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First of all I want to point that your level of understanding of my idea is 100%.

We all understand your "idea." We are trying to tell you it's an idea with little merit.

You just had said that you agree to have as common world language every pidgin (the language of trading different tapes) every jargon (the language of international criminal society) every art generated language but not the language of Bible that had resurrected.


Jargon is not "the language of international criminal society." What English-to-Gibberish dictionary told you that ridiculous notion?

Jargon is simply specialized, technical language used within certain fields, such as medicine, education, writing, or even plumbing.

Are you done yet, or do you have more nonsense to present that we can reject?
 
It is much better to say Exclusive Phenomena.


No, it is better to say oddity, which is why I said it.

It will be unfortunately so till it will be today’s chaos in people world migration.
But soon we will see the end of this situation.
United Europe had given a good example of migration between 25 it’s states.
I am sure that no pidgin, no piscine, no china English, no other jargon or cockney English will born in United Europe.


Glub?

First of all I want to point that your level of understanding of my idea is 100%.


Which is precisely why I reject it.

You just had said that you agree to have as common world language every pidgin (the language of trading different tapes) every jargon (the language of international criminal society) every art generated language but not the language of Bible that had resurrected.


No, I said it is far more likely that a common language would be some form of pidgin or creole, or even possibly an invented language such as Esperanto or 1337.

Why I have to explain you that it is the most respectable language in the world and it is the main reason to make it the common one in bilingual form with national language.


Wei?
 
God wants to preserve all national cultures and languages because He is Creator of them.
It is a separation instrument for nations independent free development.
From another hand God wants to give a common language for all world people communication.
In a history there were many “imperil” languages that tried to be common.
For because all of them, including English (the last candidate to become common) had a great danger – world monolingualisation they can’t be the common languages of Global Bilingual Future God believers World.
Only Hebrew – the language of Bible recreated magically after 2700 years of death can and have to be this common language of national – Resurrected Hebrew bilingual Global world.
I do not want to make any limits to modern expansion of English.
But God strongly wishes to return all people to HIS RESURRECTED HOLY LANGUAGE.


Koran and Torah language are God Holy ones.
But Arabic did not go throw died and resurrection.
I am absolutely sure that Muhammad and Jesus and Moshe are celebrate together the first Holy Language and Israel State resurrection as the beginning of post monolingual global world.

May I politely suggest that before you start on your quest, you learn proper English. Otherwise people will have difficulty understanding you.

Br, Hans
 
I can’t prove this point but I am absolutely sure that Hebrew makes a man being absolutely free from being Zombie.

I speak Hebrew. I live in Israel. I am a zombie*.

Oh, well, there goes that idea.

*I certainly was at 3:15 this morning, when my younger son decided he was thirsty. Grmmmpmph. Kudos to the wife.
 
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May I politely suggest that before you start on your quest, you learn proper English. Otherwise people will have difficulty understanding you.

Br, Hans
People have difficulties in each other understanding even when they use natively high English.
We are in Internet Forum.
It is a matter of fact that the main Internet language is English.
It is new times when some internet translation making devices give me possibility to communicate creatively with natively speaking English people.
I am sure that the most people speaking with me are not Englishmen.
Let us be more sensible to the creative ideas of each other and more tolerant to bad English that becomes better in process of this dispute.

I dream about the time when international creative groups that use a “bad English” to communicate with each other will reach much better results in different areas than natively speaking English creative groups.

I speak Hebrew. I live in Israel. I am a zombie*.

Oh, well, there goes that idea.

*I certainly was at 3:15 this morning, when my younger son decided he was thirsty. Grmmmpmph. Kudos to the wife.
What is your opinion about giving Holy Resurrected Language to every child the same way as we teach Hebrew in misrad klita new repatriates from almost all countries?
Do you think that we had resurrected Holy Language only for Jews or for all One God believers of the world?
 
It wouldn't work because no one would use the language outside of the classroom, and it would get lost, much as I can't put more than a simple sentence together in French, since I stopped using it as soon as I finished high school sixteen years ago. Hebrew would remain the academic curiosity that it now is outside of Israel, Jewish and academic circles - except for the ignorant tourists who will waste everyone's time breaking their teeth trying to "converse" with the locals in the local tongue. Spare me. Let the Europeans deal with that. I'm perfectly happy with the present situation, thank you.

But on a different note: if Hebrew has such a holy status, why would you want just any old fool to speak it? If it has such spiritual power, why would you grant that power to those unschooled in it? If you think that fluency in Hebrew somehow grants the speaker some spiritual elevation, think again. I'm fluent, and just as much a low-life as the next guy.
 
Nationalcosmopolitan, I am not sure you have quite grasped what a truly secular state is. If you went directly from the Soviet Union, in which the government concerned itself actively with the suppression of religion, to Israel, where the State is based on religion, you have not experienced a secular society at all.

You have yet to convince anyone why the vast and diverse peoples of the world should care a fig about the holiness of Hebrew, and why it would benefit them in any way in the jobs of communication and commerce for which a common language might be beneficial. Just saying it's holy and resurrected is not enough. Saying it's the language of God is unconvincing not only to those who doubt that there is a god, but also to the large number religious leaders and followers in the world who are convinced by their own religious teachings and experiences that God or the holy messengers of God are sufficiently intelligent and obliging to speak to them in their own language.

The idea that all the world should be bilingual, with one language common to all, is a fine one in principle, but you have not come anywhere within striking distance of convincing us that that common language should be Hebrew.
 
I am sure that no pidgin, no piscine, no china English, no other jargon or cockney English will born in United Europe.

No "piscine"? Isn't a "piscine" a kind of swimming pool? I'm not sure what word you wanted to use, but that sure wasn't it.

But about the rest -- no, you're wrong. Linguists are watching pidgins, jargons, and subdialects develop in Europe even as we speak. It's an active area of study among sociolinguists and creolists.
 
I can define myself as a secular person too.
But I was an evidence of collapse of Soviet Empire, for one year.
After that almost 280 billions of people had become God believers of Muslim, Christian, Buddhist and Jewish different confessions.
You simply were far from world dramatic events and it is the main reason of your pragmatism and atheism.

You insult me, pretending to know why I'm an atheist, tovarishch. You do not know. My decision to renounce Christianity and my belief that there is no god have nothing to do with the collapse of the Soviet Empire.

I detect a smattering of smug self-importance in your posts. Try to refrain.



It suddenly has come hypothesis to my mind that Hebrew Resurrected language can be or the most hypnosis language or most free from hypnosis abilities language.
I can’t prove this point but I am absolutely sure that Hebrew makes a man being absolutely free from being Zombie.


My comment was a play on words; a joke. Resurrected = zombie. Get it? No?
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You insult me, pretending to know why I'm an atheist, tovarishch. You do not know. My decision to renounce Christianity and my belief that there is no god have nothing to do with the collapse of the Soviet Empire.

Something to do with a rational assessment that even the religious are atheists about every other god?

Or the teapot argument?
 
Something to do with a rational assessment that even the religious are atheists about every other god?

Or the teapot argument?

I dunno. Apparently I'm an atheist because I'm not where the action is, baby.

Basil Exposition: The Cold War's over.
Austin Powers: Ah, finally those capitalist pigs will pay for their crimes, eh? Eh, comrades? Eh?
Basil Exposition: Austin, we won.
Austin Powers: Oh, groovy, smashing. Yay capitalism!
 
The idea that all the world should be bilingual, with one language common to all, is a fine one in principle, but you have not come anywhere within striking distance of convincing us that that common language should be Hebrew.

Ok, let us try not to strand a baby together with dirty water.
Let us try to find the common language from all national languages, artifact ones, so called dead languages.
Let us use the voting method.
The language that will get the most votes will be the common one in future national – common languages bilingual model of new man.
Just one condition – this language has not be your natively known monolingual language.
The same way as Khazar prince Bulan has accepted the religious of Jews.
He has separated Christian pastor and Muslim pastor and has asked what religious they would like to choose except there own.
And they has chosen Jewish religious.

List of languages -candidates: English - 700 billions people know it natively. Most of them are not Anglo Saxons and they remember this.
China language – 1500 billions.
Hindi – 1000 billions.
Arabic – 300 billions Arabs and just 1% of Muslims of other nationals.
It is the Holy language of Koran to 1500 billions of Muslims.
Muslims do not want to teach Arabic because they have a historical experience of many world nationals violent making Arabic monolingual.
Spanish – 500 billions Latin American and Spain people. Most of them are not Spain and they remember this.
Latin language – the common language of west European Elite till 16 – 17 century.
Aramaic – the common language of Assyrian, Babylon and Persian Empires, the language of Christ preaching, the language of Talmud that know many today’s Orthodox Jews.
Esperanto – the most popular art designed language that has about 2 billion followers all over the world.
Hebrew – the really language of Israel people that gives them possibility to live in modern life style and to read and understand three world religious’ Holy Book Bible in original God given versa according 2/3 of world population believe.
It was so called “dead language” from Babylon captivity of Jews for 2500 years and was restored by Ben Judo.
Future Israel citizens had run out from there Jewish dialects languages Yiddish, Latino and many others and had recognized this language as Israel State language.

I am absolutely sure that the most people will chose Hebrew as common one.
It is the most primitive from this list except Esparanto.
It is very easy to learn it.
It is a Holy Resurrected Language.
It is art-designed language.
It is the language of Resurrected Israel.
It is a language of Holy Book for Jews, Christians and Muslims.
Real Hebrew simply has no ability to be a single language of any nation including Jews.
So there is no any dangerous that Hebrew common will become the national languages killer as every other historical franks lingo in bilingual model.
Hebrew is a single and the first language in the world history that was died and was resurrected.
It means that Hebrew common will protect every national language from being forgotten.
Hebrew is the first resurrected language but not the last at all.
Many dead national languages will be resurrected the same way as Hebrew.
There is no any secret of how to do it.
 
Mi tute ne kredas, ke la lernado de la hebrea kiel internacia lingvo estas bona ideo. Mi jam klarigis, kial mi tiel kredas, sed Nationalcosmopolitan tute ne respondis al miaj argumentoj. Do, mi nur respondos al li Esperante. Estas demonstreble pli facile, ke li lernu Esperanton por kunparoli kun mi, ol ke mi lernu la hebrean aŭ la rusan.

Kaj mi nun prezentas ĉi tiun defion: mi opinias, ke Dio venis al L. L. Zamenhof kaj enmetis la ideon temante pri Esperanto en lia menson. Do, Esperanto kreiĝis de Dio por la celo de tutmonda paco sen ligemo al relegiaj, naciaj, aŭ historiaj ideoj. Mi bonkore atendas vian pruvon de mia eraro.

Paranteze, mi vetas bieron ke la membraro de ĉi tiu mesaĝfadeno pli rapide komprenos ĉi tiun mesaĝon ol ili komprenos mesaĝon en la hebrea. Por me, la rezultato de iu ajn ideo plej gravas, kaj estas la plej granda mezuro de la vero de tiu ideo -- ĉu Esperanto estas plej komprenebla por popoloj tra la mondo, kaj ĉu personoj povas Esperanton utili por kunkompreneco kaj por eviti militon, tio estas la pruvo ke ĝi estas pli vera -- kaj pli sankta.
 
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Let us try to find the common language from all national languages, artifact ones, so called dead languages.
Let us use the voting method...

One question: Why?

If it ain't broke, don't fix it

I am absolutely sure that the most people will chose Hebrew as common one.

I have a hunch that (ir)regardless of your answer to my question above, the overwhelmingly vast majority of the 6 (maybe 9, max) billion people on this planet will choose to conveniently forget to vote
 
Ah, Pisci, you cunning linguist, you.

NationalCosmo, you have your numbers horribly wrong! There cannot possibly be 700 billion speakers of English, as there are only 6.6 billion people on the entire planet.

As to dead languages: do you know what the term means? A language is said to be dead when the last native speaker of it dies. Many of these languages are not written, but entirely oral. Once the last speaker has died, it would be night impossible to resurrect an oral language, as it isn't written anywhere and no one exists any more who knows it. There are currently an approximate 7,000 languages spoken today, and they die out at a rate of roughly one each month.

English is the most commonly learned second language today, and the first global lingua franca the world has known. It is taught as a second language in more countries around the world than any other language. It is the fastest growing language, with Spanish being a close second. It is especially popular in China.

There is no reason why all these countries, all these schools, and all these people are going to just give up learning and using English and suddenly all switch to Hebrew. I could far more easily see the world choosing Spanish as its global language than I could see it being Hebrew.
It isn't even among the world's top ten languages (measured in number of speakers, not popularity).

There is absolutely no support for your idea, save your own zeal for it.
 
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The coolest thing about Esperanto, I can actually understand at least the gist of Jackalgirl's post. Hebrew? Not a chance.







Which is really her point.

Nu, Esperanto basiĝis en eŭropaj lingvoj, kaj pro tio estas eĉ pli simpla ke parolantoj de lingvoj el la eŭropa lingvofamilioj komprenas ĝin. Por parolantoj de orientaj lingvoj ĝi pli malfacilas -- sed ankoraŭ estas tre pli facile ol la angla (aŭ la hebrea).

Kaj mi malakordas kun Nationalcosmopolitan ke la hebrea estas "simpla". Tuta sensencaĵo.
 
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