Man, Alec Jones Is Not Even Hiding It..

[abenja1]

I for one think he is, even though he probably doesn't even know it.

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. The fact that he freely criticizes everything about Israel and refuses to comment on other injustices makes him highly suspect.

 

[mrbaracuda]

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. The fact that he freely criticizes everything about Israel and refuses to comment on other injustices makes him highly suspect.

Yea, it's hard to tell. This one just reeks of it in my opinion, and his behaviour adds to that. Some, maybe him as well, just suck up the propaganda and live on as an ideologue and "anti-Zionist" (which is, with the reality on the ground we have, pretty disgusting as well, since what do anti-Zionist want anyway?).

 

[Tin Foil Timothy]

I for one think he is, even though he probably doesn't even know it.

Don't be silly. How can I not know whether I dislike people for being Jewish or not?

Anyway I couldn't a flying **** whether you think I'm anti-semitic or not. I know I'm not racist and that's all that counts.

Although your comment above has such a low IQ it reeks of trolling.

 

[mrbaracuda]

Don't be silly. How can I not know whether I dislike people for being Jewish or not?

I leave that to you to figure out.

Anyway I couldn't a flying **** whether you think I'm anti-semitic or not. I know I'm not racist and that's all that counts.

Although your comment above has such a low IQ it reeks of trolling.

Look who's "deflecting" now!

 

[Tin Foil Timothy]

I leave that to you to figure out.

Don't be ridiculous. Your statement made no sense and that's why you can't answer it.

 

[abenja1]

You're fabricating that assertion with no basis. I've told you twice probably three times now, I'm not telling you again.


I think you're defending Israel's crimes because you think they are OK. You denied the collective punishment of the Palestinians because you think it's OK to treat them that way didn't you? You try to defend the crimes of Israel by stating that because someone is not criticizing all the other injustices in the world they are possibly anti-semitic. You wouldn't ask anyone criticizing Darfur if they criticized other injustices but if someone criticizes Israel they are immediately 'suspicious'

Not once have you criticizes the crimes of Israel therefoe I can only assume you agree with them.

I'm coming up with that asserition because you refuse my question. You want to talk about displacing indigenious people, some tribes were wiped out completely, and the many now have been relegated to reservations. Mr. Tin Foil Timothy Who Speaks Out Against All Justives I think you are not. It's only Israel that is evil. And I know it's not an assertion. If you had negative feelings toward what the Euro settlers did, you would've said it. But you didn't and won't. And if you've read my post... you know reading... they teach it to you in school, that I've defended Israel as a country and have made no comment on their actions. And your idea of collective punishment is much more different than mine (ie. I believe all kinds of groups can perform collective punishments. In your own secluded world, only Israel can do collective punihsment.) Once again that is called is hypocrisy. Selectively choosing injustices over others. That's a sad thing to do.

 

[Tin Foil Timothy]

I'm coming up with that asserition because you refuse my question. You want to talk about displacing indigenious people, some tribes were wiped out completely, and the many now have been relegated to reservations. Mr. Tin Foil Timothy Who Speaks Out Against All Justives I think you are not. It's only Israel that is evil. And I know it's not an assertion. If you had negative feelings toward what the Euro settlers did, you would've said it. But you didn't and won't. And if you've read my post... you know reading... they teach it to you in school, that I've defended Israel as a country and have made no comment on their actions. And your idea of collective punishment is much more different than mine (ie. I believe all kinds of groups can perform collective punishments. In your own secluded world, only Israel can do collective punishment.) Once again that is called is hypocrisy. Selectively choosing injustices over others. That's a sad thing to do.

You're making a grave mistake by assuming that just because if focusing on one particular injustice at once that they regard other injustice as OK.

You are putting words in my mouth by stating that I think other injustices are OK.

No I'm not speaking out against all injustices at this time, I am speaking out against the injustices of Israel. but does that mean I don't care about other injustices or worse think they are OK? No of course it doesn't.

(notwithstanding going off the original topic ) This discussion is about Israel and that is what I'm focusing upon.

Yes you are right, My idea of collective punishment is different to yours. Unlike you my idea of collective punishment isn't just restricted to ovens, gassings, executions, etc. And unlike you I also know why Israel was created and it wasn't because of the holocaust. Although that horrendous crime did help push the agenda forward.

Your rhetoric is now a waste of time. I'm not going to travel around in endless circles trying to explain my position to someone who has dug their heels in to an illogical conclusion because they want to defend the crimes of Israel.

FWIW I highly condemn not only the wiping out of indigenous people in North America but also the decimation of the culture and slaughter of the many peoples of South America by the awful entity called Catholicism.

But in this thread I am condemning the crimes of Israel. And let's make one thing clear if nothing else. This has nothing to do with the innocent Israeli citizens who like the innocent Palestinians citizens just want to live in peace. It's a condemnation of the people who have power in Israel. They are the one's driving the expansionism and collective punishments.

And lastly. I hope you become an impartial journalist and a journalist that doesn't lie by omission. A difficult task in this day and age I know. Especially when one values their pay check.

 

[Trojan_Jockey]

Yea, it's hard to tell. This one just reeks of it in my opinion, and his behaviour adds to that. Some, maybe him as well, just suck up the propaganda and live on as an ideologue and "anti-Zionist" (which is, with the reality on the ground we have, pretty disgusting as well, since what do anti-Zionist want anyway?).

I have to agree with you here. I don't think TFT thinks of himself an an antisemite at all. But as with all CTs and troothers, a desperation to find simplistic explanations for the problems in the world, and a desperate need to believe that "they" are in control of everything that happens, leads one to embrace any radical "non-conformist" idea.

So with Zionsim being at the centre of so many CT's, it does not matter if the anti-Israeli propoganda comes from neo-Nazis, Radical Islamists or the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. They don't care. It sounds right, and that's all that matters. Most don't have the analytical skills to differentiate between sources, instead they'll fling around "appeal to authority" if you raise this issue.

There is a certain desperation in CT's not to appear stupid, and in that there is an eagerness to dismiss "official" sources as being for the gullible. The web is a bastion of political extremism, therefore it is full of information to fund every paranoia. No wonder they claim the truth is on the internet, and not in the mainstream media.

 

[mrbaracuda]

Don't be ridiculous. Your statement made no sense and that's why you can't answer it.

Oh, I've seen this before. It certainly isn't ridiculous.

 

[Tin Foil Timothy]

I have to agree with you here. I don't think TFT thinks of himself an an antisemite at all. But as with all CTs and troothers, a desperation to find simplistic explanations for the problems in the world, and a desperate need to believe that "they" are in control of everything that happens, leads one to embrace any radical "non-conformist" idea.

So with Zionsim being at the centre of so many CT's, it does not matter if the anti-Israeli propoganda comes from neo-Nazis, Radical Islamists or the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. They don't care. It sounds right, and that's all that matters. Most don't have the analytical skills to differentiate between sources, instead they'll fling around "appeal to authority" if you raise this issue.

There is a certain desperation in CT's not to appear stupid, and in that there is an eagerness to dismiss "official" sources as being for the gullible. The web is a bastion of political extremism, therefore it is full of information to fund every paranoia. No wonder they claim the truth is on the internet, and not in the mainstream media.

As a new thread has been created this is the last I shall say on the subject here, but what the hell as CT, troother, anti-Israeli propaganda, neo-Nazis, Radical Islamists or the Protocols of the Elders of Zion got to do with this?

This is about the Israel/Palestine conflict. So why are you ranting about alleged psychological issues of CTers. Are you some kind of pre-programmed bot?

 

[Trojan_Jockey]

As a new thread has been created this is the last I shall say on the subject here, but what the hell as CT, troother, anti-Israeli propaganda, neo-Nazis, Radical Islamists or the Protocols of the Elders of Zion got to do with this?

This is about the Israel/Palestine conflict. So why are you ranting about alleged psychological issues of CTers. Are you some kind of pre-programmed bot?

No it isn't. This thread is about Alex Jones, a big time CTer and troother, and whether he is or is not expressing antisemitism in his anti-Zionist rhetoric.



Do you want to try calling me weird again, if that helps?

 

[Tin Foil Timothy]

No it isn't. This thread is about Alex Jones, a big time CTer and troother, and whether he is or is not expressing antisemitism in his anti-Zionist rhetoric.

BS

You know very well that my discussion in here is about the Israel/Palestinian issues and was off topic. You wasn't replying to the Alex jones issues you were replying to meand my criticisms of Israel. Whidh has nothing to do with CT and troothers.

 

[Without Rights]

u should avoid calling people a liar. someone, like me, might decide to report you for name calling.

attack the argument..not the arguer.

anyways, i have to agree. i dont think Alex has replaced NWO with Zionist...just yet..anyways.

For one, I did attack the argument. And liar is too harsh for you? o.k buddy sorry. I meant he is a person who is lying. Is that better? Or maybe he is the type that will see fault if AJ said the sky was blue, or flowers are pretty. Does that deserve a citation Mr sensitive?

Please keep in mind the Membership Agreement and do not use personal attacks to argue your point.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Lisa Simpson

 

[Without Rights]

http://infowars.net/articles/february2008/040208NeoCON.htm

"The Jewish neocon Michael Ledeen, in his recent book, The War Against The Terror Masters, goes right for the jugular. He shows not hesitation in manifesting the venom of his Jewish arrogance and the Jewish neocon agenda to create a Jewish New World Order:"




I await your apology to dudalb.

I am afraid I can't apologize for that one.

Did you watch the video? Do you understand the context of the paragraph you quoted.

If I, a white male made a video declaring that the whites are supreme and will take the world over, you might say that I am an arrogant Caucasian who shows no remorse for his sick white supremest views.

Same thing, no different.

This Michael Ledeen guy is exactly that. He thinks the Jews are supreme and are going to take over the world. He is a Jewish racist. He is arrogant and he wants Jews to rule the world. It is not anti-semitic to call a racist a racist.

 

[moon1969]

Do you deny that Maxim Litvinov was a jew? It is still a fact that many communist leaders were jews.

 

[Dubbi]

Do you deny that Maxim Litvinov was a jew? It is still a fact that many communist leaders were jews.

Do you deny that the Three Stooges were Jews? It is still a fact that many top comedians were Jews. Wait, I'm not making a point? That's funny.

 

[1337m4n]

If I, a white male made a video declaring that the whites are supreme and will take the world over, you might say that I am an arrogant Caucasian who shows no remorse for his sick white supremest views.

Same thing, no different.

Wrong. The author of the article did not say "arrogant Jew", he said "Jewish arrogance". Basic rule of grammar suggests that the meaning of such a phrase is that one's arrogance is purely an effect of one's being Jewish. That is a racist thing to say.

"Arrogant Jew" = a Jew who is arrogant. But that is not what the article said. It clearly said "Jewish arrogance", not "arrogant Jew". "Jewish arrogance" = arrogance as a function of being Jewish--a racist phrase since one's race has nothing whatsoever to do with one's level of arrogance.

Reading comprehension does not appear to be your strong suit.

This Michael Ledeen guy is exactly that. He thinks the Jews are supreme and are going to take over the world.

I challenge you to provide a direct, in-context quote from Ledeen which clearly indicates such a thing.

Did you watch the video?

That would be most difficult, as the video has been removed "due to Terms of Use violation".

 

[MaGZ]

Are you denying that Boris Berezovsky was the richest man in Russia when Boris Yeltsin was president? How many russian oligarchs are jews?

"The Jewish Oligarchs (10 of 11 of the most powerful were Jews) grabbed control of at least 65 percent of the wealth of Russia."

http://home.alphalink.com.au/~radnat/austindependence/putin-duke.html

 

[moon1969]

There are alot of jews in power. Do you deny that jew Henry Kissinger did bad things? Boris Berezovsky robbed Russia and Lazar Kaganovich destroyed Ukraine.

 

[Thunder]

Moon- you are already talking about the Holodomor in another thread. Is that all you can talk about?