Ed Madeleine McCann Mystery

Is it just me or is something wrong with this?
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Its meant to be one man, it looks like two completely different people. :boggled:
 
Rolfe said:
I was watching, but a cousin returned a phone call in the middle. What was the conclusion about the time of the abduction?

Rolfe.
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Basically the Jane Tanner sighting has been explained by a man returning from a crèche with his daughter. This means the new investigation is looking at witness reports from the period after that until 10pm when Madeleine was discovered to be missing.
 
jargon buster said:
Is it just me or is something wrong with this?
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Its meant to be one man, it looks like two completely different people. :boggled:
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Classic example of how people's recollection of the same event can be radically different.
 
E-fits developed from two different witnesses.

Rolfe, as Garrison said, the sighting at 9.15ish is now thought to be a man taking his child home from a creche. There was a sighting around 10pm of a man carrying a blonde child thought to be about 3-4 years old, some way away from the apartment complex, walking towards the sea, which is one of the leads the Met is investigating.
 
Garrison said:
Well watching the Crimewatch reconstruction it appears the original time-line was wrong; that is the sighting at 9:15pm of a man carrying a child has now been explained innocently. Also there seems to have been a steady stream of adults leaving the dinner table to check on children; which with other evidence seems to point to someone getting into the apartment.
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That sighting has always been on record, but was never given any significance. Only now they introduce a previously unmentioned "night creche" to explain Jane Tanner's sighting at 9.15, without her having to be outed as a liar. In six years, no one thought to check out the "night creche"? Seriously?

A "night creche" a few yards from the restaurant, and ALL the adults with children in the party left their kids in apartments, alone, at the other side of the complex?

The Crimewatch "reconstruction" has done nothing, apart from remind people of the myth of an "abduction". In fact, it was misleading from the very first sentence "Six years ago, Madeleine McCann was abducted"

There is no evidence of an abduction. Merely speculation and constant repeating of the myth by the McCann's PR team.

The case has more holes than a warehouse full of string vests.
 
Garrison said:
Just clicked the link out of curiosity; would hate to be the person who wasted their time on that.
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You "clicked the link out of curiosity"? Did you read any of it? If you did, then why not tell us why you thought it was a waste of time?
 
BaldSeagull said:
That sighting has always been on record, but was never given any significance. Only now they introduce a previously unmentioned "night creche" to explain Jane Tanner's sighting at 9.15, without her having to be outed as a liar. In six years, no one thought to check out the "night creche"? Seriously?
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The 'they' in question is the Metropolitan Police. Yes it's an appalling oversight the connection wasn't made years before but police forces(in the UK and abroad) have made worse cock ups; look at the Caroline Dickinson case, or the infamous 'Wearside Jack' from the Yorkshire Ripper case that left the police focused in the wrong direction.
 
BaldSeagull said:
You "clicked the link out of curiosity"? Did you read any of it? If you did, then why not tell us why you thought it was a waste of time?
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Because it's based on a false assumption about the sequence of events as the real detectives have now shown. Or are the Metropolitan Police part of this diabolical conspiracy by the McCann's as well?
 
jargon buster said:
Is it just me or is something wrong with this?
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Its meant to be one man, it looks like two completely different people. :boggled:
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This is to be expected. Photo fits are not intended ss perfect ortraits but memory aids. They derive from flawed human memory.
 
jargon buster said:
They haven't had any response to the recent images so heres the latest, this is the man they are looking for.

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:rolleyes:
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I suspect the response will be more effective than your joke suggests.
 
Garrison said:
Well watching the Crimewatch reconstruction it appears the original time-line was wrong; that is the sighting at 9:15pm of a man carrying a child has now been explained innocently. Also there seems to have been a steady stream of adults leaving the dinner table to check on children; which with other evidence seems to point to someone getting into the apartment.
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I didn't see the Crimewatch programme, I don't understand how that conclusion is reached. What is the evidence that suggests someone got into the apartment?

An opportunist finding her wandering about, telling her he'll take her to her parents, and then taking her down to the beach instead still seems more likely to me than someone knowing the door had been accidentally left unlocked (or trying doors at random to find one that was) and taking her from the apartment, risking the noise she would probably make.

ETA: OK I just read the BBC report. This seems to be the evidence meant:

Det Ch Insp Andy Redwood, the senior Metropolitan Police investigating officer, said a number of men had been seen by witnesses in the area on the day Madeleine vanished and one theory was they could have been carrying out reconnaissance.

He said they wanted to track down men seen "lurking suspiciously" near the McCanns' apartment block.
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Not sure that men hanging around a holiday resort is particularly suspicious, but this is more suggestive:

He said there had been a four-fold increase in the number of burglaries in the area between January and May 2007 and one possible scenario was that Madeleine had disturbed a burglar.

"Windows were a feature, as well as burglaries taking place in the evening," he said.

Two incidents had occurred in the McCanns' block - one attempted burglary and one actual burglary - in the 17 days before Madeleine went missing, he said.

There had also been an intruder in a property within the holiday complex where a British family with two children were staying the year before, he added.
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BaldSeagull said:
......There is no evidence of an abduction. Merely speculation and constant repeating of the myth by the McCann's PR team........
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"No evidence of an abduction" transmogrifies into "myth (of an abduction)" within the same paragrpah. This means you have evidence that this positively wasn't an abduction. In other words, you can substantiate that it definitely wasn't an abduction.

I hope you rang Scotland Yard to put them right......You clearly know far more about this than they do, so your input would no doubt be critical to solving the case.

Mike
 
Pixel42 said:
Assuming that the McCanns are telling the truth it's always seemed to me that the likeliest scenario is that Madeline woke up, found her parents missing and the door unlocked, and wandered out into the night in search of them. She unfortunately encountered the one person in a million whose reaction to finding a little girl wandering around a holiday resort on her own was not to immediately take her to someone in authority so her parents could be located, i.e. it was a crime of opportunity.
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Which door?

The bedroom door was unlocked, but the main door was a glazed sliding patio door. Do you know of any 4 year olds who can slide those open by themselves, even if it is unlocked? Oh, and presumably this toddler also opened the window and the external shutters in the bedroom first?

Pixel42 said:
I didn't see the Crimewatch programme......
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Then you missed the computer 3D graphic showing how the apartment and the complex were laid out, and the routes of access into both. You should get in front of I-Player before you go much further in this thread, methinks.....

Mike
 
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Poor Jane Tanner. It must be awful to think your well-intentioned testimony was absolutely wrong and led the police in an entirely erroneous direction.

jargon buster said:
Is it just me or is something wrong with this?
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Its meant to be one man, it looks like two completely different people. :boggled:
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To me, it looks uncomfortably like the unfortunate child's father.

Agatha said:
... There was a sighting around 10pm of a man carrying a blonde child thought to be about 3-4 years old, some way away from the apartment complex, walking towards the sea, which is one of the leads the Met is investigating.
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Yes.
The people that made that sighting had an interesting tale to tell.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id162.html

arthwollipot said:
I find myself wondering what Connie Sonne thinks of these latest developments.
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Noooooo.
 
My problem with this whole case is that lots more children have gone missing since this, and receive no where near as much media attention. That girl is clearly dead and while i support the investigation going on. I don't think it should be in the media, any more than any other missing girl.

If you ask me, the parents at least seem suspicious. Clearly guilty of neglect, being cynical id say their stories don't really add up and have changed because they were trying to make it seem like they were checking on the kids more often than they were.

One thing that concerns me, if they found a cadaver odor in the room where she was sleeping. Wouldn't she have to have been dead for a while? This conflicts with any time line ive read from the people involved.
 
To me, it looks uncomfortably like the unfortunate child's father.
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The guy on the left isnt a million miles away from Kate either.

If you ask me, the parents at least seem suspicious.
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Kate did seem to be reluctant to make eye contact with the interviewer when asked about how she felt when they were made suspects.
 
BaldSeagull said:
That sighting has always been on record, but was never given any significance. Only now they introduce a previously unmentioned "night creche" to explain Jane Tanner's sighting at 9.15, without her having to be outed as a liar. In six years, no one thought to check out the "night creche"? Seriously?

A "night creche" a few yards from the restaurant, and ALL the adults with children in the party left their kids in apartments, alone, at the other side of the complex?

The Crimewatch "reconstruction" has done nothing, apart from remind people of the myth of an "abduction". In fact, it was misleading from the very first sentence "Six years ago, Madeleine McCann was abducted"

There is no evidence of an abduction. Merely speculation and constant repeating of the myth by the McCann's PR team.

The case has more holes than a warehouse full of string vests.
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Are you saying the case should've been on "Sun, Sea and Suspicious Parents" rather than Crimewatch?
 
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