Ed Madeleine McCann Mystery

There's one thing wrong with that. "Benadryl" seems to be an OTC anti-allergy preparation. OK to recommend a parent use that, no need for a prescription.

But if the parent is a doctor, ten to one they'd use temazepam. I'm open to correction on this, but temazepam is pretty safe in that situation. But then again, it's a POM, so if they did give it to any of their kids they could be in trouble.

I think the whole idea is a bit daft though. Maybe someone had given the kids temazepam, and maybe that would make certain people a bit defensive and secretive, but it wouldn't have had any bearing on an abduction scenario. Except maybe making it less likely any of the children would wake. Which could make certain people feel very guilty.

But if anything like that happened, it's a peripheral wrinkle in a way. And it's nothing but baseless innuendo.

Rolfe.
 
The obvious answer is the one the McCanns least want to believe ie. she was abducted by a paedophile and killed. Clearly it wasn't kidnapping otherwise there'd be a random demand. There may be black market in children but I agree with OP that, if so, they'd take the kids.

Unfortunately, when kids go missing like this they either return within 48 hours or they get found in a ditch. The only "mystery" here is that the body hasn't been found, and that's really not so incredible. I don't see a motive for the McCanns doing it, there's not a shred of evidence that they did and if they did you would expect them to have STFU about it long before now.
 
truethat said:
So I'm curious how a pedophile would do something like that in a crowded hotel with security and people walking up to check on the door every few minutes or so. (According the McCanns) seems pretty risky of a place to do it.
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Not really. Its a hotel. People walk in and out all the time. You are safe until you have actualy comitted the crime. So walk up grab the kid and scram is a viable approach.
 
The reason the McCanns weren't charged is because there wasn't any
evidence they were the perpetrators. That's the way the law works. It's not perfect, but it's the best we can do.

Evidently some people weren't satisfied by the outcome in this particular case, but I wonder how they would do things differently? Trial by media and mob rule? No thanks.

Besides, if I were accused of a crime and the investigation was dropped, then I would hate to be on the end of nasty innuendo and rumours based on speculation. It seems only fair to extend that to the McCanns.

I can only assume that the people who make dire accusations against the McCanns would be happy to be on the end of hate campaigns if they were ever accused of murder. Either that or they're simply hypocrites. Or possibly just stupid.
 
Skepdan said:
The reason the McCanns weren't charged is because there wasn't any
evidence they were the perpetrators. That's the way the law works. It's not perfect, but it's the best we can do.

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To be slightly picky - it may not be that there wasn't any evidence it could be that their wasn't enough evidence to move to a charge and prosecution. Not saying that is the case just pointing it out.
 
Rolfe said:
There's one thing wrong with that. "Benadryl" seems to be an OTC anti-allergy preparation. OK to recommend a parent use that, no need for a prescription.

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Many anti-histamines can cause drowsiness, the active ingredient in Nytol - a sleep aid - is an anti-histamine that used to used for hayfever and the like but it has the side effect of drowsiness, even in adults (it's diphenhydramine hydrochloride) - I remember taking it as a kid for hayfever and it would zonk me out.

ETA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diphenhydramine
 
Yes, that's what I mean. These antihistamines can be used as OTC sleep aids for that effect. Doctors would probably use something different though. Temazepam is actually safer, it's just that it's a POM because of the dependency and substance abuse issues.

Rolfe.
 
geni said:
Not really. Its a hotel. People walk in and out all the time. You are safe until you have actualy comitted the crime. So walk up grab the kid and scram is a viable approach.
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A kid is not a puppy. And little girls have pitches that can shatter glass. I doubt very much a perp would risk abducting a little girl without something to keep her quiet. I do know it happens though, an older child might be subdued with a gun, but a kid that young would just scream her head off.


The reason I think the parents are being looked at weird is that their reaction was filled with pushing away guilt. However that may have just come from feeling guilty about leaving them alone.

I just think if you look at it logically, both the parents are doctors, they left them alone because they felt it was safe. There's no way a parent of a kid that young would think it was safe to leave them alone in the room unless they knew she wouldn't wake up. But who knows maybe she was a solid sleeper who never woke up at night once put to sleep.

I still think they drugged her though. Unless this situation was a perfect storm of circumstances, it seems like it is the most logical thing.
 
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Darat said:
Many anti-histamines can cause drowsiness, the active ingredient in Nytol - a sleep aid - is an anti-histamine that used to used for hayfever and the like but it has the side effect of drowsiness, even in adults (it's diphenhydramine hydrochloride) - I remember taking it as a kid for hayfever and it would zonk me out.

ETA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diphenhydramine
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I used to take Tylenol PM when I couldn't fall asleep. My friend pointed out that the anti-histamine in Tylenol is what knocks you out so just take Benedryl and avoid the other junk. It works like a charm.


The reason the McCanns weren't charged is because there wasn't any
evidence they were the perpetrators. That's the way the law works. It's not perfect, but it's the best we can do.

Evidently some people weren't satisfied by the outcome in this particular case, but I wonder how they would do things differently? Trial by media and mob rule? No thanks.

Besides, if I were accused of a crime and the investigation was dropped, then I would hate to be on the end of nasty innuendo and rumours based on speculation. It seems only fair to extend that to the McCanns.

I can only assume that the people who make dire accusations against the McCanns would be happy to be on the end of hate campaigns if they were ever accused of murder. Either that or they're simply hypocrites. Or possibly just stupid.
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Some people are launching a hate campaign but I'm not. I've honestly said I can see myself doing the exact same thing and they are doctors so I'm sure they were extraordinarily careful.

However part of the hate campaign is coming from the fact that these educated people left three little children alone in a hotel room. Would you call it a "hate campaign" if the child had fallen in the room and cracked her head and died? Would they still be "victims" here? Or would they be irresponsible parents? The second thing is the huge amounts of money and media circus they have created around this case. To me by putting their kids picture out there knowing she has a distinguishing eye feature, they pretty much sealed her fate. If someone did abduct a child then they would certainly have no choice but to kill here. There'd be no way they could keep her alive.
 
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It is a known fact that Mrs Fenn, the Lady who lived above the McCanns Apartment
testified that two nights before Madeleiene went missing she was heard crying for over
an Hour. Madeleiene asked her Parents the next morning why they didn"t come when she cried but in Kate"s words in a T.V. interview she said "we thought it was something and nothing". The Parents went out that night and the night Madeleiene went "missing". I
believe Madeleiene died accidentally in the Apartment but the sticking point is how her
body was disposed of, the Portugese believe her body was thrown into the Sea from
nearby cliffs.There are many reports on the Case from Witnesses and the released files
by the Portugese Judiciary have been translated to English and can be seen in various
Forums. Within 12 days of Madeleiene"s disappearance a Private Company was set up to
receive donations from the Public supposedly to search for the child, the News of the
World offered £1.5 million for information leading to her whereabouts, half the World has
seen supposed sightings of her, later proved groundless so it is hard to imagine she is still
alive.
 
If they threw her into the sea, I'm pretty sure the body would have washed back up. The only thing that doesn't make sense as to the parents guilt, is how they could have disposed of her body without getting caught.

Also I don't think a normal parent would do that to their child's body. This is why I disagree with those who say the Ramsey's killed Jon Benet. As a parent I can't imagine being able to do something to my dead child's body and not completely lose my mind afterward.

So I'm thinking it's the double dosing issue. That seems to be a combination of why it feels so weird and the evidence.

Also to point out that they could lose their medical licenses if it came out that they did this. So they have a motivation not to say anything.
 
I actually find a discussion like this on a public forum quite offensive, even though it isn't against the MA. The McCanns are real people who have lost their daughter. Imagine for a minute that it was exactly what it appears to be, an opportunistic abduction. Is this sort of speculation really what you would like to hear from complete strangers if you were in their position?

I admit to having had similar discussions IRL, in private. I came to the conclusion it was conspiracy theorising, and quite without foundation. The Portuguese police screwed up the search for Madeleine big time, and went after the parents as a defence mechanism. There seems to me to be no substance in their allegations.

And yes, I go with Occam's razor. And I also think that anyone who wants to criticise the parents for leaving the children alone in what they believed was a safe place may have a point, but also consider how they have been punished and whether malicious gossip from complete strangers on the internet is really constructive.

Rolfe.
 
I kind of see what you mean. I feel the same way with the Jon Benet Ramsey case when people are discussing how her parents probably tied her up and garroted her face down which is why the front of her pjs were peed on. I was shocked that they felt comfortable just discussing such horrific accusations.

However the difference is that in Ramsey's case, if they are not guilty then someone actually came in their house and did this to them and their daughter and they are absolute victims who don't deserve any of it.

However I don't understand why the McCann's have not been arrested for leaving their children alone the way they did.

There have been cases where a mother left her baby in the car while she worked right inside at a restaurant, because she couldn't get a baby sitter. The baby died and the mother is sitting in jail right now. That's the exact same kind of negligence.

Additionally they have pushed for a campaign with their daughter and pushed and pushed it into the limelight. Of course people are going to discuss it. It's a mystery. If you are offended please feel free to ignore the thread.
 
Oh, I'll ignore it. But someone had to make the point I made, I think.

What the McCanns did in leaving the children is something regrettable in hindsight, but they're hardly the only people to have done that. Not quite the same as leaving a baby in a car to cook. I'm ambivalent. I know parents who damn them as negligent and unworthy of any sympathy. I think about how they've already been punished.

But saying all that, to pick up the Portuguese police's ridiculous fabrications and run with them is unworthy, in my opinion.

Rolfe.
 
truethat said:
However I don't understand why the McCann's have not been arrested for leaving their children alone the way they did.
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And what law did they break? My wife and I left our first son alone in a motel room while we went to dinner at the motel. Should we be arrested?

This thread is pointless speculation without evidence, and I too find it distasteful.
 
Rolfe said:
Oh, I'll ignore it. But someone had to make the point I made, I think.

What the McCanns did in leaving the children is something regrettable in hindsight, but they're hardly the only people to have done that. Not quite the same as leaving a baby in a car to cook. I'm ambivalent. I know parents who damn them as negligent and unworthy of any sympathy. I think about how they've already been punished.

But saying all that, to pick up the Portuguese police's ridiculous fabrications and run with them is unworthy, in my opinion.

Rolfe.
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Lovely. You're calling out and defending educated adults who left their kids alone so they could get drunk.

But criticizing a woman who in desperation took her child to work with her because she was desperate.

You had me until the bolded. Thank you for being the person who stood up and said something and then two breaths later made a mockery out of the tragic death of an infant by a parent who "really did" make a tragic mistake.

Now back to our regularly scheduled program. :cool:
 
lionking said:
And what law did they break? My wife and I left our first son alone in a motel room while we went to dinner at the motel. Should we be arrested?

This thread is pointless speculation without evidence, and I too find it distasteful.
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You left a three year old alone in the hotel room? With two other babies?


I'm just speculated out of "solving a mystery" type interest.

However, as I asked earlier, if the child had been left alone and wondered out of the room and drowned in the pool? or fallen and broken her neck in the bathroom as her parents had drinks and fun around the corner, you'd still feel sorry for them?

I think not. If the parents are getting persecuted it is definitely because they deserve it. If a poor black woman had done the exact same thing I can guarantee you that woman would be in jail right now and her other two children removed from her care.
 
If I was wrong about what happened to the baby in the case you cited, I apologise. However, we all know dogs die in hot cars, and so do babies. Leaving a baby or a dog in a car in that situation is a lot different from leaving them tucked up comfortably in bed. That is not a tragic "mistake". It is manslaughter.

And I was not mocking.

Now, let's look at your attitude. The McCanns were having dinner in the hotel restaurant with others in their party. You characterise this as "left their kids alone so they could get drunk".

Meh. I'm done with this. You want to go on badmouthing and conspiracy theorising, in public where they can read it, about a couple who did something unwise which has nevertheless been done by many many other parents with no harm resulting, carry on.

Rolfe.
 
truethat said:
Lovely. You're calling out and defending educated adults who left their kids alone so they could get drunk.

But criticizing a woman who in desperation took her child to work with her because she was desperate.

You had me until the bolded. Thank you for being the person who stood up and said something and then two breaths later made a mockery out of the tragic death of an infant by a parent who "really did" make a tragic mistake.

Now back to our regularly scheduled program. :cool:
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Now this is just unbelieveble. Leaving a baby in a car all day is absolute negligance, and people are prosecuted for it in Australia. Any parent knows this. There's hardly any circumstance I can think of where this wouldn't do a young child harm. Leaving children in a hotel room is almost always safe.
 
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