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Formally you had in previous model of job organization 3 workers on a job place and symmetrical life demands 4 workers on a same job place.

So you are needlessly increasing the number of workers that each business must hire, thereby creating a huge drain on capital that will put the business under within weeks.

So formally in the case when you don’t want to change absolutely anything you have to increase your staff at 33% - the same present you decrease the working week and not twice of course.
But in reality in most businesses we need not do it.

Duh.

Every business owner can find reserves to increase effectiveness of work.

In future development of symmetrical lifestyle world people will not work 10 hours shifts they will work not more than 8 working hours shifts, one day a week off and 26 weeks of creative vocation.

Also horrible math. Earlier you claim that each person will work 60 hours a week with one day off. Now you claim that they will not work more than 8 hours a day. Unless they're going to work multiple shifts of varying lengths every day, there's no way that 8 hours over 6 days equals 60 hours' work a week.
Your calculations are bunk.

All businesses will work 24 hours all year but symmetrical lifestyle people no more than 48 hours a week.

Oh, so now you realize your mistake and change it. Now not only are you flat-out wrong in the rest of your calculations, it's blatantly obvious that even you have no idea what you're talking about. You're just making this up as you go along.

Transport, hospitals, restaurants,theaters,schools, universities, scientist laboratories, government organizations, shops, sport clubs will work effectively 24 hours a day with out days off.

So now you're adding MORE employees to the "mandatory" list. Not only do you have to hire a fourth, you have to hire an entirely NEW set of employees who will fill in when the other set has their day off.

in symmetrical lifestyle society of lifelong high educated multiprofessional persons.

"In a symmetrical lifestyle society of lifelong high-educated multi-professional persons" what? This is a fragmentary sentence. It has no meaning.

5 About drugs’ abusing.
http://blogs.consumerreports.org/he...ments-best-buy-drugs-antidepressants-rep.html

Between 1996 and 2005, the rate of those reporting they had used antidepressants in the past year jumped from 5.8 percent to 10.1 percent.

So you count antidepressants as the same kind of thing as heroin, then?

On a national scale, this translates to an increase from about 13.3 million people to 27 million.
We note in our new Best Buy Drug report on antidepressants that 60 percent to 70 percent of people with depression don’t receive the treatment they need.

So it is clear that others 54 millions instead antidepressants use marijuana and drugs.

Or they just don't use any kind of drug. I know two people who do this. I wish they would use antidepressants, but they don't. And they don't use any other kind of drugs either.
But I must say that you've set a world record for distance-to-conclusion jumps.

May be somebody is waiting when all high developed world society will become antidepressant users or different drugs’ and alcohol abusers to change ordinary running from freedom lifestyle to symmetrical one – running for freedom.

What?
 
Jackalgirl!

1 When I proposed to use Holy Resurrected Language as global lingual frank for all God believers worldwide you proposed Esperanto.

Because it's easy to learn and does not supplant the speaker's own natural, native language. What you are proposing is exactly the opposite: a natural language, by nature difficult to learn, and from what I can tell you intend it to supplant speakers' native tongue and become the global natural language.

2 When I proposed to your husband - Evangelistic Church pastor to become the main person in process of learning the Resurrected Language of their God by kids of 200 millions Evangelistic Christians all over the world your husband has refused.
Because he doesn't agree that this is necessary. He is not of the type who believe that you have to learn a specific language in order to form a closer bond with God.

Evangelistic Christians recognize officially Resurrection of Israel state, Israel Chosen People and God Language.

Yes, Hebrew is the official national language of the current state of Israel.

Next logical step – to make God Language native to your children but you and your husband strongly oppose.

One: it would not be logical unless my husband and I were planning to move the family to Israel. We're not. Also, I'm not Christian, so none of the religious underpinnings of your plan interest me at all.

3 You focus on my not so good English.

The point I am trying to get across -- and, apparently, I'm failing to do so -- is that your English is not "not so good". It's barely comprehensible*. Occasionally I can get the gist of what you're trying to say, but that's because I have to make guesses. If you're going to try to persuade someone who speaks another language, you'd better be understandable in that other language (or confirm that they're competent in your own language and stick to that).

Why don’t you focus on my calculation that proves that to reach standard life quality today we need in 3.2 times more working hours a week at everyone family member that we had 50 years ago.
So the average inflation of value of one working hour was 320% for last 50 years.
The inflation of dollar for last 50 years is 628%.
Wage increasing for last 50 years is 1077%.
Life standard quality increasing for last 50 years only at 1077/628=1.71times.
It is a very bad social result for global rapid science technical progress for last 50 years.

One point: you haven't shown us the calculations themselves. Just the end products. "I did this calculation and came up with these numbers!" Well, I can come up with numbers, too.

Another point: as a woman, I'm not particularly enamored with the idea of life 50 years ago. I am an active duty sailor in the United States Navy. Fifty years ago, the idea of me going to sea and my husband staying at home with the children would have been unheard of. So please excuse me if I don't have starry-eyed dreams of the wonderfulness of the 1950s.

On a work side, your "symmetrical lifestyle" would be completely incompatible with the mission & needs of the Navy.

4 About myth of needful of twice increasing staff – to achieve symmetrical lifestyle.
Let us propose that we have enterprise that works 24 hours a day all year long.
It means that it is a very successful business that has full pocket of orders.
Most people today work in this type of business in three shifts – day time, evening time, night time 7 working hours averagely.
Every week they have to change their shift and time when the must sleep.
There is a paradox – those type of business organization are extremely effective because all technological equipment works 24 hours a day all year but most staff who must every week change there working shift fill physically bad.
In symmetrical lifestyle the same quantity of workers from those 3 shifts will be organized in 4 shifts that work 26 weeks a year, 60 hours a week, with one day off a week.
In future almost all competitive businesses will work 24 hours a day all year and people will live in symmetrical life style with 26 weeks of creative vocation a year.

You are essentially describing a factory job. There is, generally speaking, a great amount of flexibility possible in a repetitive job that requires little, or at least very specialized, skill. Yes, a "symmetrical lifestyle" might work for this, though it does not adequately address the family dimension (which I will get to in a moment, since you go on to talk about it).

You need to understand, however, that not all businesses are factories. Projects involving creativity and/or complex technological skills (example: engineering, programming) will suffer if, every three weeks, they have to be handed off to another person. That's just the nature of the beast. Businesses that provide highly-technical services are another that wouldn't work with regular turnover (example: law, medicine). And management is another activity that will suffer from high turnover -- perhaps not in a factory where the job is the same, day in and day out -- but in any business that does a variety of complex creative design/construction or provides any kind of services whose demands change on a daily (or hourly) basis is not going to work under your plan.


In working time people will see their kids with ability to communicate with them using computer communications systems.
If something wrong at school or in the street with their kids – parents can adjust the situation immediately.

I hope you are not suggesting that children be home alone while both parents are off at work, somehow monitoring the situation from there. You do realize that parenting is a full-time job, right? It requires the actual, active presence of a competent adult whose attention is not focused on, say, the needs of another full-time job.

If you're suggesting that one of the parents stays with the kids while the other works and the working parent would be able to fulfill both his/her own parenting needs as well as the child's via telepresence, you're out of your mind.

You're also out of your mind if you think a teenager is going to pay the slightest attention to what a parent says over the phone unless there are real consequences that involve actual parental presence.

Formally you had in previous model of job organization 3 workers on a job place and symmetrical life demands 4 workers on a same job place.
So formally in the case when you don’t want to change absolutely anything you have to increase your staff at 33% - the same present you decrease the working week and not twice of course.
But in reality in most businesses we need not do it.
Every business owner can find reserves to increase effectiveness of work.

No. I've already pointed out why this is not necessarily so. It will not help the economy or my buying power if businesses have to increase their staff by a third.

I don't disagree with you that many businesses could become more efficient (a LOT more efficient, in some cases). However, I don't think that this can universally be done by a fixed amount. As I have pointed out, above, not all businesses do the same thing. Trying to come up with one fixed plan for all businesses is a really bad idea. It'll work great for some and be absolutely devastating for others.

Also, let me point out that the point of a reserve is that it's there when you need it, and is not ever expected to become a permanent feature of the business. If you use your reserves regularly, they cease to be the reserves, and now you have no reserves. Now, when you're in trouble, you have no reserves. It's not a good thing.

In future development of symmetrical lifestyle world people will not work 10 hours shifts they will work not more than 8 working hours shifts, one day a week off and 26 weeks of creative vocation.
All businesses will work 24 hours all year but symmetrical lifestyle people no more than 48 hours a week.
Transport, hospitals, restaurants,theaters,schools, universities, scientist laboratories, government organizations, shops, sport clubs will work effectively 24 hours a day with out days off. in symmetrical lifestyle society of lifelong high educated multiprofessional persons.

See, here's where I'm getting terribly confused. Your model business is a clearly a factory. Now you're saying that this is the dream setup for "lifelong high[ly-]educated multiprofessional persons", whose businesses by their very nature are not factories. Which is it?

5 About drugs’ abusing.
http://blogs.consumerreports.org/he...ments-best-buy-drugs-antidepressants-rep.html
Between 1996 and 2005, the rate of those reporting they had used antidepressants in the past year jumped from 5.8 percent to 10.1 percent. On a national scale, this translates to an increase from about 13.3 million people to 27 million.
We note in our new Best Buy Drug report on antidepressants that 60 percent to 70 percent of people with depression don’t receive the treatment they need.

So it is clear that others 54 millions instead antidepressants use marijuana and drugs.
May be somebody is waiting when all high developed world society will become antidepressant users or different drugs’ and alcohol abusers to change ordinary running from freedom lifestyle to symmetrical one – running for freedom.

When you are quoting text, you need to use the quote tags, as I have done above.

Now, questions: "those reporting that they had used antidepressants in the past year jumped from 5.8 to 10.1 percent" of what? Of the reporting group? Who were the reporting group, and how were those persons chosen? How do you get to 54 million? Are you talking about people diagnosed with depression, or people projected to be depressed? You do realize that some people with medical conditions such as depressions, who aren't taking prescribed medicines, might not be taking any medicines at all, right? I don't know how you're drawing the conclusion that the only options for people with a disease are legal, doctor-prescribed medication on one side, and illegal self-medication on the other.

In fact, this is usually the problem: a person with a medical condition who does not take his or her meds at all (or doesn't go to see a doctor to get diagnosed, and thusly the disease remains untreated).

You are so strange. You provide statistics, then using them to draw completely unsupported conclusions, simply on the basis of some kind of connection between your conclusion and the numbers. It's sort of like stating something like, "last year, there was a reported increase of crime of 54%. Obviously, this is because some doughnuts are more yummy than others, resulting in less cops on the street. Under symmetrical doughnut style, all doughnuts will taste uniformly the same, so there will be no crime."

*This post was a little better than others, but I still had to make a lot of assumptions about what you were trying to say.
 
Once more about so called by many my opponents necessity of “twice increasing staff” in symmetrical lifestyle compare ordinary lifestyle.

In ordinary lifestyle 24 hours’ working enterprise has 3 shifts.
1 Morning shift lasts 9 hours – 8 working hours and one hour for getting meal in flexible time that gives ability not to stop work of enterprise.
2 Evening shift lasts 8 hours – 7 working hours to compensate difficulties of work in evening time and flexible hour – meal getting time.
3 Night shift lasts 7 hours – 6 working hours and flexible hour to get meal and to rest.

And who will work on two weekend’ days and on 5 weeks of vocation?
We need additional working shifts or we need to pay for overwork.
Let us calculate how many additional shifts we need.
We have 46 two days’ weekends and 5 weeks – 35 working days in vocation period and necessity to work three shifts 24 hours a day.
If we need to pay additionally 1.5 times more for working in two weekend days it is the same as 1.5 times to increase shift staff in ordinary days.
So theoretically wee need [(52*2*1.5+5*5)*3]/(5*47)=2.43 ordinary additional shifts.
If we need not pay additionally for working in two weekend days we will have [(7*5+46*2)*3]/(47*5)=1.62 additional shifts.

To be more correct in comparing symmetrical lifestyle and ordinary one we need to convert theoretically all shifts of ordinary life style to symmetrical lifestyle.
In symmetrical life style people are in enterprise 11 hours, one flexible hour for getting meal and rest.
So enterprise really works 22 hours a day or we need to organize a flexible shifts that gives possibility to work 12 hours shift time with every worker being in enterprise only 11 hours.
(2.43 +3)*22/24=4.98 or in the case without overpaying for weekend job (1.62 + 3)*22/24=4.235

So it is clear that in the most situations on 24 hours working enterprises symmetrical lifestyle demands 4 working shifts and ordinary lifestyle demands 4.2 – 5 working shifts.
 
“1 When I proposed to use Holy Resurrected Language as global lingual frank for all God believers worldwide you proposed Esperanto.”

“Because it's easy to learn and does not supplant the speaker's own natural, native language. What you are proposing is exactly the opposite: a natural language, by nature difficult to learn, and from what I can tell you intend it to supplant speakers' native tongue and become the global natural language.”

Hebrew has the same parameters as Esperanto – it is an artfully making language as Esperanto, it has no trend to supplant the speakers own natural language because it is Jews language and it is the same as Esperanto easy to learn but additionally to Esperanto’s very important properties you are talking about Hebrew is God Resurrected Language and the language of HIS BOOK OF BOOKS for all Abraham religious and cultures persons.

“2 When I proposed to your husband - Evangelistic Church pastor to become the main person in process of learning the Resurrected Language of their God by kids of 200 millions Evangelistic Christians all over the world your husband has refused.”
“Because he doesn't agree that this is necessary. He is not of the type who believe that you have to learn a specific language in order to form a closer bond with God.”

Every pastor of Abrahams religious has to know Bible Hebrew.
It is 2 thousands years practice.
After God Language Resurrection in Israel people all God believers have to know this language.
Your husband loosed a great opportunity to become Holy Christian that had practically returned Christians to God Resurrected Language.

“Yes, Hebrew is the official national language of the current state of Israel.”

You want trivialize the fact of God Resurrection of Israel, people of Israel and HIS BIBLE LANGUAGE.
It is a mistake even more than the mistake of trivializing Jesus Resurrection fact.


“Occasionally I can get the gist of what you're trying to say”

You are absolutely relevant in understanding of my ideas and my English.

“One point: you haven't shown us the calculations themselves. Just the end products. "I did this calculation and came up with these numbers!" Well, I can come up with numbers, too.”

You will come to the same numbers.
All you need to know: Inflation of dollar for 5o years, working weeks hours per one average family member today and 50 years ago, average wage today and 50 years ago.


“Another point: as a woman, I'm not particularly enamored with the idea of life 50 years ago. I am an active duty sailor in the United States Navy. Fifty years ago, the idea of me going to sea and my husband staying at home with the children would have been unheard of. So please excuse me if I don't have starry-eyed dreams of the wonderfulness of the 1950s.

On a work side, your "symmetrical lifestyle" would be completely incompatible with the mission & needs of the Navy.”


The other active sailor, Toke wrote me this.

Nationalcosmopolitan,

Don't be sad, I love the idea of half the year off, and that is why I work on a ship.
It does not work ashore, but that is their loss.

The freedom loving man sacrifice the half of his active young and strong man weeks of life to be really free man with good money half a year.

Why not to give to most Navy US staff possibility for example to be 4 weeks on duty 12 hours a day and 4 weeks to be free and to live civil life for himself and his family were he wants?

My model gives the possibility in almost every point of life to use symmetrical lifestyle.
Running from freedom people with monumental stereotypes of their ordinary lifestyle don’t want to sacrifice two additional hours of their working days time to be free 26 weeks a year!

“You need to understand, however, that not all businesses are factories. Projects involving creativity and/or complex technological skills (example: engineering, programming) will suffer if, every three weeks, they have to be handed off to another person. That's just the nature of the beast. Businesses that provide highly-technical services are another that wouldn't work with regular turnover (example: law, medicine). And management is another activity that will suffer from high turnover -- perhaps not in a factory where the job is the same, day in and day out -- but in any business that does a variety of complex creative design/construction or provides any kind of services whose demands change on a daily (or hourly) basis is not going to work under your plan.”

I am such high skilled person, because in 80th I was top designer of cranes.
According my experience when you make a creative project with your inventions you simply can’t work 8 hours a day.
You work 12 – 16 hours a day, some times with out days off.
Formally you are not in your office but your head works on your project.
After 3 months of such life when the project successfully ended you need three months to be free from your job place.
In this 3 months new ideas and inventions will come in your mind and you can make another great project.

Creative persons of freelancers’ contract sorts professions need not symmetrical life style because they are absolutely free.
They have so many money that they do not to work for getting money.
They work freely to relies only their own ideas and nobody else.

Symmetrical lifestyle gives real possibility to live similarly to every ordinary person 26 creative weeks in a year.


“I hope you are not suggesting that children be home alone while both parents are off at work, somehow monitoring the situation from there.”

Synchronic job – free weeks symmetry of parents demands synchronic learning – free weeks symmetry from children in the case when parents want to give all theirs experience to children for 26 weeks of their vocation.
I think that it is the main right of high educated parents to give their knowledge to their children.

But even when your kids are out of their parents their life will be fixed on disk of comp because parents have to know all environments of their kids.

Students after 14 years old will have possibilities for one – two working weeks and one – two learning weeks.
They will earn money to pay for education but for their money they will have right to chose were to study and what to study.


“I don't disagree with you that many businesses could become more efficient (a LOT more efficient, in some cases).”

Just some examples:
A very expansive super advantage medical equipment that costs tens millions dollars work 5 days a week. 8 hours a day.

All rooms of school buildings are using I a day time and don’t using in 15 hours a day and on two weekend days.

I has experience of working in American high tech Vishay company that worked 24 hours a day and average uptime of all equipment was 96%.
In my shift uptime was 98%!
To increase uptime from 70% to 75% for example is not a problem but to increase it from 96% to 98% can one from ten engineers in high tech industry.

Symmetrical life style has real ability to increase “uptime” of our life from (5/52)*100 =9.6% we have in ordinary lifestyle to (26/52)*100=50% as minimum for ordinary people and for people who do not hate their job it will be more.

“Also, let me point out that the point of a reserve is that it's there when you need it, and is not ever expected to become a permanent feature of the business. If you use your reserves regularly, they cease to be the reserves, and now you have no reserves. Now, when you're in trouble, you have no reserves. It's not a good thing.”

Half of working people in their 26 weeks’ creative vocation is reserve of every symmetrical lifestyle business.

“See, here's where I'm getting terribly confused. Your model business is a clearly a factory. Now you're saying that this is the dream setup for "lifelong high[ly-]educated multiprofessional persons", whose businesses by their very nature are not factories. Which is it?”


Personal multi professionalism will give high level of interchangeability.
Most people will work in one place not more than a year.
Not only in army but in every place every employee will have real possibilities to increase his real hour wage every year, to high up a post every 3 years.
In cases when it will not be possible he will have possibility to change a place of work or to change a profession.

It almost will not be people who worked all their life in one company on one post for the constant wage.

“You are so strange. You provide statistics, then using them to draw completely unsupported conclusions, simply on the basis of some kind of connection between your conclusion and the numbers.”

I just want to say that ordinary lifestyle of running of freedom persons bring us to a critical point of life with mass depression and neurosis of people and drug and alcohol abusing.
My conclusion that traditional lifestyle has brought us to critical point and only symmetrical lifestyle can and will safe a world.
 
“Tiger, tiger, burning bright
In the forests of the night,
What immortal hand or eye
Could frame thy fearful symmetry?”

This “tiger” is president Obama.

Somebody think that he is white.
Somebody think that he is black.
Somebody think that he has to choice to be or black or white.
Somebody think that he is mixing of black and white.
Somebody think that he is half (50%) white and half (50%) black.
Nobody does not understand that he is full 100% black and full 100% white.
Nobody does not understand that he is full 100% Muslim and full 100% Christian person.
Nobody does not understand that he is full 100% socialist and full 100% capitalist.
Nobody does not understand that he is full 100% all world nations’ nationalist-internationalist and he is full 100% cosmopolitan.
He is New Saturday – symmetrical lifestyle person.
 
Hebrew has the same parameters as Esperanto – it is an artfully making language as Esperanto, it has no trend to supplant the speakers own natural language because it is Jews language and it is the same as Esperanto easy to learn but additionally to Esperanto’s very important properties you are talking about Hebrew is God Resurrected Language and the language of HIS BOOK OF BOOKS for all Abraham religious and cultures persons.
- I can speak multiple languages and I am now working on mandarin chinees. In my opinion Hebrew is not an easy language and it sounds horrible.
- I and many other people don't care about your so called god. And almost all that do care about your god, don't share your interpretation.
 
This “tiger” is president Obama.

Somebody think that he is white.
Somebody think that he is black.
Somebody think that he has to choice to be or black or white.
Somebody think that he is mixing of black and white.
Somebody think that he is half (50%) white and half (50%) black.
Nobody does not understand that he is full 100% black and full 100% white.
Nobody does not understand that he is full 100% Muslim and full 100% Christian person.
Nobody does not understand that he is full 100% socialist and full 100% capitalist.
Nobody does not understand that he is full 100% all world nations’ nationalist-internationalist and he is full 100% cosmopolitan.
He is New Saturday – symmetrical lifestyle person.

No.
 
<snip BS>

None of these are valid points. They have been addressed already. Repetition does not equal truth.

This “tiger” is president Obama.

Somebody think that he is white.
Somebody think that he is black.
Somebody think that he has to choice to be or black or white.
Somebody think that he is mixing of black and white.
Somebody think that he is half (50%) white and half (50%) black.
Nobody does not understand that he is full 100% black and full 100% white.
Nobody does not understand that he is full 100% Muslim and full 100% Christian person.
Nobody does not understand that he is full 100% socialist and full 100% capitalist.
Nobody does not understand that he is full 100% all world nations’ nationalist-internationalist and he is full 100% cosmopolitan.
He is New Saturday – symmetrical lifestyle person.

O_o

Lol the **** what? He was being snarky, since he didn't think that anything he could say would convince you of your epic failure. Which, by the way, you just doubled in that single post.

Okay, guys. I've given up on NC. He's not going to learn anything from this discussion. His ECONOMIC ideas are fueled by religious zealotry; as such, he is unwilling to even consider the fact that he might be wrong. Therefore, there is no point in continuing this discussion. So I won't be posting in this thread any more. I suggest you do the same. If you stop feeding the troll, it will go away.

So, how long do you guys think it'll be before I'm back?
 
None of these are valid points. They have been addressed already. Repetition does not equal truth.



O_o

Lol the **** what? He was being snarky, since he didn't think that anything he could say would convince you of your epic failure. Which, by the way, you just doubled in that single post.

Okay, guys. I've given up on NC. He's not going to learn anything from this discussion. His ECONOMIC ideas are fueled by religious zealotry; as such, he is unwilling to even consider the fact that he might be wrong. Therefore, there is no point in continuing this discussion. So I won't be posting in this thread any more. I suggest you do the same. If you stop feeding the troll, it will go away.

So, how long do you guys think it'll be before I'm back?

I agree,stop the feeding.
 
This “tiger” is president Obama.

Somebody think that he is white.
Somebody think that he is black.
Somebody think that he has to choice to be or black or white.
Somebody think that he is mixing of black and white.
Somebody think that he is half (50%) white and half (50%) black.
Nobody does not understand that he is full 100% black and full 100% white.
Nobody does not understand that he is full 100% Muslim and full 100% Christian person.
Nobody does not understand that he is full 100% socialist and full 100% capitalist.
Nobody does not understand that he is full 100% all world nations’ nationalist-internationalist and he is full 100% cosmopolitan.
He is New Saturday – symmetrical lifestyle person.


It's a poem, Sparky.

Kangaroos. Loose. Top paddock. Symmetry.
 
Once more about so called by many my opponents necessity of “twice increasing staff” in symmetrical lifestyle compare ordinary lifestyle.

In ordinary lifestyle 24 hours’ working enterprise has 3 shifts.
1 Morning shift lasts 9 hours – 8 working hours and one hour for getting meal in flexible time that gives ability not to stop work of enterprise.
2 Evening shift lasts 8 hours – 7 working hours to compensate difficulties of work in evening time and flexible hour – meal getting time.
3 Night shift lasts 7 hours – 6 working hours and flexible hour to get meal and to rest.

And who will work on two weekend’ days and on 5 weeks of vocation?
We need additional working shifts or we need to pay for overwork.
Let us calculate how many additional shifts we need.
We have 46 two days’ weekends and 5 weeks – 35 working days in vocation period and necessity to work three shifts 24 hours a day.
If we need to pay additionally 1.5 times more for working in two weekend days it is the same as 1.5 times to increase shift staff in ordinary days.
So theoretically wee need [(52*2*1.5+5*5)*3]/(5*47)=2.43 ordinary additional shifts.
If we need not pay additionally for working in two weekend days we will have [(7*5+46*2)*3]/(47*5)=1.62 additional shifts.

To be more correct in comparing symmetrical lifestyle and ordinary one we need to convert theoretically all shifts of ordinary life style to symmetrical lifestyle.
In symmetrical life style people are in enterprise 11 hours, one flexible hour for getting meal and rest.
So enterprise really works 22 hours a day or we need to organize a flexible shifts that gives possibility to work 12 hours shift time with every worker being in enterprise only 11 hours.
(2.43 +3)*22/24=4.98 or in the case without overpaying for weekend job (1.62 + 3)*22/24=4.235

So it is clear that in the most situations on 24 hours working enterprises symmetrical lifestyle demands 4 working shifts and ordinary lifestyle demands 4.2 – 5 working shifts.
Don't give up your day job
 
Hebrew has the same parameters as Esperanto – it is an artfully making language as Esperanto, it has no trend to supplant the speakers own natural language because it is Jews language and it is the same as Esperanto easy to learn...

No. I invite you to try again. It might help if you actually go look at Esperanto. It's designed, from the ground up, to be absolutely regular and easy to learn. Hebrew is a natural language and has all of the problems of any natural language that has undergone linguistic change: it is complex and difficult to learn.

...but additionally to Esperanto’s very important properties you are talking about Hebrew is God Resurrected Language and the language of HIS BOOK OF BOOKS for all Abraham religious and cultures persons.

Perhaps you missed the part where I said I'm not Christian? I don't care about your religious claims with regards to Hebrew.

Every pastor of Abrahams religious has to know Bible Hebrew.

Why just Hebrew? You know that the Bible was written in a number of other languages besides Hebrew, right?

Your husband loosed a great opportunity to become Holy Christian that had practically returned Christians to God Resurrected Language.

Again, he'd disagree because, unlike you, he doesn't believe that one's relationship to God is based on language. If you're implying that one can better understand the written word of God by learning the original language then again, the Bible was written down in several languages. How's your Aramaic?

You want trivialize the fact of God Resurrection of Israel, people of Israel and HIS BIBLE LANGUAGE.
It is a mistake even more than the mistake of trivializing Jesus Resurrection fact.

I'm not trivializing it. Neither Israel, the Hebrew or Christian God, nor Jesus (and his resurrection, whether a myth or fact) have any particular meaning to me because I'm not Christian.

Hebrew has the same parameters as Esperanto – it is an artfully making language as Esperanto, it has no trend to supplant the speakers own natural language because it is Jews language and it is the same as Esperanto easy to learn...

No. I invite you to try again. It might help if you actually go look at Esperanto. It's designed, from the ground up, to be absolutely regular and easy to learn. Hebrew is a natural language and has all of the problems of any natural language that has undergone linguistic change: it is complex and difficult to learn.

...but additionally to Esperanto’s very important properties you are talking about Hebrew is God Resurrected Language and the language of HIS BOOK OF BOOKS for all Abraham religious and cultures persons.

Perhaps you missed the part where I said I'm not Christian? I don't care about your religious claims with regards to Hebrew.

Every pastor of Abrahams religious has to know Bible Hebrew.

Why just Hebrew? You know that the Bible was written in a number of other languages besides Hebrew, right?

Your husband loosed a great opportunity to become Holy Christian that had practically returned Christians to God Resurrected Language.

Again, he'd disagree because, unlike you, he doesn't believe that one's relationship to God is based on language. If you're implying that one can better understand the written word of God by learning the original language then again, the Bible was written down in several languages. How's your Aramaic?

You are absolutely relevant in understanding of my ideas and my English.

"Relevant" is not the word you want here. I'm guessing you're trying to say that I obviously understand what you're trying to get across. But that's just a guess.

You will come to the same numbers.
All you need to know: Inflation of dollar for 5o years, working weeks hours per one average family member today and 50 years ago, average wage today and 50 years ago.

There's a lot more that has changed in the past 50 years that has a lot to do with wage-earning, and not just in America. And I find it interesting that you say "...per one average family member." You do realize that, unlike the fifties, it's not uncommon to find families with two working adults or a much larger percentage of single-parent families, right? How do those families fit into your grand plan?

The other active sailor, Toke wrote me this.
The freedom loving man sacrifice the half of his active young and strong man weeks of life to be really free man with good money half a year.

I haven't the slightest idea what Toke is trying to say.

Why not to give to most Navy US staff possibility for example to be 4 weeks on duty 12 hours a day and 4 weeks to be free and to live civil life for himself and his family were he wants?

You clearly don't understand how the US military works. You don't know about work-ups, training cycles, maintenance availabilities, deployments, or anything. So please don't start making suggestions about how the US Navy should let its sailors be completely off duty every other month for a whole month. That is, without a doubt, the most ignorant thing I've ever heard someone say about how the military should work and, yes, I've been compared to a baby-killer.

My model gives the possibility in almost every point of life to use symmetrical lifestyle.
Running from freedom people with monumental stereotypes of their ordinary lifestyle don’t want to sacrifice two additional hours of their working days time to be free 26 weeks a year!



I am such high skilled person, because in 80th I was top designer of cranes.
According my experience when you make a creative project with your inventions you simply can’t work 8 hours a day.
You work 12 – 16 hours a day, some times with out days off.
Formally you are not in your office but your head works on your project.
After 3 months of such life when the project successfully ended you need three months to be free from your job place.
In this 3 months new ideas and inventions will come in your mind and you can make another great project.

That may be how you work, but not everyone works like that. In fact, I don't know of anyone -- not a single person -- involved in design work who works three months and then takes three months off. At least, not the ones who eat well.

Creative persons of freelancers’ contract sorts professions need not symmetrical life style because they are absolutely free.
They have so many money that they do not to work for getting money.
They work freely to relies only their own ideas and nobody else.

If you run your own business, sure. Not every creative person runs his or her own business.

Symmetrical lifestyle gives real possibility to live similarly to every ordinary person 26 creative weeks in a year.

Synchronic job – free weeks symmetry of parents demands synchronic learning – free weeks symmetry from children in the case when parents want to give all theirs experience to children for 26 weeks of their vocation.

Who gives their experience to the children for the rest of the year?

I think that it is the main right of high educated parents to give their knowledge to their children.

But even when your kids are out of their parents their life will be fixed on disk of comp because parents have to know all environments of their kids.

I haven't the slightest idea what you mean here. I don't know what a "disk of comp" is.

Students after 14 years old will have possibilities for one – two working weeks and one – two learning weeks.
They will earn money to pay for education but for their money they will have right to chose were to study and what to study.




Just some examples:
A very expansive super advantage medical equipment that costs tens millions dollars work 5 days a week. 8 hours a day.

All rooms of school buildings are using I a day time and don’t using in 15 hours a day and on two weekend days.

I has experience of working in American high tech Vishay company that worked 24 hours a day and average uptime of all equipment was 96%.
In my shift uptime was 98%!
To increase uptime from 70% to 75% for example is not a problem but to increase it from 96% to 98% can one from ten engineers in high tech industry.

Symmetrical life style has real ability to increase “uptime” of our life from (5/52)*100 =9.6% we have in ordinary lifestyle to (26/52)*100=50% as minimum for ordinary people and for people who do not hate their job it will be more.



Half of working people in their 26 weeks’ creative vocation is reserve of every symmetrical lifestyle business.

“See, here's where I'm getting terribly confused. Your model business is a clearly a factory. Now you're saying that this is the dream setup for "lifelong high[ly-]educated multiprofessional persons", whose businesses by their very nature are not factories. Which is it?”


Personal multi professionalism will give high level of interchangeability.
Most people will work in one place not more than a year.
Not only in army but in every place every employee will have real possibilities to increase his real hour wage every year, to high up a post every 3 years.
In cases when it will not be possible he will have possibility to change a place of work or to change a profession.

It almost will not be people who worked all their life in one company on one post for the constant wage.



I just want to say that ordinary lifestyle of running of freedom persons bring us to a critical point of life with mass depression and neurosis of people and drug and alcohol abusing.
My conclusion that traditional lifestyle has brought us to critical point and only symmetrical lifestyle can and will safe a world.

I'm sorry, but I give up. It's too much bad English and I just don't have the energy to try to parse it. I see that you haven't really addressed any of my main concerns, which is:

a) who takes care of the kids while the parents are off working 12 hours a day?
b) I've already compared your plan to jerking on a rope (vice putting strain on the rope steadily). I, and several other people who are far smarter than I, have explained that this is bad for people and families. You've failed to address this except to explain that your rope-jerking plan is better -- it's better, don't you see? It's better! It just is!
c) Stop making stuff up about things you know NOTHING about. Go learn about whatever it is you want to blather on about first, okay?
 
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Some of my favorites:

You might start in the archives with posts by a Swedenborgian mystic named "Iacchus," whose posts may still include his sig link to his own site and forum, which are hilariously weird. Another of my favorites was "Davidjayjordan," a polyamorous fundamentalist numerologist who carried on quite long and eventually abusive debates, many based on his stubborn insistence on theories that depended on demonstrably incorrect math, including the distance to the moon. DJJ got himself banned. Iacchus is still technically suspended after a registration error, but has never returned. The now banned Jerome Da Gnome and Tokenconservative will provide some entertainment on the political front.

A more polite unbanned member, "lightcreatedlife@hom" rarely if ever stepped out of his own thread, in which he was attempting to explain a theory of everything. Unfortunately, he was not very good at it, and seems to have abandoned us. He had a web site, but unfortunately it comes up empty now. His accidental filling in of the wrong box in his registration, resulting in an incomplete address, is an omen.
Thank you.I didn't know that nationalcosmopolitan was a lightweight in the dingbat stakes.

Then of course there's Gene Ray and his Time Cube. Not sure that can be beat.


Ah the timecube...

Did the expanding earth proponent make it here from badscience.net? It started off a lot smaller and is growing, which is why America and Africa are apart form each other, they were adjacent when the Earth was smaller...

For some amusement now, I suggest you look at this current thread.
 
«a) who takes care of the kids while the parents are off working 12 hours a day?»

There are some variants:

1 One week mother is with kids and father is on his job, and an other week father takes care about them and mother on her job.
On one day weekend all family spends together.
2 Using grand parents to look the kids 26 weeks a year and 26 weeks a year look for them themselves.
3 Symmetrical lifestyle people can organize group of parents for looking for the kids.
4 School can be organized for symmetrical lifestyle parents were there kids spend all the time when their parents are on job or 26 weeks a year when their parents are on job place with possibility of audio and video monitoring 24 hours of life of their kids.
One imperative condition – kids have to fill themselves in such schools better than with their parents.
This condition will be implementing if all staff of such schools will be symmetrical lifestyle people.

“ I've already compared your plan to jerking on a rope (vice putting strain on the rope steadily). I, and several other people who are far smarter than I, have explained that this is bad for people and families. You've failed to address this except to explain that your rope-jerking plan is better -- it's better, don't you see? It's better! It just is!”

It is a big mistake to compare a person with the rope.
Rope will be more and more poorly and the man will be stronger and stronger.
A week of relaxation and meditation and a week of maximal physical and creative concentration give great results for personal self-development for example.
26 weeks of creative vocation a year will make almost every person maximal strong and competitive in limits of his personal abilities.

“Stop making stuff up about things you know NOTHING about. Go learn about whatever it is you want to blather on about first, okay?”

I am the captain of Soviet Army.
My military specialty was missiles “earth-air”.
So I know well enough what means army.

A soldier is a man who has fight on war in strongly dangerous to his life conditions.
Every minute he has big chance to be killed on war or on military trainings.

He will not be happy to be killed in a young age with out being really free man no one day in his life.
Remember that his military bosses even more enemies for him than his real enemies.

And to this soldier I give 26 weeks creative vocation a year!
Now he will be happy to dead for his motherland of symmetrical lifestyle freedom because in every time of his life he will know that minimal 50% of it he was really free man.

The worst years of person life are years when he is old and ill man.
In those years he will get freedom and pension.
But 30% of people who pay in pension funds will not use even such f… freedom because they will be died in the their job time period.
Symmetrical lifestyle gives them strong filing that minimum half of their life they were really free.
 
Wait a minute,you've designed cranes,and now you are the captain of the Soviet Army? I think the word for you is fantasist.
 
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