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Lucianarchy and remote viewing

Seems that its a bit of troublesome area that Ladybrook. I'll tell you what I'm going to predict that something will happen in Brixton (suburb of london) within the next 24 hrs that will make the news somewhere.
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Sorry, juninho, but you have commited a cardinal sin if you are going to be a psychic.

You got specific and potentially cornered yourself with the 24 hour part.

If you had left it at "london", you might have a better chance.

;) :D
 
Lucianarchy said:


You seem to miss the point, Buki. I have said, many, many times now, that I often get an impression, a 'bolt from the blue', a compelling word or name. I didn't have the impression of the words 'new york' or 'iraq'. It was 'ladybrook'. It wasn't 'ladybrook bus bomb hijack police station'. You are retrospectively fishing, Buki, if they had occured in ladybrook, then it would be mildy interesting, that's all. The fact is, that it wasn't, and it certainly wasn't a grass fire or a power cut, but a terrorist attack using a hijacked bus packed with explosives, driven through a residential area, en-route to a police station. I find it highly significant and self-evident. I am quite happy for you to draw whatever conclusion you want from that.
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No, I have to say I don't find it highly significant or self-evident. So what if it was an attempted terrorist attack? My point that you seem to be missing is that the way you posted, it could have been anything. It could have been a grass fire or a power cut, we (and you, I might add) simply don't know. And I'm still wondering if, had it been any of those things, you would have taken credit as you have for this terrorist thing.

I mean seriously, Luci, you gave us NOTHING. In fact, there is certainly more than one place named Ladybrook, as juninho pointed out. But you didn't even bother to mention if it was a town or city or any kind of geographical location at all!

Please note that I have not nor am I accusing you of cheating, since I really don't know nor do I care at this point if you did or not. The simple fact is, all you did was type out a single word with no clarifying circumstances, then expected us to believe you used psychic powers in some way. I'm sorry, but I cannot find this reasonable.
 
juninho said:

I'll tell you what I'm going to predict that something will happen in Brixton (suburb of london) within the next 24 hrs that will make the news somewhere.

The clock is ticking, its now 16:32 BST (or GMT +1) or is it 16:00 :D
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Now you're doing much more than Lucky did. You are actually making a prediction, and making it clear to everyone that you are. If something happens, then you win. However, if nothing happens you lose.

Now, if you would've just typed in "Brixton" at the end of a post, you'd be doing the Lucky thing of not making a prediction but being able to claim one if something happens. That's a win/win.

The difference being that your tactic is falsifiable, Lucky's is not because Lucky is only typing a word (which conveys NO meaning).
 
Lucianarchy said:
Alien X,

First off, I have been 'tested', perhaps you missed my earlier post regarding work for the Koestler Inst. You also need to know a bit more about RV, I suggest you go look up some of the links Dr Grenard has provided before you spout any more of your silly home-made tests. I find it hilarious that with all the charges of dishonesty, cheating etc levelled at me, you, in return, expect me to take forums members honesty at face value.:rolleyes: BTW, how you expect me to take someone who quotes a childrens cartoon in their sig seriously, I don't know, but, I can assure, I do not.

Judging by the lengths of your rants and your immature attitude, it seems that you came here and saw something you didn't like, sorry about that, but it's not my problem.
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The signature really is not relevent here, it's from an episode of Southpark which is quite a good watch anyway and happens to pertain to the subject matter of these boards.

Hmm silly little homemade tests seem to be our only course of action as proper scientific tests only show one result - and it's one which you don't like. At least a silly homemade test is better than nothing and it would certainly be more searching and reliable than a random word on a message board.

I can assure you the only thing I don't like is the total lack of proper methodology and the refusal of all these people to be tested properly - those that have been fail.

The main point I feel is not the integrity of the boards posters but that of people who claim and charge money for services with serious question marks over them.

Also if you dislike all the people here so much why do you bother - goto a site where people agree with you and praise your supposed impressive abilities.

AX
 
Hal has said that if you edit a post within 2 minutes of first posting it, you do not get an "laste edited..." message.

OK. Now that's settled.
 
juninho said:


That is, of course, IF you believe she didn't edit the message, I don't.
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Hal has said that if you edit a post within 2 minutes of first posting it, you do not get an "laste edited..." message.

I did not edit the post.

Now what, juninho? Terrorist suspect? Lucky guess? :rolleyes:
 
Nothing, Luci, now nothing. You simply wrote a word. It wasn't a prediction. You didn't claim it as "RV" until after an event happened.

You are simply trying to get praise for doing.. nothing.

Toride.
 
CFLarsen said:
Lucianarchy,

What exactly is your claim re. "Ladybrook"?
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Nobody else can really see any specific valid claim only Luci and one or two others.

The word "Ladybrook" appeared in one of Luci's posts apparently prior to some terrorist incident in Ladybrook. It must be noted that nothing else but the word appeared at the end of one of Luci's posts (In other words it didn't mention it was a premenition etc just the word - on it's own with no context of terrorism etc) but apparently it's being claimed as RV or precognition -- not sure what was the claimed method as it is irrelevent.

There is some argument over timings and post editing after the (cough) event.

Me personally i would say Luci did NOT cheat and edit ;-), if that was the case you would expect something alot higher than a 1 out of 10 on the impressive sale. I would have settled for Ladybrook + Terrorism + Today then i would have been a bit more interested.

Something else that need to be considered is blogs, never used em but they are on the rise and they often have material way before many of the standard other news sources.

It's all a bit of a non event really but people are taking a true skeptics approach and thinking of ways it could have been fixed etc and Luci doesn't like this it seems. The fact that many so called phychics have been caught cheating in the past seems not to be considered - I certainly consider it and so it seems does everyone else because of the history of cheating in general.

I think we need is someone who thinks they are phychic but are a little bit more open to the possibility that they really are not. Then we could try out some tests without any pram shaking or dummy spitting from either side ;-). Anyway Luci won't partake in any of these "silly" little tests as none of us can be trusted apparently.

AlienX
 
Hal has said that if you edit a post within 2 minutes of first posting it, you do not get an "laste edited..." message.
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And Pyrrho said that you can edit a post at any time until the post is read, and not get the "last edited".

To be honest I find that doubtful but I'm going to assume Pyrrho's got his facts straight.

David
 
thaiboxerken said:


Now you're doing much more than Lucky did. You are actually making a prediction, and making it clear to everyone that you are. If something happens, then you win. However, if nothing happens you lose.

Now, if you would've just typed in "Brixton" at the end of a post, you'd be doing the Lucky thing of not making a prediction but being able to claim one if something happens. That's a win/win.

The difference being that your tactic is falsifiable, Lucky's is not because Lucky is only typing a word (which conveys NO meaning).
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Try,

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3091949.stm

I'll take my applause now and that was just a quick search.
 
juninho said:


Try,

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3091949.stm

I'll take my applause now and that was just a quick search.
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Now that IS impressive. You actually made a big deal about your prediction and it came true. Even though you placed yourself in a falsifiable spot, you've come through. This shows that your RV skills are superior to Luci, who will only write one word down.
 
thaiboxerken said:


Now that IS impressive. You actually made a big deal about your prediction and it came true. Even though you placed yourself in a falsifiable spot, you've come through. This shows that your RV skills are superior to Luci, who will only write one word down.
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Now I think I'll just ring-up the CIA as I think I can see where a fat ageing moustached gentleman may be hiding....
 
juninho said:


Try,

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3091949.stm

I'll take my applause now and that was just a quick search.
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But juninho, that news item has nothing to do with attempted terrorists, or failed terrorists, or terrorists with a dream!

Oh wait, you didn't predict anything about terrorism. Just like Lucianarchy. :D


(I'm on heavy cold medication, so I'm feeling a bit silly today. Tally ho!)
 
SteveGrenard said:
Clausen asks for evidence of statements made abut the Dozier Kidnapping and Remote Viewing. You can enter these in Google and get that "evidence." Here are a few snippets and their sources. Clausen still hasn't gone on the record with what he considers evidence so folks keeping count can consider this the 40th or 50th time he asks for evidence but refuses to specify what constitutes that evidence. I hope the following helps in placing this story in context and provides the "evidence" at the very least that the kidnapping ocurred, it was RV'd by the U.S government and that most if not all (there are discrepancies in some minor internal details) of information proved veridical.

I mentioned the Dozier kidnapping to Claus a few weeks ago He immediately wrote back and said I was witholding information from the police and should contact them immediately with that info. He probably forgot. I ignored him. Its not that important, just typical of his knee jerk reactions to jump on me re this subject.

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Washington Post
30 December 1996
Military Psychic Unit's 'Hits' and Misses
by Jack Anderson
and Jan Moller


(SG: snipped - much longer critical article on subject, this part refers again to the Dozier kidnapping and remote viewing input as requested by CLaus; the various press accounts all seem to
differ slightly. In the Wash Post article Dozier is chained to a wall heater; in another article below to a bed. None mention the tent which the remote viewer himself mentions in his book which just came out. He was a chained inside the tent to pipes which could have been the railings of the cot or, I suppose, hot water pipes along the back wall).


"An important U.S. Army general was kidnapped in Italy by the Red Brigades terrorists. The U.S. government pulled out all the stops, shook up every intelligence source and scanned every photo but had no luck locating the general.

"The government turned to the ghost-finders -- an ultra-secret psychic unit run by the Army under the code name "Project Grill Flame." Three psychics turned their "remote viewing" vision to find Brig. Gen. James Dozier, being held by the brutal terrorists, in late 1981.

"One remote viewer, Joe McMoneagle, was particularly successful. He zeroed in on the room where Dozier was held, chained to a wall heater. He described it, but couldn't get the house number. Yet he did get the location, the Italian city of Padua.
The information was slowly sent up the chain of command, and finally arrived on the right desk. But it didn't arrive until a day after Dozier was released -- in Padua -- in early 1982.
Some of these events are noted in a highly sensitive secret log that recorded the unit's activities from 1979 to 1989, which was obtained by our associate Dale Van Atta. In the Dozier case, Project No. 8125, it is noted that McMoneagle "provided 'Padua' eight days before [Dozier's] release." The log further brags that "all other info was confirmed during a debriefing conducted by project personnel." (end Wash Post snippet)
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This is snipped from a much larger article in the Vancouver Courier and is re the Dozier case as Larsen demands. I see from this that McMoneagle claims he can see inside darkened file cabinets so I retract my statement that Randi's non-hypothetical challenege wouldn't apply. I did state that I was not aware of a claim that fit this but I was wrong. (SG)

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Sunday June 2 1996
The Vancouver Courier

The Cold War induced powers to explore information gathering through psychic phenomena
by Geoff Olson
Contributing writer

(snipped fr much longer article)

"Under the DIA's wing, however, several successes were cited, including the finding of Brig.-Gen. James Dozier, kidnapped by the Italian Red Brigade. According to the physicist in charge of the DIA Stargate project, one remote viewer gave the name of the town where Dozier was being hid--Padua--and another gave the name of the building. Details down to the bed where Dozier was chained were apparently accurate. "

(SG: he was inside a tent chained to a cot acc to McMoneagle)


This is an account from CBS NEWS snipped from a much larger story they were doing on Remote Viewing:
June 30, 2000 - 48 HRS

(CBS) Although often treated with scientific disdain, the concept of extrasensory perception is well known throughout the world. But as 48 Hours Correspondent Harold Dow reports, a group of researchers in California say they have proof of its existence.

(snip snip snipped)

"Perhaps even more extraordinary was the case of U.S. General James Dozier, kidnapped in northern Italy by Red brigades in 1981. Remote viewer Joe McMoneagle, a Vietnam veteran, was called in.

""I named the city....I drew a street map that was about as accurate as you can get....I gave them descriptions of the building [where] he was being held," says McMoneagle. "My information didn't get there till he was released, but it probably would have resulted in his release.""

(SG) As I indicated, this information was turned over to the Italian authorities and determined to be accurate. Here information was
obtained by the RVer in the US before (8 days) Dozier was released, given to intelligence agents, but as later learned was not received by the Italian authorities until after the raid. It was verified, however.
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I know I'm reading this 9 months after the fact but I can't help it -

<FONT size=24>LOL!!!!</FONT>
:roll:

I'm laughing too hard to even respond to this!!!

But I'm confident it has already been thoroughly SMASHED by those on this forum of sound intelligence.

So... back to reading this realllllly long thread.
 
dingler: I know I'm reading this 9 months after the fact but I can't help it -



Reply: Nine months? Try 22 years. This was Larsen's mistake. He thought it was yesterday. Indicative of how well people read. The original incident ocurred late in 1981, one report above is from 1996 and the other from 2000. I cannot fathom how anyone can be so far off.
 
SteveGrenard said:
dingler: I know I'm reading this 9 months after the fact but I can't help it -



Reply: Nine months? Try 12 years. This was Larsen's mistake. He thought it was yesterday. Indicative of how well people read. The original incident ocurred late in 1981, one report above is from 1996 and the other from 2000. I cannot fathom how anyone can be so far off.
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Actually I messed up and took your Oct 2002 registration date to be the posting date. (Oct 2002 to July 2003 = 9 months) Oops.

I did understand that the kidnapping and RVing events described were from many years ago.

And where do you get 12 years anyway? 2003 - 1981 = 22 years. Try to get your math right when you're correcting other people.
 
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