'Lost Civilisations'

King of the Americas said:
So there IS NO evidence of the tools you suggest did the work, and you can't produce them, or even a single shard of ONE tool, that surely there must have been hundreds or thousands...?

LOGIC then suggests that whatever tool(s) did the work, have been lost.

Until you can produce said jewel tipped drills and saw, they will REMAIN "lost".

If there is some text you'd like to assist in re-translating, by all means give it a shot. However, from my understanding, this culture never developed a written language, so I think your talents may be wasted here.
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So you ignore the modern recreations using so-called "primitive" methods to recreate Inca stone work.

I further note there is no evidence of the "advanced" technology you claim existed. Oh and Inca building sites have produced stone tools. People do tend to clean up building sites after construction. And Tiwanaku is one really badly damaged site. Logic dictates that the builders of Tiwanaku used techniques similar to those used by the Incas. There is no reason and no evidence to support some sort of magic stone cutting technology.

I do suggest you learn something about stone working before you continue pontificating about stuff being impossible without advanced technology.

I note you have no reply to the massive evidence securely dating Tiwanaku to the period 0-1000 C.E. (A.D.)
 
King of the Americas said:
Who said it was the 'last' ice age? I merely said we don't know all of mankind's history. MUCH of it is lost. That people believe or promote the notion that 'advanced/scientific humans' are us, and have only been around for 5-6,000 years is short-sided.
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"Advanced" in terms of physiology has been for like a 100,000 years (rough). That would be pretty much all of the "last ice age" period. Before that, evolutionary changes start to become significant: braininess starts to fall off as we go back deeper. Which means in/in between ice ages before that, there'd be even less possibility of "civilization", if any. Also, there's nothing at all to suggest these ice ages were "snowball Earth" type things with glaciers covering most, or all, the continents and seas.

King of the Americas said:
So, you 'think' we've reached 'all' of the bottom of the oldest city? I predict, that you are wrong, and they will eventually find another smaller, origin encampment spot, when people VERY first started gathering there in large numbers.
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Perhaps, but that seems a far cry from giant advanced mega civilizations with lazer guns and photon torpedoes and all that.

King of the Americas said:
The town I lived in has been here for a century, at best. However, because there is a natural spring located nearby it is likely that people have lived here before. I would guess that the earliest settling here would have something to do with the age of the spring.
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Even if that were so, if whatever was there was just some little villagey thing, how is that so "major" as to make a big deal about it?

King of the Americas said:
Correa Neto's "Wooful" phrase is no different than mine... "Willful Ignorance" can be employed by Skeptics and Woo's alike. Sorry Correa Neto is a day late, and a dollar short.
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But so far you have not provided actual evidence for anything really major, like you seem to be claiming. Like in this post. At best, you have provided an argument to suggest a little "something" older than what was there. But that still needs actual physical confirmation. And it's certainly nothing major and huge and "revolutionary" by any stretch.

Personally, I would not use the "willful" ignorance phrase, because I don't know you personally, so it would not be fair to made judgments about your intent like that.
 
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Marduk said:
but please don't let this dissuade you from continuing to talk utter crap about subjects you have no knowledge of, that would after all be completely out of character for you
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But stopping such "talk" is much easier said than done. If you really honestly believe what you're saying and have a paradigm set up for yourself, it can be quite difficult to shift out of it. You (not you you) won't know that you have no knowledge. That's the rub: you think you know but you don't.
 
mike3 said:
But stopping such "talk" is much easier said than done. If you really honestly believe what you're saying and have a paradigm set up for yourself, it can be quite difficult to shift out of it. You (not you you) won't know that you have no knowledge. That's the rub: you think you know but you don't.
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Marduk said:
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Did he say he was disabled? And if that's true, then he should not be insulted or demeaned for such things as they are as out of his control as any other physical disability is, like you don't degrade a cripple without an arm.
 
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Wolrab said:
What makes you qualified to disqualify evidence?
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You haven't heard?

KotA is the messiah of an ancient race of alien gods. He is our "TIMELY TRUTH!". We willfully ignore him at our own peril. He's gathering the true believers to all look up at the same time so the aliens will magically appear and... well... then something else will happen. Details are for chumps.

Anyway, there must exist a great number of lost civilizations because of all the aliens that were roaming around a long time ago. The evidence is all around you:

1) Rocks with squarish holes.

2) Lists are blasphemous. Thus endeth the list.

In summary: :rolleyes:
 
King of the Americas said:
So there IS NO evidence of the tools you suggest did the work, and you can't produce them, or even a single shard of ONE tool, that surely there must have been hundreds or thousands...?

LOGIC then suggests that whatever tool(s) did the work, have been lost.

Until you can produce said jewel tipped drills and saw, they will REMAIN "lost".
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Why, you're right!

Tools have been ruled out 100%, and the only other POSSIBLE explanation is supernatural boogie-men!
 
King of the Americas said:
Show me someone cutting one of those stones with a bronze age chisel, and I'll shut my yap.

If you can show me two people cut identical stones, such that they could fit together, WITHOUT written instructions, using ONLY period tools, and I'll concede.

I still hold that those stones represent the work of a lost technology, and could NOT have been made with conventional period tools.
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It's your responsibility also to prove you are right by demonstrating it can't be done.
Diorite would have been the tool of choice to work stone.

To the bold. Utter nonsense. Many modern tribes have no written language yet they can repeatedly build structures like this through example.
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Do you remember what I said to you before ? You can think what you like. Believe what you like. But where's your evidence. Since you don't have anything close to factual evidence why do you so ardently defend your position ? Rather than concede there you just might be wrong. Does it matter so much to you that you must be right ?
 
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Marduk said:
uh, no, nice try at evasion but your problem is now clear to everyone reading this
rather than admit the possibility that its a tool you don't know about you'd rather go with the lost advanced race that no one knew about. This means you are intellectually bankrupt as you have decided on an answer which is meaningless.

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So, have you or has anyone else "FOUND" the tools used to construct Puma Punku?

No...?

Then they are LOST.

End of story.
 
Pacal said:
So you ignore the modern recreations using so-called "primitive" methods to recreate Inca stone work.

I further note there is no evidence of the "advanced" technology you claim existed. ...


I do suggest you learn something about stone working before you continue pontificating about stuff being impossible without advanced technology.

I note you have no reply to the massive evidence securely dating Tiwanaku to the period 0-1000 C.E. (A.D.)
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Did these Incan recreations cut descend squares into diorite?

*THE WORK is evidence of "advanced technology".

I am an amateur stone mason. The biggest project I've completed was to carve 9 figures into a piece of granite using a carbide tipped chisel and diamond tipped drumel tools.

Puma Punku and Tiwanaku is likely two sites built at different times, with different materials and different methods.
 
King of the Americas said:
*THE WORK is evidence of "advanced technology".
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No it isn't. You have yet to present anything to back up this statement other than your personal incredulity. You demand that we produce diamond-tipped tools to prove that the Incans could cut stone when it is painfully apparent that stone cuts stone. The Incans were known to use stone tools. Hence, no advanced technology was required.

End of story. You do not get to argue against this. You cannot dispute this without formally declaring that you are leaving reality with no intent to return. Stone cuts stone. The Incans used stone tools. Thus, they possessed the technology to carve the stones at Puma Punku.

If, on the other hand, you are arguing for advanced techniques rather than advanced technology, you are still wrong. Carving stones that precisely is entirely possible, even without a written language. In fact, the existence or nonexistence of a written Incan language is entirely irrelevant to whether or not they possessed the knowledge of stone-carving necessary to carve Puma Punku.

Written instructions help, but they are not necessary. It might take years and years of hard work, but it is by no stretch of the imagination impossible. This is also not something you can argue against. Humans can learn things. If nothing else, the Incans could have employed trial and error in order to discover how to carve the stones that accurately. But in a society which so prevalently utilized stone structures, it's not at all a stretch to think that they could have known techniques to carve stones that accurately.

It's a testament to human ingenuity and perseverance, certainly. Evidence of intraterrestrial aliens? Hardly.

King of the Americas said:
I am an amateur stone mason. The biggest project I've completed was to carve 9 figures into a piece of granite using a carbide tipped chisel and diamond tipped drumel tools.
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Congratulations. I am an amateur chess player. Does the fact that I cannot even begin to fathom the strategies utilized by Kasparov, Karpov, or Fischer mean that they are aliens? Of course not.

You are, essentially, a high-school physics student trying to refute the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. Your lack of comprehension is not an argument.
 
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