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Minimal vacation period is generally 5 weeks per year in France.

http://books.google.com/books?id=Ja...v=onepage&q=Vacation period in France&f=false



After some calculation it is clear that France has to reduce 35 hours’ working week at 1.6 hours only to get 30 hours’ working week averagely that gives to all freedomfiliyas full spector of symmetrical lifestyles.

Just 5.4% job hours’reducing can bring great freedom to France.

All who does not want to live symmetrical lifestyle can live their ordinary today’s one but with 30 working hours’ week.

I am not socialist and I am not capitalist.
I am liberal-socialist that believe in market and in a strong high developed state of free persons living in symmetrical lifestyle.

This calculation proves that this idea is real able in France almost without any changes and in other high developed states it is real able with very little changes.

All depends from people will to become really free persons minimum 26 weeks in a year.
 
Just as a point of interest I thought I'd read up a bit on France's 35 hour week policy.

The first thing to note is that it isn't a hard limit, but simply the maximum number of hours per week before overtime must be paid, and it doesn't even apply to a heck of a lot of white collar workers, who are precisely the people that NC is aiming this idea at!

Furthermore France has worse economic problems than most of the rest of western Europe, and many senior executives complain that the limit makes their businesses uncompetitive.
 
Nationalcosmopolitan said:
I was a top manager of project in 70th and early 80th .
I with my group of engineers worked 12 hours a day almost with out days off.
This working style gave great opportunities to finish the project for 3 months in the case of ordinary lifestyle for one month.
Than all my group got a month vocation on the third month we made project that was planning for another three months.
Great quality of projects that are ready earlier for some months they really need, 7 months creative vocation a year and all this in totalitarian USSSR!
To be free person in a country of slaves – it is a great feeling.
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Erm, I'm not working 12 hours a day for 3 months straight. For one thing, I am not working on a single project at a time. At any given time I can be working on up to 6 projects, all with different delivery dates. If I work 12 hours a day for 3 months to finish one and then take a month off, all my other projects are left hanging. So your suggestion again fails in the real world.
 
Agatha said:
No. Assuming I was well enough to work full time, I would rather work 37.5 hours a week over five days a week, with eight statutory (paid) holiday days plus a minimum of five weeks paid holiday a year. That's what we already have in the UK.

A sixty hour, six days working week would be disastrous for family life.
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A sixty hour week was common at the car plant I worked at. Yes many of them were paying off their alimony payments.
 
Nationalcosmopolitan said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1859891.stm
Parliament in 1999, has resulted in shorter working days, four-day working weeks or extra long holidays.
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Thanks for that link. Let's see what it says;

With fewer people at work at any one time, more jobs have been needed.

And it has largely been the French tax payer who has had to foot bill to pay for their wages.

French corporate taxes are among the highest in the EU and many firms have moved to "business friendlier" countries like the UK.
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Doesn't sound so great.

Sabine Syfuss Arnaud of the financial weekly, L'Expansion, recently visited a company making croissants for supermarkets and discovered problems for workers themselves.

She said: "It is sometimes hell for the workers.

"One explained to me he was working in the same week two days in the morning and then one day in the afternoon and then one day at night.

"So how can you have a family life?"
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Umm, no time for a family life. Doesn't sound much like what you intend NC.

Meanwhile, the public sector is experiencing a severe staff shortage. Health workers are angry at acute staffing shortages.

Hospitals have been promised 45,000 extra jobs over three years but unions say 80,000 are needed to fill the holes created by the 35-hour working week.
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Acute staff shortages in the health sector? That really can't be good.

Sorry, were you offering this up as some sort of support for your ideas?
 
“A sixty hour week was common at the car plant I worked at.”
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Please look how many people like to work for different reasons 4-day working week. 10 hours a day with 3-day weekend.
Unfortunately most of them can’t understand that symmetrical lifestyle with 6-day 26 working weeks a year will solve all their problems much better.
They are in one step from great human freedom and can’t recognize it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1859891.stm
Parliament in 1999, has resulted in shorter working days, four-day working weeks or extra long holidays.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_time
Several of the Muslim countries have a standard Sunday through Thursday or Saturday through Wednesday workweek leaving Friday for religious observance, and providing breaks for the daily prayer times.

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/2996
The Four Day Work Week: Sixteen Reasons Why This Might Be an Idea Whose Time Has Come

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1919162,00.html

The Four-Day Workweek Is Winning Fans
By BRYAN WALSH Monday, Sep. 07, 2009


http://www.alistapart.com/articles/fourdayweek/

Thursday is the new Friday
It took awhile to see Thursday like it was Friday. What we realized is that Thursdays became very busy, because we had to finish everything for the week that hadn’t been done yet.
We would look at our to-do lists and realize there was still a huge amount of things to be done. Yikes. So the result is that Thursdays can be a bit hectic. Friday would’ve been hectic anyway though, so why not get the work done one day early?
http://37signals.com/svn/posts/893-workplace-experiments
Workplace Experiments Jason F.

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2009/08/29/the-four-day-work-week-coming-soon-to-a-town-near-you/

The four-day work week: Coming soon to a town near you
http://www.productivity501.com/4-day-workweek-3-day-weekend/154/
4 Day Workweek 3 Day Weekend
 
wollery said:
Thanks for that link. Let's see what it says;

Doesn't sound so great.
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Unless the idea is diluted down to LCD levels...

Smarter work

Christian Boiron, chief executive of the Boiron homeopathetic laboratories, also has nothing but praise for the new law and feels productivity is up.

He said: "The more you work, the less you are efficient. If you work less, you are smarter."
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Apologies in advance for the 'smiley':

:dl:
 
Nationalcosmopolitan said:
Unfortunately most of them can’t understand that symmetrical lifestyle with 6-day 26 working weeks a year will solve all their problems much better.
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Please, describe at least ONE problem that your one-size-fits-all solution will resolve

Thank you in advance :)
 
“Erm, I'm not working 12 hours a day for 3 months straight. For one thing, I am not working on a single project at a time. At any given time I can be working on up to 6 projects, all with different delivery dates. If I work 12 hours a day for 3 months to finish one and then take a month off, all my other projects are left hanging. So your suggestion again fails in the real world.”
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You simply as Agatha afraid to share your job with good partner.
It is the main reason why most off you run from your freedom – 26 weeks of creative vocation.
All high developed countries with 35 – 40 hours working week and minimal 5 weeks vocation period have everything to mandate from tomorrow symmetrical lifestyle – 26 working weeks a year with 10 hours working days and one day off in a week and 26 weeks creative vocation in a year.

It does not mean that all people have refuse from traditional lifestyle with 2-day weekend and 5 weeks vocation in a year.

But every person will have right to chose between symmetrical and traditional lifestyles.

Imagine, that efficiency of work has raised so, that the government has to reduce working week up to 20 working hours.

You as will work in this case 5 days in a week for 4 hours!
No, the majority will want to work 2 days in a week for 10 hours, and 4 days to be free.
 
Kindly do not misrepresent my objections to your ideas.

I would be happy to share my job with someone else, but not if that sharing increases my employer's costs to an unsustainable level. And I cannot afford to take a decrease in pay.
 
Please, describe at least ONE problem that your one-size-fits-all solution will resolve

Thank you in advance

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/2996
The Four Day Work Week: Sixteen Reasons Why This Might Be an Idea Whose Time Has Come

All those 16 problems can be solve in symmetrical lifestyle similarly but much more effectively and organically.
 
Nationalcosmopolitan said:
You simply as Agatha afraid to share your job with good partner.
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No, my company is unwilling to pay twice as much to hire two people do do the job one person can do just so that the people they hire can have no personal life.

Nationalcosmopolitan said:
It is the main reason why most off you run from your freedom – 26 weeks of creative vocation.
All high developed countries with 35 – 40 hours working week and minimal 5 weeks vocation period have everything to mandate from tomorrow symmetrical lifestyle – 26 working weeks a year with 10 hours working days and one day off in a week and 26 weeks creative vocation in a year.
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No, the main reason is your proposal does not work in the real world.

Nationalcosmopolitan said:
It does not mean that all people have refuse from traditional lifestyle with 2-day weekend and 5 weeks vocation in a year.

But every person will have right to chose between symmetrical and traditional lifestyles.
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I'm free to chose to become an unmanageable employee and get myself fired? I think I already have that right.

Nationalcosmopolitan said:
Imagine, that efficiency of work has raised so, that the government has to reduce working week up to 20 working hours.

You as will work in this case 5 days in a week for 4 hours!
No, the majority will want to work 2 days in a week for 10 hours, and 4 days to be free.
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I can imagine lots of things, but efficiency being raised by people taking month long vacations halfway through projects is not one of them.
 
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