Lord Language Resurrection.

[Nationalcosmopolitan]

Which children? Where? What is your source for this information? A quotation, I request

It is very easy to prove this fact.
Just look at 10 emigrants families that live more than 40 years in USA, Australia, Canada, New Zealand or Israel and you will see that in 9 of them third generation do not know their national language.
They know monolingual the language of residential state and nothing else.

That is your argumento? Precisely what you argumentas here

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In one nationalist anti cosmopolitan site members did not want to teach their children Esperanto and Holy Resurrected language.
They were sure that it is “Jewish invention to denationalize all world nationals.
According their point of view Jews has invited two languages in the same time.
One was Esperanto – the primitive language for non-Jews and another was Resurrected Holy Language of God and Bible only for Jews.
So I do not want Jews to be exclusive owners of Holy Language.
Let us teach Hebrew every child natively together with his national language.

Because it is a national language. I already clarified why Esperanto more is good than national languages. Maybe you should reread my other messages

Being free from emotions mean to be free from language creativity potential and it is not good even for axial language.
After all axial status is not good and is not true.
People remember very well the extremist’s historical forms of Esperanto movement.
There were many Esperanto radicals that sow future world post national and Esperanto monolingual one.

P.S. Why you do not write Hebrewly

Unfortunately we have not such good devices to translate Holy Language in English as in the case of Esperanto.

 

[bruto]

Hebrew surely will not work better but Holy Resurrected Language of Holy Resurrected Israel surely will work absolutely well but only in bilingual pair with national language.


You understand very well that I mean 700 mln.


But why the children of those people simply do not know their national language and know natively only English in 90 % of cases?


One Jew has invited Esperanto, another Jew has resurrected the Holy Language that has become the state language of Resurrected Israel just in the same time.
Why you think that one invention better than other one?
Why Resurrected language of Christ, Moshe and Solomon is not good for Christian culture nationals to be known natively by there children?!

Most people who believe that Christ lived at all are of the opinion that he spoke Aramaic as his native language, since Aramaic was the lingua franca of his time and region. I will confess that I am no expert on these languages, but everything I have read on the subject says that Aramaic, although a close relative of Hebrew, is not Hebrew, any more than Swedish is German; and, according to some, the recent prevalence of Hebrew has done exactly what you suggest is the wrong thing when it occurs with other languages: it has supplanted the native language of Aramaic speakers.

 

[The_Fire]

It is very easy to prove this fact.
Just look at 10 emigrants families that live more than 40 years in USA, Australia, Canada, New Zealand or Israel and you will see that in 9 of them third generation do not know their national language.
They know monolingual the language of residential state and nothing else.

If it's easy to prove, do so. And the third generation is native to the area they were born in not native to where ever the first generation came from, so why would they need that language?

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In one nationalist anti cosmopolitan site members did not want to teach their children Esperanto and Holy Resurrected language.
They were sure that it is “Jewish invention to denationalize all world nationals.
According their point of view Jews has invited two languages in the same time.

Please provide a source.

One was Esperanto – the primitive language for non-Jews and another was Resurrected Holy Language of God and Bible only for Jews.
So I do not Jews to be exclusive owners of Holy Language.
Let us teach Hebrew every child natively together with his national language.

Why? Because you say so? You still haven't provided any real reason why this should happen.
And Esperanto isn't exclusively for non-jewish people nor is hebrew exclusively jewish so just what are you basing this piece of text on?
Both hebrew and esperanto are open for people who for some reason feels a need to learn them. What would the pressing need be for 100% of the world population be to learn hebrew? Or Esperanto? Or any other language for that matter?

Being free from emotions mean to be free from language creativity potential and it is not good even for axial language.
After all axial status is not good and is not true.
People remember very well the extremist’s historical forms of Esperanto movement.

Source for this claim? Just what do you think the words you just posted mean and what are your sources for Esperanto being the work of an extremist movement?
Also being free from emotions can be a bonus or do you want your surgeon during a critical operation to break down in tears and being unable to perform or an police officer to avoid taking a shot to save a victim out of nerves?
Second, you claim that there are a connection between language and creativity. Please provide evidence for this claim or I will call utter gibberish.

There were many Esperanto radicals that sow future world post national and Esperanto monolingual one.

Again: What are your evidence for such a movement?

Unfortunately we have not such good devices to translate Holy Language in English as in the case of Esperanto.

Yes we do. It's called an English-hebrew-english vocabulary. As far as I understand they even have...*gasp* thesauruses......

 

[The_Fire]

May I politely suggest that before you start on your quest, you learn proper English. Otherwise people will have difficulty understanding you.

Br, Hans

I second this. Decoding the posts of NCwhatever is giving me a headache. And I haven't even downed my first May Day beer yet....

 

[slingblade]

Heh, a forum friend called yesterday and wondered why his campus was having a May Day celebration on the 30th. I said, "Ah, Beltane."

I admit, I do rather miss the bonfires and the, um, rites to insure a fertile crop.

 

[Piscivore]

By the by, talking about jargon. Guess what a "poodle" is in my buisness/neck of the woods?
I'll give a hint: The big version is sometimes used with a "zeppelin" when it's windy. And it's from the film/television buisness.....

Weathergirls?

 

[jimbob]

Most people who believe that Christ lived at all are of the opinion that he spoke Aramaic as his native language, since Aramaic was the lingua franca of his time and region. I will confess that I am no expert on these languages, but everything I have read on the subject says that Aramaic, although a close relative of Hebrew, is not Hebrew, any more than Swedish is German; and, according to some, the recent prevalence of Hebrew has done exactly what you suggest is the wrong thing when it occurs with other languages: it has supplanted the native language of Aramaic speakers.

Wiki on Samaritan Aramaic


Given the history, this would support what you are saying.

 

[slingblade]

It is very easy to prove this fact.
Just look at 10 emigrants families that live more than 40 years in USA, Australia, Canada, New Zealand or Israel and you will see that in 9 of them third generation do not know their national language.
They know monolingual the language of residential state and nothing else.

My mother's grandparents came to the U.S. from Norka, Russia, in 1890. Her father was born in the U.S., thus making her second-generation American. Thus, this is her native land, and English was her native tongue, her "national" language.

In one nationalist anti cosmopolitan site members did not want to teach their children Esperanto and Holy Resurrected language.

Neither do I.

They were sure that it is “Jewish invention to denationalize all world nationals.

Then they are ignorant bigots and you should not be listening to them.

According their point of view Jews has invited two languages in the same time.
One was Esperanto – the primitive language for non-Jews and another was Resurrected Holy Language of God and Bible only for Jews.
So I do not want Jews to be exclusive owners of Holy Language.

And there we have it.

Look: people cannot "own" a language. Not in the sense you seem to mean it.

If you want to learn a language, learn it. You won't be awakened in the middle of the night by the Cunning Linguists of Israel, demanding you stop allowing their exclusive phonemes to escape your lips.

I don't presume to know your nationality, ehtnicity, or religious persuasion, but your comment could possibly be taken as anti-Semitic. You might want to consider that.

Let us teach Hebrew every child natively together with his national language.

No. Once more, and with feeling: NO.

 

[The_Fire]

Heh, a forum friend called yesterday and wondered why his campus was having a May Day celebration on the 30th. I said, "Ah, Beltane."

I admit, I do rather miss the bonfires and the, um, rites to insure a fertile crop.

Well, it's a bit hard doing the High Rite (I must admit I shamelessly scalp rites from the Wiccans even if I'm not considering myself one) as it should be performed without compagny (I'm Solitair) and with a super whom woud be rather miffed if I set the front lawn on fire, so I'm stuck with the compagny of a chalice, my sacred knife and one heck of a lot of candles. Prefer Samhain though.

Weathergirls?

*gets a mental picture of weatherfairy Peter Tanev wearing only a "poodle"*

EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW! How the heck am I supposed to project the correct feelings for my midnight rite with THAT stuck in my mind???!

 

[Jackalgirl]

It is very easy to prove this fact.
Just look at 10 emigrants families that live more than 40 years in USA, Australia, Canada, New Zealand or Israel and you will see that in 9 of them third generation do not know their national language.
They know monolingual the language of residential state and nothing else.

Kiel aliuloj jam diris, la "enrezia ŝtato" ne estas "enrezia ŝtato". Mi estas 2-generacia usonulo el italia avo. Sed mi ne estas italiulo, mi estas usonulo, kaj mia nacia lingvo estas la angla. Mia avo venis al usono por iĝi usonulo, por ke viaj infanoj estu usonuloj.

In one nationalist anti cosmopolitan site members did not want to teach their children Esperanto and Holy Resurrected language.
They were sure that it is “Jewish invention to denationalize all world nationals.
According their point of view Jews has invited two languages in the same time.
One was Esperanto – the primitive language for non-Jews and another was Resurrected Holy Language of God and Bible only for Jews.

1) Esperanto ne estas "primitiva". Denove, vi nur provas ke vi scias nenion pri Esperanto.

2) Unu "nacialista kontraŭ-urba situo" -- ĉi vi volas diri "paĝaro" -- retpaĝaro? Vi basas vian opinion pri unu extremata paĝaro? Ĉu vi iam sciiĝis pri la (angla) frazo "data mining"?

Ĉu vi ne volis diri "paĝaro", kiun "situon" vi citas?

So I do not want Jews to be exclusive owners of Holy Language.
Let us teach Hebrew every child natively together with his national language.

Ne. Mi tute ne interesiĝis, simple ĉar vi ne volas, ke israelanoj ne estu la unuaj parolantoj de la hebrea.

Being free from emotions mean to be free from language creativity potential and it is not good even for axial language.
After all axial status is not good and is not true.

Mi ne scias, kion vi volas diri. Esperanto ne estas "libera de emocioj". La angla ankaŭ ne.

People remember very well the extremist’s historical forms of Esperanto movement.
There were many Esperanto radicals that sow future world post national and Esperanto monolingual one.

Sensensaĵon. Donu citaĵojn. Mi vetas, via fonto por tiu informo estas Nazi-paĝaro, aŭ io simila. Eble vi ne nur serĉu ekstremajn paĝarojn en via klopodo trovi ian informon -- ian ajn informon, kiu subtenas viajn ridindajn ideojn.

Unfortunately we have not such good devices to translate Holy Language in English as in the case of Esperanto.

Ne estas bezonata. Poŝtu ĵus en la hebrea, kaj aliaj israelaj forum-membranoj petinde elhebreigos.

 

[Nationalcosmopolitan]

Why Jews all over the world do not want to teach their children Holy Resurrected Language of their nation natively?!
Why Christian all over the world do not want to teach their children Holy Resurrected Language of Bible and Christ Jewish nationality?
Why Muslims all over the world do not want to teach their children Holy Resurrected Language of Holy for them Bible according Koran?
Why well educated non religious people all over the world that simply respect Christian or Muslims or Jewish culture and history – the base of almost all today’s modern culture and art do not teach their children Holy Resurrected Language?
I am absolutely disappointed about this common position of Jews and non-Jews, of religious and non-religious people from many different forums.

I fill that I am a single man in the world that know exactly that Holly Resurrected Language is a common culture code of future humanity and I can’t explain this to the people.

But let us go to this problem from another side.
Let us presume that we have excellent devices that can translate from every national language immediately and with quality even better than professional translator.
So it is absolutely enough to the man to remain his national language speaking monolingual person.
So you can successfully graduate Oxford, Cambridge, Harvard, Sarbona with out English or French language knowledge.
There are 3 variants developing of such situation:
1 Most people will remain national language speaking monolinguals.
2 Most people will become different language speaking bilinguals just because statistically bilinguals much more competitive than monolinguals.
3 People do not need the common language for free from emotion communication in rational point of view, but they need common language principally for not rational spirit communication.
The language that can be common to all nations as classical music or art.
I have no doubt that this common language of really free future people can be only Bible Holy Resurrected language.
So most people will become national – Holy language bilinguals.

 

[drkitten]

Why Jews all over the world do not want to teach their children Holy Resurrected Language of their nation natively?!

Because it will not benefit them in any significant way.

Why Christian all over the world do not want to teach their children Holy Resurrected Language of Bible and Christ Jewish nationality?

Because it will not benefit them in any significant way.

Why Muslims all over the world do not want to teach their children Holy Resurrected Language of Holy for them Bible according Koran?

Because it will not benefit them in any significant way.

What's so hard about that particular answer that you need to be given it three separate times?

Why well educated non religious people all over the world that simply respect Christian or Muslims or Jewish culture and history – the base of almost all today’s modern culture and art do not teach their children Holy Resurrected Language?

Because it's polite to respect other people's cultures. This has little to do "Christian" or "Jewish" or "Muslim" -- it's equally polite to respect Japanese/Shinto or Indian/Buddhist culture as well. "Holy Resurrected Drivel" has little to do with it.

I fill that I am a single man in the world that know exactly that Holly Resurrected Language is a common culture code of future humanity and I can’t explain this to the people.

You're right. That's because you can't explain what simply isn't true, and no amount of verbiage will rescue you from the fact that your "Holy Resurrected Drivel" is only the ravings of your own imagination.

But let us go to this problem from another side.
Let us presume that we have excellent devices that can translate from every national language immediately and with quality even better than professional translator.
So it is absolutely enough to the man to remain his national language speaking monolingual person.
So you can successfully graduate Oxford, Cambridge, Harvard, Sarbona with out English or French language knowledge.

It's spelled "Sorbonne," but what the hell.

There are 3 variants developing of such situation:
1 Most people will remain national language speaking monolinguals.
2 Most people will become different language speaking bilinguals just because statistically bilinguals much more competitive than monolinguals.
3 People do not need the common language for free from emotion communication in rational point of view, but they need common language principally for not rational spirit communication.

And the first option will almost certainly be the the one that transpires.

The language that can be common to all nations as classical music or art.

Neither classical music nor art are "language"; they can't express propositions. If you think I'm wrong, please write me a sonata asking for a ham sandwich, with tomato and lettuce but no mustard.

I have no doubt that this common language of really free future people can be only Bible Holy Resurrected language.

Yes, but you not only have no doubt, but you have no evidence --- and have provided no reason for anyone else on this thread to believe you.

I believe quite the opposite. When no one needs to learn foreign languages, almost no one will, and the entire world will consist largely of monolinguals (and language hobbyists). (How many people know how to make shoes today? It's easier to learn to make shoes than it is to learn a foreign language. Why aren't you going on about the Holy Ressurected Shoes?)

 

[Piscivore]

Kiel aliuloj jam diris, la "enrezia ŝtato" ne estas "enrezia ŝtato". Mi estas 2-generacia usonulo el italia avo. Sed mi ne estas italiulo, mi estas usonulo, kaj mia nacia lingvo estas la angla. Mia avo venis al usono por iĝi usonulo, por ke viaj infanoj estu usonuloj.

1) Esperanto ne estas "primitiva". Denove, vi nur provas ke vi scias nenion pri Esperanto.

2) Unu "nacialista kontraŭ-urba situo" -- ĉi vi volas diri "paĝaro" -- retpaĝaro? Vi basas vian opinion pri unu extremata paĝaro? Ĉu vi iam sciiĝis pri la (angla) frazo "data mining"?

Ĉu vi ne volis diri "paĝaro", kiun "situon" vi citas?



Ne. Mi tute ne interesiĝis, simple ĉar vi ne volas, ke israelanoj ne estu la unuaj parolantoj de la hebrea.



Mi ne scias, kion vi volas diri. Esperanto ne estas "libera de emocioj". La angla ankaŭ ne.



Sensensaĵon. Donu citaĵojn. Mi vetas, via fonto por tiu informo estas Nazi-paĝaro, aŭ io simila. Eble vi ne nur serĉu ekstremajn paĝarojn en via klopodo trovi ian informon -- ian ajn informon, kiu subtenas viajn ridindajn ideojn.



Ne estas bezonata. Poŝtu ĵus en la hebrea, kaj aliaj israelaj forum-membranoj petinde elhebreigos.

Yvan eht nioj.

 

[six7s]

Why Jews all over the world...
Why Christian all over the world...
Why Muslims all over the world...
Why well educated non religious people all over the world that simply respect Christian or Muslims or Jewish culture and history – the base of almost all today’s modern culture and art do not teach their children Holy Resurrected Language?

I'll answer these rhetorical questions with an anecdotal answer, based on my observations of ordinary people (e.g. ordinary Jews, ordinary Christians, ordinary Muslims and ordinary 'educated non religious people') living ordinary lives in many parts of the world:

Ordinary people living ordinary lives have bigger fish to fry...

And I have a hunch that a considerable proportion of people throughout the world are simply nominally religious, by virtue of nothing more significant than their cultural traditions

Although a global language might fulfill some fantasies dreamed up by idealists living a life divorced from reality, adopting your 'Holy Resurrected Language' ain't gonna fix the more pressing problems that concern ordinary people

I am absolutely disappointed about this common position of Jews and non-Jews, of religious and non-religious people from many different forums.

To be frank, this is your problem... one that won't go away until you fix it. I suggest that simply forgetting about it will fix it without any adverse repercussions

I fill that I am a single man in the world that know exactly that Holly Resurrected Language is a common culture code of future humanity and I can’t explain this to the people.

Maybe if you weren't a single man, you'd understand why your 'solution' is totally irrelevant to the problems encountered by ordinary people living in ordinary neighbourhoods where parents and teenagers often feel like they don't 'speak the same language'

 

[Gravy]

I fill that I am a single man in the world that know exactly that Holly Resurrected Language is a common culture code of future humanity and I can’t explain this to the people.

You're right about one thing: you can't explain this to the people.

 

[bruto]

Why Christian all over the world do not want to teach their children Holy Resurrected Language of Bible and Christ Jewish nationality?

If you're going to castigate Christians for their choice of language, you need to do some more research into what the Language of Christ might actually have been. And don't forget that the part of the Bible that is most relevant to Christians was written originally in Greek, and to have it in Hebrew would require translation, with all the possibility for error that that entails.

 

[jimbob]

I fill that I am a single man in the world that know exactly that Holly Resurrected Language is a common culture code of future humanity and I can’t explain this to the people.y

I presume you mean "the only person", and not "a single person"?

I am the only person who is marching in time, everyone else is out of step by exactly the same amount.

 

[bruto]

..... can’t explain this to the people.

Wrong language, perhaps.

 

[six7s]

Wrong language, perhaps.

Or, maybe... just maybe... the wrong message

 

[Nationalcosmopolitan]

If you're going to castigate Christians for their choice of language, you need to do some more research into what the Language of Christ might actually have been. And don't forget that the part of the Bible that is most relevant to Christians was written originally in Greek, and to have it in Hebrew would require translation, with all the possibility for error that that entails.

Let us presume that Jesus did not know Hebrew as most of Jewish people of HIS time.
HE preached on Aramaic – the language of Jews in Judea.
Most Jews in that time in synagogues read Torah on Hebrew with out understanding and than translation of the text on “sofa pshuta” - simple language Aramaic.

Unfortunately Christians have not text of New Testament on the language of Jesus preaches – Aramaic.
So every of many Christian confessions all over the world read the New Testament or on national language or on Greek, Latin, Church Slovenian and may be some other ancient national languages.

But after God Resurrection of Holy Language they have no any reason to read an Old Testament on the same language they read the New Testament.
Only Torah Resurrected Language is the only language they have use to read the Old Testament.
And the New Testament they can read the way they traditionally do.

Shabat – Saturday translated from Hebrew – “the seventh day”.
It will be great when in their seventh day of the week – Friday Muslims will read Holy Book – Tanah – Old Testament – on Holy Resurrected Language.
It will be great when in their seventh day of the week – Sunday Christians will read Holy Book – Tanah – Old Testament – on Holy Resurrected Language.

It is great that Jews on their seventh day of the week – Saturday read Tanah on Holy Resurrected Language.
It will be great when bi - religious Buddhists and Cintaists on their seventh day will read Holy Book on Holy Resurrected Language.
One Resurrected Language, One Holy Book reading and understanding on Holy Resurrected Language at the seventh day by Four World Religious people all over the world will resurrect the understanding that all world people are brothers.

It will be three days a week free from job – Friday, Saturday and Sunday and 35 work hours a week as our equal respect to three world religious bilingual people – the sons of Abraham and brothers to each other.