Ed Madeleine McCann Mystery

[IamFreeCanIGo]

Have you any source for the above? because it sounds rather like you are working off second/third hand media reports. The Metropolitan police have presented a time line that features none of the above claims. If you have grounds to dispute it please provide them.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id31.html

Towards the bottom there are transcripts of interviews from the police files.

 

[Garrison]

I'm not saying that's what definitely happened. I was giving an example to counteract someone saying it makes no sense for them to kill their child and dispose of the body. Of course no one would do that, but im attempting to point out that we don't know the circumstances that's one probable example of what could happen that would make a parent dispose of their childs body.

What you are doing is dismissing the version of events laid out by the police and offering nothing to support it but your own feelings based on a few media reports. It's like someone looking at a few pieces of a jigsaw and surmising that the picture is of a sheep. Then when someone comes and tells you that they've seen all the pieces and its a cow you say you are going to stick with your sheep theory.

 

[Garrison]

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id31.html

Towards the bottom there are transcripts of interviews from the police files.

So nothing that addresses the question I asked then?

 

[jargon buster]

But that logic makes no sense unless they were planning on killing her when they got there. It's the same issue I have with the JonBenet Ramsey case. Unless the parents were total sociopaths, an accidental death would not cause them to launch into a coverup and throw their child's body in the sea or some ridiculousness.

There would have been some evidence. IMO she washed the cuddle cat in case Madelaine drooled on it while sleeping, leaving residue of the drugs she had been given.

I've posted my theory in the thread, you might want to click on "read all posts by" and take a look. I have a lot of detail.

Everyones missing the obvious

 

[IamFreeCanIGo]

So nothing that addresses the question I asked then?

You asked for proof of the doors being unlocked, shutters being jimmied open, that's transcripts of their interviews, did you even read it? The interviews are where they talk about it.

 

[Garrison]

You asked for proof of the doors being unlocked, shutters being jimmied open, that's transcripts of their interviews, did you even read it? The interviews are where they talk about it.

I asked for a reason to dispute the Metropolitan Police time line, you simply reiterate your opinion the behaviour of the McCanns is suspicious. I'm sure the McCanns felt incredibly guilty, and having read enough about the fallibility of memory I'm hardly surprised their accounts changed over time. You have yet to offer up any reason to dispute the current police account.

 

[IamFreeCanIGo]

What you are doing is dismissing the version of events laid out by the police and offering nothing to support it but your own feelings based on a few media reports. It's like someone looking at a few pieces of a jigsaw and surmising that the picture is of a sheep. Then when someone comes and tells you that they've seen all the pieces and its a cow you say you are going to stick with your sheep theory.

I'm not dismissing the version of events. I'm simply saying im suspicious. Let me explain in a way you like to look at things. Who knows more details about the oj murder case, you or the jury who declared him not guilty?

The jury right, so according to your logic its irrational to say someone does not add up about that case.

 

[IamFreeCanIGo]

I asked for a reason to dispute the Metropolitan Police time line, you simply reiterate your opinion the behaviour of the McCanns is suspicious. I'm sure the McCanns felt incredibly guilty, and having read enough about the fallibility of memory I'm hardly surprised their accounts changed over time. You have yet to offer up any reason to dispute the current police account.

Nope, I was talking about how the door was locked and the window for jimmied open, but it turned out it was jimmied open from the inside, then the mccanns said they left the patio door open for fire.

You said it was third party and asked me for sources, I linked you to the transcripts of all the tapas members from the released police files, you refuse to read them.

Its hilarious.

 

[Garrison]

I'm not dismissing the version of events. I'm simply saying im suspicious. Let me explain in a way you like to look at things. Who knows more details about the oj murder case, you or the jury who declared him not guilty?

The jury right, so according to your logic its irrational to say someone does not add up about that case.

People are dubious in the OJ case because there was evidence that was not put to the jury and evidence that was poorly presented. If you entertain the notion that OJ is guilty simply because he 'looks' guilty then yes that would be irrational.

 

[IamFreeCanIGo]

You don't regard police interview transcripts of the people involved as evidence? ...Strange.

Please provide proof the evidence was presented poorly, don't use 3rd party sources like newspapers.

Also you didn't answer, who would know more about the case, you or the people who sat on the jury for weeks and had all the evidence presented to them.

 

[truethat]

I think 'neglect' is a bit strong, all the parents were in the vicinity of the complex (about 50 yards away if memory serves) and were checking on the children every half hour.
I also don't think they can be called narcissistic for trying to keep their daughters disappearance in the public eye, wouldn't any parent do the same.
Which leads me to why I don't think they were involved, why, if you were trying to cover up the accidental death of your daughter would you keep bringing it up in the media over a period of six years, surely you'd want it to die down asap. Unless their engaging in the biggest double bluff in history!!

When people post things like this, it just about blows my mind. I can only surmise you don't have kids.

Madelein was three years old. Three. You cannot ever leave a three year old unattended and hang out 50 yards away. Seriously you can't even leave a kid that age alone in a room and be in the next room without the possibility of something going wrong.

 

[truethat]

Suggestions like that are why this thread is rightly in the conspiracy forum. And I can only wonder if you're willing to entertain that kind of unbridled speculation because it's something you might do to your children? Because it otherwise falls under the category of "grasping at straws".
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Several of you have posted this as a Conspiracy Theory and compared it to outrageous conspiracy theories.

Please explain why? Do you think it's normal for a parent to leave a three year old and two toddlers alone and go out and check on them every few?

If you were sitting at the table with your friends and they did the same thing are you telling me you'd feel comfortable with that? It's not just the McCain's judgment in this situation. It's a group of parents.

 

[The Third Man]

When people post things like this, it just about blows my mind. I can only surmise you don't have kids.

Madelein was three years old. Three. You cannot ever leave a three year old unattended and hang out 50 yards away. Seriously you can't even leave a kid that age alone in a room and be in the next room without the possibility of something going wrong.[/QUOTE]

So you don't leave your children alone in their rooms at night when they're sleeping?
My point was 'neglect' is a strong word, the children were loved, well fed and cared for. There is no evidence they were abused, left for days to fend for themselves, that their parents were drug users or any of the other thngs that word brings to mind. The decision, (and it wasn't just Maddies parents decision) to leave the children is questionable, but does it really amount to neglect?

 

[IamFreeCanIGo]

When people post things like this, it just about blows my mind. I can only surmise you don't have kids.

Madelein was three years old. Three. You cannot ever leave a three year old unattended and hang out 50 yards away. Seriously you can't even leave a kid that age alone in a room and be in the next room without the possibility of something going wrong.[/QUOTE]

So you don't leave your children alone in their rooms at night when they're sleeping?
My point was 'neglect' is a strong word, the children were loved, well fed and cared for. There is no evidence they were abused, left for days to fend for themselves, that their parents were drug users or any of the other thngs that word brings to mind. The decision, (and it wasn't just Maddies parents decision) to leave the children is questionable, but does it really amount to neglect?

Apart from the fact that Pamela Fenn who lived directly above apartment 5a heard a child crying from their apartment for an hour on may 2nd.

Is it neglect If a child is crying for an hour alone in a holiday apartment while you are out with friends?

 

[truethat]

No I don't leave the house with my children sleeping at night. My youngest son is 13 years old and when I have my husband drive me downtown on Sunday mornings I make sure I go back in and wake up my son. It's very very dangerous to leave a child alone sleeping.

Jerry McCaan's comment that he left the door open "in case of a fire" is horrific to me.

 

[The Third Man]

No I don't leave the house with my children sleeping at night. My youngest son is 13 years old and when I have my husband drive me downtown on Sunday mornings I make sure I go back in and wake up my son. It's very very dangerous to leave a child alone sleeping.

Jerry McCaan's comment that he left the door open "in case of a fire" is horrific to me.

As I'm sure you know I wasn't suggesting that it's okay to leave the house while your children are sleeping, but it's silly to say you can't even leave them alone in the next room.

Apart from the fact that Pamela Fenn who lived directly above apartment 5a heard a child crying from their apartment for an hour on may 2nd.

Leaving them alone for an hour without checking is unnacceptable, I still don't think that it's neglect, but it is poor parenting, and I think from what I heard last night that Kate McCann is tortured by the decision constantly. I can only think that they felt safe in the complex, perhaps as you would if you were outside having a barbeque on your own property. As I say the decision to leave the children is questionable but in every other respect they just don't strike me as neglectful parents.

 

[Azrael 5]

As I'm sure you know I wasn't suggesting that it's okay to leave the house while your children are sleeping, but it's silly to say you can't even leave them alone in the next room.

. I can only think that they felt safe in the complex

Yep what were the chances of an unseen abducter popping up without any transport in his fiendish plan to snatch one child ,who didnt wake up,and take them down to the beach?

 

[truethat]

As I'm sure you know I wasn't suggesting that it's okay to leave the house while your children are sleeping, but it's silly to say you can't even leave them alone in the next room.

Leaving them alone for an hour without checking is unnacceptable, I still don't think that it's neglect, but it is poor parenting, and I think from what I heard last night that Kate McCann is tortured by the decision constantly. I can only think that they felt safe in the complex, perhaps as you would if you were outside having a barbeque on your own property. As I say the decision to leave the children is questionable but in every other respect they just don't strike me as neglectful parents.

I meant you can't leave an awake three year old in a room alone without the potential of something going wrong. Even if she was sleeping when they left the hotel room, there was a chance she could have woken after they left. This is what leads me to believe they gave her something to make her sleep. Then they wouldn't worry she'd wake up.


And just because you have done a neglectful thing doesn't mean that you are a horrible person. I've shared my own instances of such things myself. One time the power went out in our three family apartment house. I went down to the basement with my neighbor while the two boys were sleeping upstairs, and I stayed a little bit too long talking to the neighbor. When I came back up my four year had gone into the bathroom and sprayed shaving cream on his face and was standing there with the razor.

People make mistakes like this all the time. But for an entire table of parents to sit there acting like it was no big deal is really bizarre IMO. I think they all know she was given something to help her sleep. To me it's the only logical conclusion.

It answers many questions.

A. Madeline never woke up screaming or crying even though the night before she had cried for a half an hour. So she certainly wasn't the silent type.

B. As soon as her mother saw she wasn't in the apartment she immediately knew she'd been taken. She didn't look OUTSIDE the apartment at all. The group did later but she didn't at that moment.

C. Their demeanor matches their field. Doctors with sedated patients making a "rounds" visit to the room every few minutes to make sure she was ok.

 

[IamFreeCanIGo]

Kate McCann is tortured by the decision constantly

Perhaps, however what Kate feels is irrelevant. She is not the victim here, the child is. Her willingness to leave her kids alone for an hour at a time in a foreign country, while she went and had fun directly resulted in the kid going missing. I don't feel sorry for her, I feel sorry for her kid.

 

[truethat]

Perhaps, however what Kate feels is irrelevant. She is not the victim here, the child is. Her willingness to leave her kids alone for an hour at a time in a foreign country, while she went and had fun directly resulted in the kid going missing. I don't feel sorry for her, I feel sorry for her kid.

Agreed, it's amazing how she's the "victim" um, no the child is the victim here. But don't let's get me started on that again. LOL