just me or is it a joke that he couldn't take it more than 4-5 seconds?
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Maybe because he almost drowned as a child the sensation of drowning was harder to resist.

Makes you think about what a horrible death drowning must be (although not the worst kind). Drowning at least can't last longer than a minute or two before you lose consciousness.
 
Magnifico2.0 said:
It really makes a huge difference if you're the prisoner:

Imagine it. You've been arrested. Probably, violence has occurred, and will continue to occur. They're treating you roughly, and with anger.

You're knocked around, strapped to a board, and water is being poured over your face and in your mouth until you can hardly gasp a breath for the choking.

IMO, and certainly this is only an opinion, waterboarding a guy over a hundred times, it's just being done for the enjoyment of causing someone misery, and the idea that a prisoner is going to tell you anything useful after a six-a-day torture session is ridiculous. I'm sure the powers that were made it clear through the chain that they wanted KSM to be absolutely dehumanized.

After twenty times, "Well, he surely must have told us everything he knows."

After fifty times, "Well, surely..."

After eighty... why did they ever stop? How did they finally decide that he wasn't going to say what was wanted?

People react so personally to this because KSM was involved with 9/11... but I point out that more Americans are killed every day because they're too effing fat, or have smoked too long, or drive poorly, or drunk, etc.
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Do you feel sorry for KSM? Do you think he suffered more than the suffering he caused?
 
Cleon said:
I just want to take a moment and say that the title of this thread amuses me more than it probably should.
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As someone who has listened to a Mancow show, I was disappointed it happened voluntarily. :p
 
Undesired Walrus said:
You can die from being waterboarded.
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How does desiring to be executed, a "humane", quick death, allow one to override an autonomic, anti-drowning reflex?

Have you never read about people saying they'd rather die than be tortured again?
 
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