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Lynchings in Haiti

Puppycow

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Notice that who is being lynched is reported, but who is doing the lynching is left out.
While Haiti is known for Voodoo, it is a small minority religion. The vast majority are Christian, and the vast majority of Christians are Catholics. This is, essentially, a witch panic, like the one in Salem and many others in the past (see, e.g., The Demon Haunted World by Carl Sagan for more info on witch panics).

Officials: 45 people lynched in Haiti amid cholera fears

Port Au Prince, Haiti (CNN) -- At least 45 people, most of them voodoo priests, have been lynched in Haiti since the beginning of the cholera epidemic by angry mobs blaming them for the spread of the disease, officials said.
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The victims have been targeted because of "misinformation" that had been circulating in the community that voodoo practitioners were spreading cholera by using witchcraft, according to communications Minister Marie-Laurence Lassegue.
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Puppycow said:
Notice that who is being lynched is reported, but who is doing the lynching is left out.
While Haiti is known for Voodoo, it is a small minority religion. The vast majority are Christian, and the vast majority of Christians are Catholics. This is, essentially, a witch panic, like the one in Salem and many others in the past (see, e.g., The Demon Haunted World by Carl Sagan for more info on witch panics).

Officials: 45 people lynched in Haiti amid cholera fears
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Actually, according to the CIA World Factbook, even though 80% identify as Catholic, about half of all Haitians still practice Voodoo.

Besides, Voodoo isn't so much as an organized doctrine of beliefs regarding God as it is various cultural traditions patched together from several sources. Well, according to my friends who are actually Haitian, anyway.


So, what exactly is your point?
 
Yeah, it'll be the Catholic Church's fault. Somehow.
Along with puppies being run over, and people biting their own mouths.
 
Donal said:
Actually, according to the CIA World Factbook, even though 80% identify as Catholic, about half of all Haitians still practice Voodoo.

Besides, Voodoo isn't so much as an organized doctrine of beliefs regarding God as it is various cultural traditions patched together from several sources. Well, according to my friends who are actually Haitian, anyway.


So, what exactly is your point?
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Vodun, Santeria, Candomble, and other similar belief systems are largely a fusion of Catholicism with animistic African (mostly Yoruba) beliefs. They found that the semi-pantheistic Catholic roster of Saints fit in nicely with their traditional Orixas.
 
Donal said:
So, what exactly is your point?
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plumjam said:
Yeah, it'll be the Catholic Church's fault. Somehow.
Along with puppies being run over, and people biting their own mouths.
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Who exactly do you suppose is behind these lynchings?

A little history for you:

The Malleus Maleficarum[2] (Latin for "The Hammer of Witches", or "Der Hexenhammer" in German) is a famous treatise on witches, written in 1486 by Heinrich Kramer, an Inquisitor of the Catholic Church, and was first published in Germany in 1487.[3]
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Puppycow said:
Who exactly do you suppose is behind these lynchings?

A little history for you:
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So, an edict from 423 years ago explains this? Then why haven't the Catholics been lynching the Voodoo practitioners for the last 200+ years? Other than the fact the the Catholics are practicing Voodoo.

Or better yet, do you have nay proof that it is a Catholic initiative? Like something said by someone who is still alive? Some kind of physical evidence?

Or can I request a mod put this in the Land of Woo?
 
Donal said:
So, an edict from 423 years ago explains this? Then why haven't the Catholics been lynching the Voodoo practitioners for the last 200+ years? Other than the fact the the Catholics are practicing Voodoo.

Or better yet, do you have nay proof that it is a Catholic initiative? Like something said by someone who is still alive? Some kind of physical evidence?

Or can I request a mod put this in the Land of Woo?
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The same thing happened after the earthquake and they had people saying on TV that it was because they offended God. Don't you think that priests tell people that Voodoo makes the baby Jesus cry? Also 96% of Haitians are Christian. I think that makes the odds that Christians did it at least 96% to begin with.
 
Donal said:
So, an edict from 423 years ago explains this? Then why haven't the Catholics been lynching the Voodoo practitioners for the last 200+ years? Other than the fact the the Catholics are practicing Voodoo.

Or better yet, do you have nay proof that it is a Catholic initiative? Like something said by someone who is still alive? Some kind of physical evidence?

Or can I request a mod put this in the Land of Woo?
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There have been witch burning by catho in the last 200 years, just not in western europe; predominantely in other continent.

As for proof it is a catho initiative; tehre probably isn't; remember; when stuff turn vinegar ; the catho; as well as any other religious group it isn't a catho things only, always accuse "individuals" bad action, and when good stuff happens , it is god or whatever. See for example the "baby is saved" christmas miracle stuff.

Business as usual.
 
Puppycow said:
The same thing happened after the earthquake and they had people saying on TV that it was because they offended God. Don't you think that priests tell people that Voodoo makes the baby Jesus cry? Also 96% of Haitians are Christian. I think that makes the odds that Christians did it at least 96% to begin with.
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That always happens. After 9/11, the annual wildfires out West, and pretty much any horrible thing happens someone says "this is God's will because you offended Him". And the overwhelming response is "shut up, jack ass.

Do you have any actual proof that this is somehow organized by the Catholic Church? Any at all, other than your own painfully ignorant opinion?

And I'm willing to bet 100% of the lynchings are carried out by humans.
 
Aepervius said:
There have been witch burning by catho in the last 200 years, just not in western europe; predominantely in other continent.
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Linky? You know, some actual documented proof?

As for proof it is a catho initiative; tehre probably isn't;
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Great, then you have nothing to add other than insane, bigoted and incomprehensible ramblings.

remember; when stuff turn vinegar ; the catho; as well as any other religious group it isn't a catho things only, always accuse "individuals" bad action, and when good stuff happens , it is god or whatever. See for example the "baby is saved" christmas miracle stuff.

Business as usual.
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And there we have it.
 
fuelair said:
Either way, I think I'll skip any more donations there.
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Puppycow said:
I donated money after the earthquake, but stories like this one and this one don't make me want to donate any more.
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I would really advise against reacting that way.

As awful as it is, you have several dozen people out of a population of ten million. It's unfair to write off the majority based on the barbaric acts of a tiny minority.

People, especially Christians, who suffer tragedies and who are powerless to change their lot turn to the supernatural as a way to explain their suffering and to lend them at least the illusion of control. This is just as true in the United States as it is in Haiti, the only real difference being that the United States is more wealthy and better at dealing with such large scale events.

I wouldn't judge Haitians too harshly.
 
Mycroft said:
I would really advise against reacting that way.

As awful as it is, you have several dozen people out of a population of ten million. It's unfair to write off the majority based on the barbaric acts of a tiny minority.
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Indeed.

This sort of stuff has gone on in Haiti for centuries. If it's a bad idea to contribute to Haiti now, it was an equally bad idea the day after the earthquake.

Now that I think about it, violence born of ignorance is something I expect to see in most all third world countries. If it's a good idea not to help the people of Haiti, it's an equally good idea not to help the people of any third world country.
 
varwoche said:
Now that I think about it, violence born of ignorance is something I expect to see in most all
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It is not non-existent in first world countries either: abortion clinic murders anyone?
Beating gays?
Killing people during exorcism?
I'm sure there are plenty more.
 
Haiti was like this 75 years ago. Haiti will be like this 100 years from now. Give them 100 billion dollars and it won't change. Bring back Papa Doc.
 
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