Lynchings in Haiti

[Donal]

Go on youtube and search for witch burning. Go onto BBC. Saerch for the same.

No, that is not how it works around here. You make the claim ,you back it up.

Slicing two part which go together in context. Nice tactic but easy to spot on.

Well, if you stopped using tthe tactic of cramming so much crap into a small space, I wouldn't have to break it down step by step to show you how wrong you are.

There is next to never a proof a SPECIFIC religious group started it,

Awesome, so you really bring nothing to the conversation.

because individual starts it, and the cathos as a whole , like ANY other religious group, assign bad action to individual but good outcome to god.

That has nothing to do with religion. Any time you have opposing philosophies, you will get each side claiming the victories and blaming the other for the failures.

You may refuse to see that, but there are a few thread example of this here. Like the girl saved in the crash, or the baby saved by doctor on Christmas.

You refuse to accept it, your problem. But any of us can see your refusal for what it is.

Ya, they see me asking for proof on a skeptics' forum.

And keep using your cute little nickname. Did it come out of the same dictionary as USian?

 

[Donal]

Oops. Was I being bigoted? Sorry for that.

Yes, you were and still are.

 

[fishbob]

Notice that who is being lynched is reported, but who is doing the lynching is left out.
While Haiti is known for Voodoo, it is a small minority religion. The vast majority are Christian, and the vast majority of Christians are Catholics. This is, essentially, a witch panic, like the one in Salem and many others in the past (see, e.g., The Demon Haunted World by Carl Sagan for more info on witch panics).

Officials: 45 people lynched in Haiti amid cholera fears

When you gotta have a lynching, handy is easier than guilty.

One non-voodoo culprit.

Another one.

And a couple more.

 

[MG1962]

Oops. Was I being bigoted? Sorry for that.

So Puppy is it your contention that anyone who shook hands with Hitler was actually a supporter of him and his policies?

 

[USEagle13]

So Puppy is it your contention that anyone who shook hands with Hitler was actually a supporter of him and his policies?

I vote yes. A handshake is usually a show of favor. The fact that it is a business deal or a show a friendship does not matter. I mean honestly if you met Charles Manson would you shake the dudes hand? Hopefully you would rebuke him.

Catholic church gained a lot more power, influence, and became a city state by simply sitting on the sidelines to say and do nothing while many atrocities were committed.

That is one undeniable fact only a Nazi or socialist would not agree on. I even know people whom are Catholic today whom "actually" realize that.

It was a shocker to me when they elected a former Nazi-Hitler youth student. I know we should forgive everyone but we should never "forget." There was some hardcore brainwashing going on there that makes the CTs look like Walt Disney movies.

Seems like to most people they are under the assumption WWII never happened.

I seriously hope that in future conflicts the USA will bring back the draft. Maybe then citizens will stop acting like spoiled brats, learn what defending liberty is all about and wake up to reality.

 

[Hallo Alfie]

I vote yes. A handshake is usually a show of favor. The fact that it is a business deal or a show a friendship does not matter. I mean honestly if you met Charles Manson would you shake the dudes hand?

Before or after you knew he committed atrocities?

 

[kerikiwi]

Catholic church gained a lot more power, influence, and became a city state by simply sitting on the sidelines to say and do nothing while many atrocities were committed.

Could you remind us when the Vatican became a city state, and list 5 atrocities which took place while the Catholic Church 'sat on the sidelines'? (Unless you think 5 is not enough to be described as 'many', in which case feel free to list more.)
And, for balance and fairness name a few churches which didn't sit on the sidelines?

 

[Puppycow]

So Puppy is it your contention that anyone who shook hands with Hitler was actually a supporter of him and his policies?

Not necessarily in all cases, but notice what he's wearing on his chest.

Maybe you can see it a little better in this shot.

There's also ones of them giving the Nazi salute.

 

[kerikiwi]

Not necessarily in all cases, but notice what he's wearing on his chest.

Maybe you can see it a little better in this shot.

There's also ones of them giving the Nazi salute.

What is he wearing on his chest?

 

[Aepervius]

No, that is not how it works around here. You make the claim ,you back it up.

I did. I will not hold your hand and lead you to the video by "googling" it for you. Just go to www.google.com and enter "christian witch burning africa" click ont he first or second link.

Well, if you stopped using tthe tactic of cramming so much crap into a small space, I wouldn't have to break it down step by step to show you how wrong you are.
Awesome, so you really bring nothing to the conversation.

You bring even less.

That has nothing to do with religion. Any time you have opposing philosophies, you will get each side claiming the victories and blaming the other for the failures.

Now we come to it. Religion has PERFECTED that art. The no true Scotsman is used daily by religious people of all ilk to "excuse" the bad things, but "co-opt" the good one. Your refusal to admit that is another side of that art. Only when religion accept that the dealings of their believer is their responsibility instead of pushing it onto the individual level, should they be allowed to claim the good things. Usually they don't do it.

Bottom line, is that it is not *surprising* if the lynching was started by christian, "suffer no witch" after all, but there would be next to no evidence of that in the media, short of going to find each of the individual and check their confession. Probability law is enough to say that there were a lot of christian, and they almost certainly started it, as after all christian seems to make up 95% of the population depending on the statistics (wanna get a reference ? well here you are http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiti#Religion 80% cathos 16% protestant). It ain't that much an extraordinary claim seeing all the other crap christian pull. Christian are *in average* just normal people no more no less moral than the average population.

So was the lynchage started by christian ? We can be about 95% sure of that.

 

[Puppycow]

What is he wearing on his chest?

Some kind of Nazi decoration.

 

[Puppycow]

How about this?

Is there a benign explanation for that?

 

[Hallo Alfie]

They are waving to the nuns.

 

[Donal]

Some kind of Nazi decoration.

Are you referring to the cross on his chest? Because that would be like calling Charlie Chaplin a Nazi because he sported Hitler's mustache.

How about this?

Is there a benign explanation for that?

When was that picture taken?

 

[Donal]

I did. I will not hold your hand and lead you to the video by "googling" it for you. Just go to www.google.com and enter "christian witch burning africa" click ont he first or second link.

No. It is your job to back up your claims. Since you have no interest in rational discussion, I see no more need to address you. You can have the last word if you wish.

 

[Aepervius]

No. It is your job to back up your claims. Since you have interest in rational discussion, I see no more need to address you. You can have the last word if you wish.

I certainly got the last word since you refused to address the crux of the point, about 95% of christian in haiti.

And when something is the first link or second link in google, and people stubbornly refuse to check for themselves, I draw my conclusion too. But hey, feel free to make it as if you were the only rational person.

 

[kerikiwi]

Some kind of Nazi decoration.

Can you be specific? "some kind" is a little too vague.

 

[Puppycow]

Can you be specific? "some kind" is a little too vague.

The man on the left is Benedictine abbot Albanus Schachleiter (see this photo too) and the man on the right is Ludwig Muller. Exactly what the name of those decorations are, I could not find because the resolution is not high enough and I could not find an exhaustive list of Nazi decorations (the circular one on top could be a Nazi party badge though), but there is no doubt that the man was in fact a supporter of Hitler.

He remained committed to Nazism to the end. He committed suicide in 1945, soon after the Nazi defeat.

 

[Donal]

I actually know what those symbols are. Here's a hint: stop looking for Nazi symbols.

Also, Muller wasn't a Catholic priest. He only seems to be identified as a Christian. He got his position as head of Hitler's new national church because he cozied up to Hitler but wasn't of much use politically or militarily. And he wasn't accepted by many of the clergy, because he was a political choice and the Reichchurch itself was offensive.

Seriously, all of that was in the Wikipedia article you linked. Did you even read it? Or did you jsut cherry pick the stuff you think supports your bigotry?

 

[USEagle13]

Darwin's family was also in Hitlers regime. He helped establish their "evolution"...eugenics requirements.

So no Darwin no Nazi eugenics program....CrAzY!




From suxwiki

Eugenics
For more details on this topic, see Eugenics.

Darwin was interested by his half-cousin Francis Galton's argument, introduced in 1865, that statistical analysis of heredity showed that moral and mental human traits could be inherited, and principles of animal breeding could apply to humans. In The Descent of Man Darwin noted that aiding the weak to survive and have families could lose the benefits of natural selection, but cautioned that withholding such aid would endanger the instinct of sympathy, "the noblest part of our nature", and factors such as education could be more important. When Galton suggested that publishing research could encourage intermarriage within a "caste" of "those who are naturally gifted", Darwin foresaw practical difficulties, and thought it "the sole feasible, yet I fear utopian, plan of procedure in improving the human race", preferring to simply publicise the importance of inheritance and leave decisions to individuals.[157]

Galton named the field of study "eugenics" in 1883, after Darwin's death, and developed biometrics. Eugenics movements were widespread at a time when Darwin's natural selection was eclipsed by Mendelian genetics, and in some countries compulsory sterilisation laws were imposed, the most famous of which were in Nazi Germany. It has been largely abandoned throughout the world.[V]