Ed Madeleine McCann Mystery

Information Analyst said:
None as far as I know.
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So what are you suggesting happened then, other than a vague insinuation that he wasn't "taken"?

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Information Analyst said:
I wouldn't think it was particularly healthy or constructive, considering he's most likey dead.
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That may be true, however considering no evidence of foul play at the scene he was most certainly abducted. The likelihood of his current state doesn't enter into that conclusion.
 
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Information Analyst said:
I wouldn't think it was particularly healthy or constructive, considering he's most likey dead.
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Maybe. But is that a reason to dismiss the possibility?

It's not as if abducted children don't turn up years later, when they manage to escape their abductors. We had two occurences in Austria some years ago and one this year in the US.
 
Skepticemea said:
So what are you suggesting happened then, other than a vague insinuation that he wasn't "taken"?

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That may be true, however considering no evidence of foul play at the scene he was most certainly abducted. The likelihood of his current state doesn't enter into that conclusion.
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Try reading the article I linked to it. It's not rocket science.
 
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erwinl said:
Maybe. But is that a reason to dismiss the possibility?

It's not as if abducted children don't turn up years later, when they manage to escape their abductors. We had two occurences in Austria some years ago and one this year in the US.
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As per my post #700, it's highly unlikely that he was abducted, and the area where he went missing was never properly serached, either at the time, or subsequently. Undiscovered miasadventure is far more plausible that the usual racist gypsy-kidnapping fantasies.
 
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Information Analyst said:
As per my post #700, it's highly unlikely that he was abducted, and the area where he went missing was never properly serached, either at the time, or subsequently. Undiscovered miasadventure is far more plausible that the usual racist gypsy-kidnapping fantasies.
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Both are possible. That's why both have to be investigated, as well as the possibility the child has been killed. Not doing one investigation correct does not mean the other options automatically get less possible.

The usual racist gypsy-kidnapping fantasies? Where does that come from?
It's not one of the cases I was referring to.
 
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If a person only has straws to clutch regarding a missing child, I can't find it in my heart to blame them for grabbing at anything that they feel has even an outside chance for them to get some answers.

All the people asking for their DNA to be tested against that of the child 'Maria' are in that dreadful position of having had a child go missing (or in one case, were told that the child was dead at birth despite never seeing the child's body and there being nothing in the grave). It might be straw-clutching but it's all they have.
 
Agatha said:
If a person only has straws to clutch regarding a missing child, I can't find it in my heart to blame them for grabbing at anything that they feel has even an outside chance for them to get some answers.

All the people asking for their DNA to be tested against that of the child 'Maria' are in that dreadful position of having had a child go missing (or in one case, were told that the child was dead at birth despite never seeing the child's body and there being nothing in the grave). It might be straw-clutching but it's all they have.
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True. And some people forget that this is all those parents may have left of their children. That small, very small chance, that they will turn up after all.
 
Information Analyst said:
Searching in one particular place and finding nothing in an area that was hardly searched at all in the first place? The whole point is that abduction is highly unlikely due to the location. A car approaching the farmhouse would have been a) heard, and/or b) seen by the departing brother/uncle, and the latter would also apply to anyone approaching on foot. This is even apart from the unliklihood of any supposed abductor speculatively targetting a relatively isolated farmhouse with such intent.

When it was realised Ben was missing, the family only searched in a specific direction, and the police did not search the area that was not covered (i.e. most of it) retrospectively. The next ferry was not due to leave until five hours are Ben disappeared, so any supposed abductor would not have attempted to leave by it, as they would have assumed the alarm would have been raised by then.
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I think we are arguing past each other. Madeleine McCann was more likely abducted than Ben Needham. But in fact we do not know for sure what happened to either of them, s no possibility should be completely ruled out.
 
Agatha said:
If a person only has straws to clutch regarding a missing child, I can't find it in my heart to blame them for grabbing at anything that they feel has even an outside chance for them to get some answers.

All the people asking for their DNA to be tested against that of the child 'Maria' are in that dreadful position of having had a child go missing (or in one case, were told that the child was dead at birth despite never seeing the child's body and there being nothing in the grave). It might be straw-clutching but it's all they have.
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Well as it turns out:

DNA tests on Dublin Roma girl 'show she is part of family'
 
erwinl said:
Both are possible. That's why both have to be investigated, as well as the possibility the child has been killed. Not doing one investigation correct does not mean the other options automatically get less possible.
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The point in the Ben Needham case is that misadventure was never properly investigated by virtue of the local police fixating on the family, and thus never bothering to search the area where he disappeared. Event he retrospective search last years was only in one specific location.

The usual racist gypsy-kidnapping fantasies? Where does that come from?
It's not one of the cases I was referring to.
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The Ben Needham case is very much purported to be one, especially by his parents.
 
uvar said:
'Maria' is the girl taken from the couple in Greece, not Dublin, and her DNA didn't match her parents. I don't think anyone is claiming gypsies took Madeleine anyway?
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A number of media outlets had been rather hysterically suggesting parallels with the Dublin case and another of a young boy. As the article explains in both cases the child turned out to belong the family they were found with.
 
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