Ed Madeleine McCann Mystery

[MarkCorrigan]

I could just as easily say, that thinking in terms of preserving evidence is not a normal thought process I would expect from a parent.

I'm not being harsh here, so TT, don't think this is an attack, but TT doesn't think like most people. She's outright admitted to being overly logical and not understanding the copious use of feelings by most normal people.

 

[TSR]

It is common practice on websites when quoting, to bold the part to which you are referring. In addition my comments reflected a question on the bolded part.

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Quite.

And the part you bolded referred to a toy rabbit, and a four day interval.

Both of which are factually wrong.

There is no question, it was a toy *cat* and *5* days, which it took Google .19 seconds on my *slow* box to determine.

Your question about "if this is true" is thus answered "no, it ain't, so the remainder is irrelevant."

Thanks for playing.

One also notes you skipped all of the other points made in the post you *didn't* quote -- as if that means no one else could see it.

Edited by jhunter1163: 

Edited for civility.

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[truethat]

I am pretty sure that I would not put it in an airtight container and never touch it. I might hold it obsessively, or might be unable to look at it. I might want to clean it if she'd spilled juice on it that day and I wanted to keep it nice for her, or if it was my routine and I wanted to keep up a semblence of normality; or I might want to never clean it.

I could just as easily say, that thinking in terms of preserving evidence is not a normal thought process I would expect from a parent.

But I think in these sorts of cases, people tend to think they know how a normal person should respond. And often, they're totally wrong about that.

As for leaving the kids in the first place, to me it does seem strange. But then, my oldest child is 5 1/2 and a very light sleeper. I don't think there's been a time in his life that I would have felt comfortable leaving him alone in an unfamiliar place and trusting he would sleep; I'd be afraid he would wake up and freak out. So that probably skews my perspective. Maybe parents of reliable heavy sleepers can pull that kind of thing off.

To the first bolded

I would do that with her clothing or other items. But not something that I thought could link a kidnapper to the child. I can see a desire to hold her cuddle thing, but contaminating evidence of a crime scene wouldn't be my thing.

To the second bolded

Perhaps in their home town, but in a strange place? This is why it seems to me that it is very likely that they drugged her. Then they would know she would not wake up.

I'm not being harsh here, so TT, don't think this is an attack, but TT doesn't think like most people. She's outright admitted to being overly logical and not understanding the copious use of feelings by most normal people.

This could be true. I didn't take it as an attack. You're right.

 

[Rolfe]

You think this, he thinks that, she thinks the other. It's all pure speculation, with nothing concrete to back it up at all. All the so-called facts in the public domain are suspect, from tabloid newpapers with an eye for the sensational, or from police officers with an agenda.

I could speculate that the parents sold the child to white slave traders then staged the "abduction" to cover it up, and I'd have about as much chance of being on the money.

Rolfe.

 

[mushy]

First of all, one t in British thank you.

Secondly, you clearly didn't go to Guybrush's link, which showed that sniffer dogs are more likely to take cues from their handlers than actually detect something.

So you are going to ignore the links i posted that describe with proof and citations all the cases the dogs have been able to locate dead bodies and blood samples, and point to an internet page that says "sometimes dogs can be influenced". Ask youself, who seems like the nutjob now? The guy pointing to documented evidence and police reports or the guy saying "well it does not say that on this webpage"

This is why this site annoys me, you call yourself skeptics, instead, you are people who blindly dismiss anything that doesnt not fit in with what they call normal. READ THE LINKS, LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE, don't keep posting things like

"well maybe this could have happened."

Go and look at what actually happened and look at all the reports showing just how successfull these dogs have been.

For god sake get a grip.

 

[mushy]

Do you know that while the mccanns were being paraded around as heros and getting millions and millions in donations, a working class woman who lived in a council estate, left her kids (who were older than the mccann kids) in her locked house to go to work. The press ravaged her and social services got involved.

Anyone else see a problem there?

 

[truethat]

Do you know that while the mccanns were being paraded around as heros and getting millions and millions in donations, a working class woman who lived in a council estate, left her kids (who were older than the mccann kids) in her locked house to go to work. The press ravaged her and social services got involved.

Anyone else see a problem there?

This is what I said earlier. But for some reason the Mccanns got a pass. They were babies and a three year old!

Also Rolfe, I don't think it's fair to say "We could speculate anything!" Of course we could speculate but that doesn't mean all of it is based on just crazy ideas.

There are some facts in the case. I'm trying to only discuss those. And the reason I started the thread is as you said, there's all kinds of misinformation out there.

I was hoping to get real information here.

mushy

I'm suspect of cadaver dogs. They don't really point to accurate fact. It's not very clear.

The things we can't get away from are timelines, (within degrees of error) and statements of witnesses (within degrees of error)

What I'm also interested in looking at is how things unfolded. What happened according to the timeline and the documented evidence.

As you said some people say they are guilty. However the idea that the parents staged an abduction and threw their kids body in the sea makes no sense to me at all. If it was an accidental death I doubt very much these parents would have thrust themselves into the public eye like that. Who would do that?

 

[mushy]

This is what I said earlier. But for some reason the Mccanns got a pass. They were babies and a three year old!

Also Rolfe, I don't think it's fair to say "We could speculate anything!" Of course we could speculate but that doesn't mean all of it is based on just crazy ideas.

There are some facts in the case. I'm trying to only discuss those. And the reason I started the thread is as you said, there's all kinds of misinformation out there.

I was hoping to get real information here.

mushy

I'm suspect of cadaver dogs. They don't really point to accurate fact. It's not very clear.

The things we can't get away from are timelines, (within degrees of error) and statements of witnesses (within degrees of error)

What I'm also interested in looking at is how things unfolded. What happened according to the timeline and the documented evidence.

As you said some people say they are guilty. However the idea that the parents staged an abduction and threw their kids body in the sea makes no sense to me at all. If it was an accidental death I doubt very much these parents would have thrust themselves into the public eye like that. Who would do that?

Well, you have to look at the type of people they are. They got obsessed with the attention, sued anyone who questioned their actions and got away with it. Had the whole world fawning over them and a whole country controlled by the media sucking up to them.

Thats why they did everything they could, and even a couple of weeks ago i saw they were trying to get back on TV again. They said numerous times they thought that sightings of madeliene were real, it didnt matter where the sitings where, south africa, asia, then the next day madrid... they believed all of them.

No one in their right mind could think that the child could be smuggled to all those places, the only reason they went along with it imo was because as long as people believed she was alive, the less chance they could be found guilty of her death.

These are people who went jogging and kept blogs a week after their daughter went missing. Who set up companys and sold wristbands etc for money, who hired pr people, who does that?

Did you read their blogs? Your daughter has just been abducted, a week later you are putting your remaining two kids in a nursery while you and your wife go for a jog. If my kid had been abducted, the last thing i would want to do is leave my other two kids alone in the same resort while i went for a jog.

However, its obvious to me and anyone who has studied the files, that the jogs were vital because, they knew she hadnt been abducted and they needed quiet time to get their story straight.

 

[truethat]

I've read that they justify trips to these locations through their fund by saying they are going to "find Madeleine"

However, I don't agree that they killed her. The jog might seem strange to you or me but for someone who uses excercise to clear their mind, not having worked out for a while might be like not taking your stress medication. I don't expect them to sit on the floor crying about it. They do need to stay strong for their other children.

I think the most likely thing is that they drugged her and suspect she is dead because of additional drugging.

 

[Tolls]

So you are going to ignore the links i posted that describe with proof and citations all the cases the dogs have been able to locate dead bodies and blood samples, and point to an internet page that says "sometimes dogs can be influenced". Ask youself, who seems like the nutjob now? The guy pointing to documented evidence and police reports or the guy saying "well it does not say that on this webpage"

Do you know who Ben Goldacre is?
Did you read the link posted?
Did you see the reference to the work done showing sniffer dogs are suspect?

It's not "just some guy".

And now your coming up with nice little theories over their jog.
Right little Miss Marple aren't you?

 

[iknownothing]

Had the whole world fawning over them and a whole country controlled by the media sucking up to them.

That may be your perception.

However, its obvious to me and anyone who has studied the files,

You've "studied the files?" Which files? That sounds like you've spent time getting fired up by websites, and want to sound important about it.

Unless you have access to actual official files. In which case, you probably shouldn't be posting here.

This is why it seems to me that it is very likely that they drugged her.

I think the most likely thing is that they drugged her and suspect she is dead because of additional drugging.

"Very likely" and "most likely" seems to me, to be way too confident about what is essentially wild speculation. It may be clever speculation; you may be on the right track. But still just speculation.

I have no opinion about their guilt or innocence.

 

[truethat]

That may be your perception.



You've "studied the files?" Which files? That sounds like you've spent time getting fired up by websites, and want to sound important about it.

Unless you have access to actual official files. In which case, you probably shouldn't be posting here.




"Very likely" and "most likely" seems to me, to be way too confident about what is essentially wild speculation. It may be clever speculation; you may be on the right track. But still just speculation.

I have no opinion about their guilt or innocence.

Of course it is just speculation. I'm some person living in NYC who has never met anyone involved. Never been to the site and don't know jack.

The entire thread is just speculation. Why do I need to keep repeating this?

 

[iknownothing]

Of course it is just speculation. I'm some person living in NYC who has never met anyone involved. Never been to the site and don't know jack.

The entire thread is just speculation. Why do I need to keep repeating this?

Because you continued using words like "most likely."

 

[truethat]

Ok let's clarify

Most likely in my humble opinion.

 

[mushy]

Unless you have access to actual official files. In which case, you probably shouldn't be posting here.

Yes, i like everyone else have access to the files that were released by the PJ and are available for everyone to see on the websites i posted several times.

 

[TSR]

This is what I said earlier. But for some reason the Mccanns got a pass.

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Of course, it is stupid to say that social services didn't get involved.

They did.

And they found no reason to believe that the twins were or are in danger.

And why did social services get involved? Why, lookit here, ***AT THE REQUEST OF THE MCCANNS***.

Now, I'm not allowed to comment specifically about anyone's research skills, nor am *I* going to call people who say social services weren't involved stupid, but it took Google (again, on my slow box) .17 seconds with the keywords McCann social services and a click on the very first link to find these facts...
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[Rolfe]

Ok let's clarify

Most likely in my humble opinion.

Well, nobody else is responsible for your opinions, and there's no law against baseless speculation on an internet forum, but it's not very interesting.

Rolfe.

 

[Rolfe]

Unless you have access to actual official files. In which case, you probably shouldn't be posting here.

Yes, i like everyone else have access to the files that were released by the PJ and are available for everyone to see on the websites i posted several times.

And if you place any reilance at all on what the Portuguese police say, then you're not thinking clearly.

They screwed up the early part of the investigation and they then went into damage limitation mode.

Rolfe.

 

[mushy]

And if you place any reilance at all on what the Portuguese police say, then you're not thinking clearly.

They screwed up the early part of the investigation and they then went into damage limitation mode.

Rolfe.

LOL and there it is, the ******** racism that the british media pushed down your throat and you swallowed it.

 

[mushy]

Actually, how can you call yourself a skeptic. You do realise you are saying, the whole police are corrupt and not to pay any attention to the official reports and evidence?

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