Ed Madeleine McCann Mystery

IamFreeCanIGo said:
Well for example, i don't like the mccanns because they left 3 sleeping kids in an unlocked apartment in a foreign country which at best resulted in one of them getting abducted. People had reported the children crying as they were left alone on the nights before that, so it does not seem to be a one off. They then spend the best part of a year flying round europe meeting with the pope and collecting donations.

Thats the part i don't like about them.

Just to be clear, im not saying they killed the child etc etc, im saying they are guily of neglect. But for some reason no one seems to care.
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And if you had read my earlier posts I specifically said that I have little sympathy for the McCanns and that they were negligent in the way they looked after their children, though not it seems unique on doing so. That does not translate into them being suspicious. Indeed guilt over their failure probably explains much of the behaviour that some people have deemed to be suspicious.
 
jargon buster said:
I have only one thing to say to Gerry and Kate....
"But for your actions........"

If nothing else the constant dragging up of this case should at least prompt other parents to think twice about leaving children unattended.
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You would think so but when this case has come up in discussion with those who have children the response usually seems to be a variant of 'well you can't watch them all the time'.
 
Always found the abduction theory little odd.
Scenario A. Pre planned abduction,"Bad man" knows the McCanns go out everynight so why does he not snatch MAddie at nearest opportunity after 8.30pm when they leave? He sees Gerry check at 9pm and doesnt run off. Gerry returns to Tapas bar and "Bad man" still doesnt snatch her! All this hanging around and no-one sees him,and when he eventually snatches her ,what does he do? Bundle he rinto a waiting vehicle at earest exit to apartments? No he walks off 500 yards toward the beach!

Scenario B. Random "Bad man" decides somewhere between 9 and 9-30pm to try every apartment door(no-one reports anyone doing this)until he finds an open one enters not knowing if its occupied,and wanders around in the dark until he happens upon Madeleine,snatches her without her waking(what random snatcher carries chloroform with him).Once again he leaves on foot unseen over 500 yds towards the beach(assuming e-fit is the bad man).

Thats one huge leap of logic.
 
Garrison said:
You would think so but when this case has come up in discussion with those who have children the response usually seems to be a variant of 'well you can't watch them all the time'.
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Contact social services immediately and change the company you keep. :)
 
IamFreeCanIGo said:
My problem with this whole case is that lots more children have gone missing since this, and receive no where near as much media attention. That girl is clearly dead and while i support the investigation going on. I don't think it should be in the media, any more than any other missing girl.

If you ask me, the parents at least seem suspicious. Clearly guilty of neglect, being cynical id say their stories don't really add up and have changed because they were trying to make it seem like they were checking on the kids more often than they were.

One thing that concerns me, if they found a cadaver odor in the room where she was sleeping. Wouldn't she have to have been dead for a while? This conflicts with any time line ive read from the people involved.
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That's what I've thought as well. But cadaver dogs are not very good at determining who died. Both the parents worked in a hospital, their shoes could have held a smell.

If the dogs are led to a body it's bit more reasonable.
 
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Azrael 5 said:
Always found the abduction theory little odd...Thats one huge leap of logic.
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Yea, I guess it does make more sense that two hard working and well regarded salt of the earths would suddenly kill their little daughter for no reason, manage to dispose of her body without a trace, and then spend the rest of their lives doing all they can to have the entire world remembering and looking for her rather than, having gotten away with it, simply letting the story fade away.

No leaps in logic there.
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truethat said:
That's what I've thought as well. But cadaver dogs are not very good at determining who died. Both the parents worked in a hospital, their shoes could have held a smell.

If the dogs are led to a body it's bit more reasonable.
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I found Kate McCanns reaction to finding the odor a little strange, as you suggested she remarked that she had been in contact with 6 dead bodies in work before going on holiday and that is why they probaby got the cadaver odor.

Which is a very strange reaction from someone whose child has just gone missing. Apparently abducted. Also there were reports that she washed "cuddlecat" which had the cadaver odor found on it, which again seems strange if infact those reports were true.
 
lane99 said:
Yea, I guess it does make more sense that two hard working and well regarded salt of the earths would suddenly kill their little daughter for no reason, manage to dispose of her body without a trace, and then spend the rest of their lives doing all they can to have the entire world remembering and looking for her rather than, having gotten away with it, simply letting the story fade away.

No leaps in logic there.
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Don't think anyone is suggesting they decided to kill their child on purpose. There is lots of reasons they could have decided to cover it up if they were responsible for her death. For e.g. What if they gave her a sedative so they could go out drinking and they came back and found her dead, would make sense for them to cover it up then.
 
But that logic makes no sense unless they were planning on killing her when they got there. It's the same issue I have with the JonBenet Ramsey case. Unless the parents were total sociopaths, an accidental death would not cause them to launch into a coverup and throw their child's body in the sea or some ridiculousness.

There would have been some evidence. IMO she washed the cuddle cat in case Madelaine drooled on it while sleeping, leaving residue of the drugs she had been given.

I've posted my theory in the thread, you might want to click on "read all posts by" and take a look. I have a lot of detail.
 
truethat said:
But that logic makes no sense unless they were planning on killing her when they got there. It's the same issue I have with the JonBenet Ramsey case. Unless the parents were total sociopaths, an accidental death would not cause them to launch into a coverup and throw their child's body in the sea or some ridiculousness.

There would have been some evidence. IMO she washed the cuddle cat in case Madelaine drooled on it while sleeping, leaving residue of the drugs she had been given.

I've posted my theory in the thread, you might want to click on "read all posts by" and take a look. I have a lot of detail.
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You believe that they planned on killing her all along? I don't think so. I would imagine that if they were responsible for the removal of the body, she must have died by accidental overdose. I mean they do seem narcissistic, Hiring a publicist, the constant media attention, Starting a blog/online dairy etc, if they are narcissistic, self preservation would have been in their mind. So if they found her dead they would have done everything to save themselves.

From reports ive read, there was a lot of changes in their stores early on, which wouldnt be likely to happen with a pre rehersed story.
 
IamFreeCanIGo said:
You believe that they planned on killing her all along? I don't think so. I would imagine that if they were responsible for the removal of the body, she must have died by accidental overdose. I mean they do seem narcissistic, Hiring a publicist, the constant media attention, Starting a blog/online dairy etc, if they are narcissistic, self preservation would have been in their mind. So if they found her dead they would have done everything to save themselves.

From reports ive read, there was a lot of changes in their stores early on, which wouldnt be likely to happen with a pre rehersed story.
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No.........sigh..........that's why I said go back and read what I've posted.


I hate when people join relatively short threads and don't bother to read what the poster has written and then start accusing them of saying things they clearly did NOT say and then they have to repeat everything all over again.


I believe she was abducted. They sent a reporter over there to see what the real deal was, this guy was a consultant for a crime solvers type thing and he said it was obvious she'd been abducted.

They left her not just that night but other nights and did the same things. Her father walking back and forth probably drew attention to the situation.


I think they drugged her to go to sleep and that's why they didn't cooperate the way they should have in the beginning because they couldn't be completely honest with the police doing the investigation.

They are doctors, they stand to lose their entire livelihood if they got busted for drugging their kids.

I don't really condemn them for drugging their kids, I think it's a selfish and dangerous thing to do. However they are both doctors and may have felt very confident about their ability to dose her correctly.

The idea that they drugged her is the only thing that makes sense to me and explains two things.

1. When her mother came in the room she knew immediately that she had been abducted. The idea that the cuddle cat had been "put on a shelf high up" is total BS IMO what abductor is going to take time to place a stuffed animal on a shelf rather than shoving it out of the way.

IMO the reason she knew immediately that she had been taken was because they knew it was impossible for her to have left the room on her own because they had drugged her.


2. She was three years old. It is odd that two intelligent parents would leave a three year old, who is old enough to get out of bed, open doors and wander out of the apartment, alone in the apartment. Even more odd that their friends didn't say anything. I think the fact that they did leave her alone demonstrates they knew she would not do any of these things because she couldn't wake up. The periodic checks were just to monitor her breathing etc, basically like doctors and nurses making rounds in a hospital.


I think she washed the cuddle cat to remove any possible residue.

And finally, sadly I think that the abductor may have accidentally overdosed Madelaine by drugging her further, not realizing she'd already been given a dosage.
 
Wasn't there some confusion over the whole abduction time line, they has stated that the shutters had been jimmied open to get access, and that all the doors had been locked. Then it was shown that the windows had been jimmied open from the inside, then the mccanns changed and said that the patio doors were open in case of fire. If the patio doors were open, why would an aductor go near the window as opposed to walking out the front door or the patio doors.

Whatever happened, somethings don't add up.
 
I think 'neglect' is a bit strong, all the parents were in the vicinity of the complex (about 50 yards away if memory serves) and were checking on the children every half hour.
I also don't think they can be called narcissistic for trying to keep their daughters disappearance in the public eye, wouldn't any parent do the same.
Which leads me to why I don't think they were involved, why, if you were trying to cover up the accidental death of your daughter would you keep bringing it up in the media over a period of six years, surely you'd want it to die down asap. Unless their engaging in the biggest double bluff in history!!
 
IamFreeCanIGo said:
...For e.g. What if they gave her a sedative so they could go out drinking...
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Suggestions like that are why this thread is rightly in the conspiracy forum. And I can only wonder if you're willing to entertain that kind of unbridled speculation because it's something you might do to your children? Because it otherwise falls under the category of "grasping at straws".
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Nope, I wouldn't give children a sedative to go out drinking, but then again, I wouldn't leave my kids in an unlocked apartment in a foreign country while I went drinking,
 
I'm not saying that's what definitely happened. I was giving an example to counteract someone saying it makes no sense for them to kill their child and dispose of the body. Of course no one would do that, but im attempting to point out that we don't know the circumstances that's one probable example of what could happen that would make a parent dispose of their childs body.
 
IamFreeCanIGo said:
Wasn't there some confusion over the whole abduction time line, they has stated that the shutters had been jimmied open to get access, and that all the doors had been locked. Then it was shown that the windows had been jimmied open from the inside, then the mccanns changed and said that the patio doors were open in case of fire. If the patio doors were open, why would an aductor go near the window as opposed to walking out the front door or the patio doors.

Whatever happened, somethings don't add up.
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Have you any source for the above? because it sounds rather like you are working off second/third hand media reports. The Metropolitan police have presented a time line that features none of the above claims. If you have grounds to dispute it please provide them.
 
lane99 said:
Yea, I guess it does make more sense that two hard working and well regarded salt of the earths would suddenly kill their little daughter for no reason, manage to dispose of her body without a trace, and then spend the rest of their lives doing all they can to have the entire world remembering and looking for her rather than, having gotten away with it, simply letting the story fade away.

No leaps in logic there.
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Bolding mine.Well I didnt say that was my theory,just the abducter one doesnt hold water.More like she wandered off.
WHy so sure of abduction from the instant with her parents"They've taken her" yeah that would be my first instinct too :rolleyes:
Kate McCann stated she left patio doors unlocked in case of a fire so 3 kids could escape,a lot of use when she stated Maddie couldnt open the door!

A long alternative look at the case here:
http://www.cwporter.com/mccann.htm
 
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