Merged Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is /Born Jewish!

[Cleon]

Cleon, not everyone in the world makes the fine distinctions you are making, drawing discrete boundaries between culture, race, ethnicity, nation, and religion. It is quite recent, as a phenomenon, that nation/religion/race/and cluture weren't all bound together habitually in the descriptives being used here. You are applying an Amero-centric template to the PoV and rhetoric of Persians. I am not convinced that is the best way to look at it.

I understand where you are coming from, being American myself.

And this has what to do with Ahmadinejad's ancestry, exactly?

Iran has no equivalent of the Nuremberg laws; they don't identify who is "Jewish" based on their ancestry. So whether Ahmadinejad has Jewish ancestry or not is basically irrelevant trivia. That's my only point.

 

[Thunder]

My god.. I can't stand this witch hunting bullcrap..

I'm anti-zionist... My father is a christian-zionist.. I can't stand his positions on Israel.. I don't hate "THE JEWS".. The same goes for a great deal of people that are anti-zion. Hate to break it to you, but you don't have to "hate jews" just to dislike the occupation that is Israel. Don't you think it's a bit ironic that you point fingers and accuse people of bigotry when you, yourself are practicing it?

I was talking about Alex Jones, not you. Get a grip.

 

[Thunder]

Your point is not much of a point, really. Jews are discriminated against in Iran based on being Jewish.

Just as Arabs are discriminated against in Israel based on being Arabs.

 

[Darth Rotor]

Iran has no equivalent of the Nuremberg laws; they don't identify who is "Jewish" based on their ancestry. So whether Ahmadinejad has Jewish ancestry or not is basically irrelevant trivia. That's my only point.

I see, is my accord to be ignored? What is it you want, an Element?

 

[Cleon]

I see, is my accord to be ignored? What is it you want, an Element?

Sorry, Marc's (or Kenneth's, or whatever the **** his name is) blatant dishonesty has me slightly irritated.

 

[Darth Rotor]

Sorry, Marc's (or Kenneth's, or whatever the **** his name is) blatant dishonesty has me slightly irritated.

It's all good, I am off to Shicklgruber Motors to buy a Persian Spec S2000.

 

[Cleon]

It's all good, I am off to Shicklgruber Motors to buy a Persian Spec S2000.

 

[Marc39]

Sorry, Marc's (or Kenneth's, or whatever the **** his name is) blatant dishonesty has me slightly irritated.

I'm blatantly honest, so, you must be referring to Kenneth.

 

[Cleon]

I'm blatantly honest,

Well, except for the strawmen and misrepresentations, perhaps you are. If so, you hide it well.

so, you must be referring to Kenneth.

Damfino.

 

[Marc39]

Well, except for the strawmen and misrepresentations, perhaps you are. If so, you hide it well.


Damfino.

This is known as hearsay.

 

[The Fool]

Sorry, Marc's (or Kenneth's, or whatever the **** his name is) blatant dishonesty has me slightly irritated.

never lies....except when lying

 

[Marc39]

never lies....except when lying

Like when you alleged apartheid policies by Israel...until you showed you don't even know what apartheid is nor could you point to any apartheid policies from Israel.

Like when you ranted about Israel being a catastrophe for Arabs...until you were flummoxed when asked how so.

A veritable font of lies.

 

[Thunder]

Like when you alleged apartheid policies by Israel...until you showed you don't even know what apartheid is nor could you point to any apartheid policies from Israel.

Like when you ranted about Israel being a catastrophe for Arabs...until you were flummoxed when asked how so.

A veritable font of lies.

um....didn't you say it was anti-Semitic to accuse Israel of Apartheid?

 

[Tin Foil Timothy]

You might want to think about which dogs you lie down with because "anti-Zionist" is absolutely a codeword for anti-Jew, especially among the tinhat/Alex Jones crowd.

Where is that facepalm smiley?

I guess these guys are anti-themselves? http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

I am anti-Zionist and I have absolutely nothing against anyone for being Jewish or any other race/ethnicity for that matter.

I'm still amazed the old 'anti-Zionist' = 'anti-Jew' nonsense is still around. it must be covered in cobwebs by now.

 

[Marc39]

I am anti-Zionist and I have absolutely nothing against anyone for being Jewish or any other race/ethnicity for that matter.

I'm still amazed the old 'anti-Zionist' = 'anti-Jew' nonsense is still around. it must be covered in cobwebs by now.

Well, I'm sure you really aren't anti-Zionist given your instinctual humanitarianism.

I'm sure you are aware that Zionism is merely Jewish self-determination, a fundamental doctrine of the UN Charter. You couldn't conceivably be opposed to Jews living independent lives free of persecution.

Therefore, you are a Zionist and instead of denying it, you should proclaim it with pride.

 

[Tin Foil Timothy]

Well, I'm sure you really aren't anti-Zionist given your instinctual humanitarianism.

I'm sure you are aware that Zionism is merely Jewish self-determination, a fundamental doctrine of the UN Charter. You couldn't conceivably be opposed to Jews living independent lives free of persecution.

Therefore, you are a Zionist and instead of denying it, you should proclaim it with pride.

Another really bad attempt at making Zionism and Jews mutually inclusive.

Sorry fella it ain't flying.

 

[Marc39]

Another really bad attempt at making Zionism and Jews mutually inclusive.

Sorry fella it ain't flying.

I dint suggest Zionism and Jews are "mutually inclusive" (whatevuh that means}

I suggested that Zionism and self-determination are inextricable.

So, it's cool to acknowledge you're a Zionist.

 

[gtc]

Unfortunately for Tin Foil Timothy, anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism are not mutually exclusive. Its possible to be one and not the other but it is also possible to be both and it is possible to use anti-Zionism in an attempt to legitimise anti-Semitism.

For example the idea that France is controlled by Jews is obviously an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory. Simply replacing the word Jew with the word Zionist does not mean that the conspiracy theory is no longer anti-Semitic.

The people TFT is railing against in this thread are clearly claiming that some people use anti-Zionism as code for anti-Semitism and are not claiming that everyone who is anti-Zionist is also anti-Semitic.

 

[Tin Foil Timothy]

I dint suggest Zionism and Jews are "mutually inclusive" (whatevuh that means}

I suggested that Zionism and self-determination are inextricable.

So, it's cool to acknowledge you're a Zionist.

Oh and one more thing, you mentioned humanitarianism.....

The Zionist Movement is a complete stranger to humanitarianism. We dont' even need the latest UN investigation into Zionist war crimes to prove that to us. The decades old regime of apartheid in the West Bank is enough.

 

[Tin Foil Timothy]

Unfortunately for Tin Foil Timothy, anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism are not mutually exclusive.

I didn't say they were

Its possible to be one and not the other but it is also possible to be both and it is possible to use anti-Zionism in an attempt to legitimise anti-Zionism.

Use anti-Zionism to legitimise Anti-Zionism? Anti-Zionism is already legitimate.

For example the idea that France is controlled by Jews is obviously an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory. Simply replacing the word Jew with the word Zionist does not mean that the conspiracy theory is no longer anti-Semitic.

To say that France is controlled by Jews wouldn't be anti-semitic unless one was doing because one hated Jews.

The people TFT is railing against in this thread are clearly claiming that some people use anti-Zionism as code for anti-Semitism and are not claiming that everyone who is anti-Zionist is also anti-Semitic.

You are clearly compeltely mistaken there my friend. Firstly it is not 'people' it is one person and he/she is quite clear that anti-Zionism and Anti-Jew is mutally inclusive. here's a reminder. .....

You might want to think about which dogs you lie down with because "anti-Zionist" is absolutely a codeword for anti-Jew, especially among the tinhat/Alex Jones crowd.

The old 'code-word' allegation always makes me laugh. It really is so 20th century to stifle and denigrate criticism of Israel and the Zionist Movement by trying to claim it's racist. Do we have a yawn or cobweb smiley?