Czarcasm
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Sorry, duplicate post.
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Major Homeopathy Test about to be conducted in Greece?
- Thread starter Ray T.
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I would also like to know Ray's sources but on the other hand I have to point out that JREF actually ought to spend their time clarifying this issue since they have been posting wrong information since March (which was corrected only 2days ago).
JREF should update us on what is going on regardless of what Ray says.
Gravy
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JREF staff. As my post indicated, they are out of the loop and you'll need to contact Mr. Randi if you want to know more.
Czarcasm:
On the 6th of October some guy Ray posts the OP of this thread in the JREF forum referencing a SWIFT article.
On the 7th of October a correction appears in a SWIFT article on the exact same subject matter, which was authored 7 months prior to this date.
This presents us with two possibilities:
1. The events are related
2. The events are unrelated
3. The events are neither related nor unrelated
Tactfully ignoring the scary third option which would throw our entire frame of thought into question (zen monks reading this, please stop laughing, this aint funny around here), we conclude that the events are either related or not.
If they are related, then it appears that Ray may, after all, not pulling all this out of his rear end, and is apparently a competent clairvoyant (and half-way through completing his application for the MDC)
If they are unrelated, that was quite a bit of a concidence.
On the 6th of October some guy Ray posts the OP of this thread in the JREF forum referencing a SWIFT article.
On the 7th of October a correction appears in a SWIFT article on the exact same subject matter, which was authored 7 months prior to this date.
This presents us with two possibilities:
1. The events are related
2. The events are unrelated
3. The events are neither related nor unrelated
Tactfully ignoring the scary third option which would throw our entire frame of thought into question (zen monks reading this, please stop laughing, this aint funny around here), we conclude that the events are either related or not.
If they are related, then it appears that Ray may, after all, not pulling all this out of his rear end, and is apparently a competent clairvoyant (and half-way through completing his application for the MDC)
If they are unrelated, that was quite a bit of a concidence.
Czarcasm
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All hail he who makes JREF jump at a moment's notice, the great and powerful Ray T.!!
Now that we've got that out of the way...what is the source for your story?
If I didn't know you better I would have thought you were being sarcastic
Of course I don't think the JREF would have cared much about what I would have to say whether valid or not. In fact I don't think that the JREF would care much about anything outside its own agenda, but that is a personal opinion and you wouldn't care about it, as I clearly would not care whether you want to know my source or not.
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Czarcasm
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But you we so nice and cooperative when you started this thread-you even posted a smiley face! But now we know the only "agenda" here, to cast accusations without valid evidence in an attempt to smear JREF, is yours.
There are no outside "credible sources" for your story, are there?
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Czarcasm
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Maybe so, but some of us would also like to know whether this is an honest request for information, or just another atttempt at smearing JREF with made-up rumors. If the original source could be revealed while we wait for JREF to respond(and I do hope you understand why such a response cannot be instantanious), people's doubts as to the purpose of this inquiry could be instantly alieved.
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I understand your point but I don't see why someone would like to create a thread with non-existing information just to harm the JREF. I suppose there must be other more sufficient ways to harm the reputation of JREF and I don't think that this is the purpose Ray opened this thread. At the end of the day he did send an e-mail to them right from the beginning of this forum.
I don't want to be pushy about revealing information, I'm just waiting time to shed some light.
I don't want to be pushy about revealing information, I'm just waiting time to shed some light.
But that's the whole problem. It's not at all obvious that he heard it from somewhere. And the more he dodges the issue and refuses to say where he heard it, the more it seems likely that he didn't actually hear it at all. Maybe he did hear it. Maybe he just made it up himself. Maybe he's actually involved but is embarrassed to admit it for some reason. Unless he actually tells us something instead of making vague insinuations, there's really no reason for us to take anything he says seriously.
As for the JREF clarifying matters, I see no reason why they should know any more than the rest of us. Despite some apparent miscommunication, it's clear that the negotiations broke down and the JREF left the matter with the homeopaths. If said homeopaths have not acutally communicated with the JREF to tell them that they have now found a venue for a test, the JREF will not magically know about it. And looking a thow things have happened before, if the homeopaths do tell the JREF they are ready, the JREF will happily announce it on their website straight away.
So all we are left with is a claim that someone might be almost ready to start negotiations again, but no evidence that they have told the JREF they are ready, and in fact no evidene that they actually are ready at all. As the one making the claims, Ray T. is the one who needs to back them up, and assuming he's actually telling the truth, that should be very easy to do. Two pages of dodging and evasiveness is not getting my hopes up, especially when the relevant information should have been in the first post.
It's possible your post is directly related to the correction.
It's also possible your source contacted the JREF recently with the same information, and thus they corrected it.
It's also possible your source is Randi himself, who had just discovered this information somehow, and naturally corrected himself at the same time he told you.
It's also possible that your source is Xenuraja from Rigel Six that contacts you through telepathy and is able to use advanced technology to change SWIFT articles to print corrections he feels are appropriate.
Or the events could be unrelated.
But skeptics tend not to speculate with any certainty when others present know more than they do (such as, the source of your information). So forgive us if we choose not to decide which is most likely until more is known.
Cuddles:
I don't see where's the problem with the JREF confirming what you say? they have received an e-mail already and they should reply. In addition, you keep forgetting the reason why they HAVE TO reply: simply because they did post information which was confusing. So the best is to post the facts and make Ray sh**t up.
Czarcasm:
I read randi's article few months ago and thought that this experiment won't take place because it was abandoned (as many others have been), now i learn that this is not the case according to the correction made.
I don't know what has happened, who is right or wrong, I don't care what is the source of Ray, or if Ray is contacting Xenuraja from Rigel Six, or if Ray is telepathetic himself...
What I think is most appropriate here is JREF to post a short answer such as:
1.yes the experiment is going to take place
2.no the experiment will not take place or,
3.no news from the homeopaths since march
and clear all this confusion.
is it SO difficult or time consuming to write a scentence? at the end of the day they have received this question through e-mail.
Why so silent?
I don't see where's the problem with the JREF confirming what you say? they have received an e-mail already and they should reply. In addition, you keep forgetting the reason why they HAVE TO reply: simply because they did post information which was confusing. So the best is to post the facts and make Ray sh**t up.
Czarcasm:
I read randi's article few months ago and thought that this experiment won't take place because it was abandoned (as many others have been), now i learn that this is not the case according to the correction made.
I don't know what has happened, who is right or wrong, I don't care what is the source of Ray, or if Ray is contacting Xenuraja from Rigel Six, or if Ray is telepathetic himself...
What I think is most appropriate here is JREF to post a short answer such as:
1.yes the experiment is going to take place
2.no the experiment will not take place or,
3.no news from the homeopaths since march
and clear all this confusion.
is it SO difficult or time consuming to write a scentence? at the end of the day they have received this question through e-mail.
Why so silent?
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Czarcasm
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If you have a problem with JREF's response time, take it up with JREF via email, o.k.? My concern is with the spreading of anonymous malicious rumors on this message board, which has been a problem in the past, whether you want to believe it or not.
I understand your concern and I have no reason not to believe that there have been problems in the past. However I don't have the feeling that Ray has malicious intentions but only that he's quite obstinate in not revealing his sources. Even if he is having bad intentions, again it's only the JREF who can put him in his place, otherwise there are doubts created especially after JREF corrected the article (which means that indeed there was some wrong information).
My problem is JREF's silence. We're not in a random forum asking them to interfere. We're in the forum of JREF site and since they've taken the e-mail and probably had a look in the forum they should simply reply and wipe the rubbish away. and when this happens we will have enough evidence to sink Ray in big depth.
Does this sound reasonable only to me?
My problem is JREF's silence. We're not in a random forum asking them to interfere. We're in the forum of JREF site and since they've taken the e-mail and probably had a look in the forum they should simply reply and wipe the rubbish away. and when this happens we will have enough evidence to sink Ray in big depth.
Does this sound reasonable only to me?
chillzero
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How do you know what the JREF have done? They aren't filled with unlimited resources of staff. Just stop, and wait.
I'd suggest we all stop posting in this thread until an answer is received (in it's own good time) and then we will also know whether the thread should remain here in MDC, or be moved to Paranormal.
I'd suggest we all stop posting in this thread until an answer is received (in it's own good time) and then we will also know whether the thread should remain here in MDC, or be moved to Paranormal.
I don't know what they have done, I know what they haven't done, which is giving us some facts.
It's not a wine, waiting for it to ripe 'in its own good time', it's just a scentence which as far as i know it usually takes less than one day to be written.
however, i agree with chillzero that we can all wait.... for a couple of days....
It's not a wine, waiting for it to ripe 'in its own good time', it's just a scentence which as far as i know it usually takes less than one day to be written.
however, i agree with chillzero that we can all wait.... for a couple of days....