Lord Language Resurrection.

[Nationalcosmopolitan]

But we're not all supposed to learn Phonecian, we're all supposed to learn Hebrew.

Ok I suppose everybody to learn Phoenician Resurrected Holy language of Torah because they are the same ones.

Muslims believe that the Torah (as Jews know it) is a corruption of the original relevation

All who had read Koran knows that according it Torah and New Testmant are Holy books.

What?

Now you're in essence claiming that people who do not know Hebrew are not spiritually or intellectually free.

Hebrew speaking natively monolinguals have no intellectual and spirit freedom too.
Only national language – Holy Resurrected language bilinguals have intellectual and spiritual freedom and comfort.
If we will see in Resurrected Israel only Holy Language natively speaking monolinguals after 50 – 100 years it will be the beginning of the end of Israel.

And is more than a little patronizing.

Great patronizing of Holy Resurrected language worldwide expansion oppose to national languages killing expansions of every others historically being lingo franks including today’s English.

 

[six7s]

Great patronizing of Holy Resurrected language worldwide expansion oppose to national languages killing expansions of every others historically being lingo franks including today’s English.

@Nationalcosmopolitan - FYI:

In today's (colloquial) English, the term patronising has negative connotations

Similarly, responses incorporating the term bollocks and/or the phrase 'you are talking out of your arse' are rarely, if ever, complimentary

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This post brought to you by the letters B and S

 

[Nationalcosmopolitan]

If God wants us to speak a specific language, why not Aramaic?

Just because Aramaic not the Holy Resurrected Language.
But it is the language of Jesus preaching, Judaic Talmud and last chapters of Hebrew Bible.

It's a very strange idea of freedom that would have us
learn a single language to please God, rather than the rather obvious notion that God, who ought to be able to understand anything and everything without strain, would hear us in whatever form suits us. What kind of stupid passive-aggressive, redneck god would care what language his people use when they pray, praise and worship him?

I simply want to point that today a man has 2 great possibilities to speak with God throw reading Holly books on his national and on Resurrected Holy Language that was Resurrected not for Jews only but for all nationals God believers.

So, I'll say the same thing here:

If your god wants me to speak another language, he can make me able to speak it.
Until that day, I'll continue in the language I know. Thanks.

You are absolutely right – all great values the man has to reach easy with God help.
It is very easy to teach your children the Holy Resurrected Language to give them the Great possibilities to read and discuss Holy Book on this language.

Well aside from that, it suddenly occurred to me as I was driving home tonight that....wait a second....who is responsible, (according to the Bible, of course) for the diversity of language in the first place? Hmmm, let's see now, does something about a big tower ring a bell? If that old tinpot desert demiurge wanted us to speak one language, he sure went about it in a bassackward way. I'd hate to see all of humanity go to all the trouble of learning Hebrew and then having the old Bastard pop down from his whirlwind and say "don't you guys ever learn?"

Even if you hate Jews and their Resurrected language you have to teach this language your children to give them the possibility to read Holy Book on it if you believe in God of course.
It will become ethical imperative to all nationals’ Got believers.

Going from Buddhism as accepting of other faiths to Buddhism promoting Hebrew and Christianity is a ridiculous stretch of the imagination. In addition, the goal of Buddhism is not attaining an afterlife. Quite the opposite of the Abrahamic religions.

Please cite anywhere in the Pali cannon where such a scenario is described.

Jewish kabalistic believe in reincarnation and Buddhists believe in it.
It is the matter of fact that Jewish religious elite have a very good complementary relation ships with Buddhist one oppose bad relation ships with Christian and Muscleman elates.
After all more and more Buddhist become bi-religious and goes to Christian Cherch.

 

[Jackalgirl]

Evangelicals Christians has their embassy in Jerusalem.

Could you please clarify what you mean when you say "Evangelicals Christians"? Are you talking about Evangelical Protestant Christians? Catholics? What do you mean?

Vatican City has an embassy in Israel because they're a sovereign country. Evangelical Christians don't have an embassy because they're not. Missions, maybe.

Edited to add: I stand corrected; I just found the webpage for the International Christian Embassy in Jerusalem. Is this what you're talking about? I note that on their list of principles, they don't mention language, but merely their belief that Christians should support the restoration of Israel as a nation. One would presume, of course, that that involves supporting Hebrew...as the national language of Israel. Have you spoken with anyone from this "Embassy" about your language proposal?

After resurrection of Israel State and the Holy Language they have no doubt that Jews are God chosen people.
They want from Jews recognition of Jesus even the same way as Koran and Muslims recognize HIM.
To tell you the truth I am agree with evangelists Christians in many points.
The most evangelists Christians do not live in Israel constantly but many of them teach there children Hebrew – Resurrected Torah language.
I am absolutely sure that if they have really possibilities to give their children to live in Israel Resurrected language and culture environment – they will do this.

I think that you are saying that Evangelical Christians will -- if they have the opportunity -- want their children to learn Hebrew in an immersion environment (such as Israel) because it is the "Resurrected Torah language".

My husband (who is Evangelical): "No."

He also points out that Evangelical Christians living in Israel with their children teach their children Hebrew because it is the national language of Israel, not because it the "Resurrected Torah Language". I pointed out to him that I have told you this about five times now, apparently to no avail.

And it is what I am talking about for every Christian and Muslims national confessions people.

All Abrahamic believers have to understand that it is a Great evil sin not to teach their children the Holy Resurrected language.

Are you saying that all JICs believe this? Or that you are now stating that you believe it is a sin not to teach children Hebrew?

The same Great evil sin is not to teach the children their national language natively.

Bible, New Testament, Koran and even Buddhist tractate – the Holy Books of Four World Religious are support my idea of postmonoligual – bilingual and even multilingual new people world absolutely.
Because I do not propose to destroy any one of existed cultural and religious institutes.

Absolutely new and effective Global society with out destroying anything from the last cultural world national history.

I'm with Hok. Please provide some cites from Buddhist texts that support what you're saying.

http://www.krysstal.com/writing_evolution.html
http://www.krysstal.com/writing_phonecian.html
http://www.krysstal.com/writing_hebrew.html
Read please Hebrew and Phoenician A, B, C in English.
The same sounds, the same A, B, C pronunciation
Different graphic, but it is because Hebrew A, B, C was printed and even Hebrew written by had mutated.
If Phoenician ancient scriptures exist I have no doubt that natively speaking Hebrew person can read and understand them.

I'm not sure I agree with this. I am, however, not a linguist. However, Phonecian and Hebrew, though closely-related, are different languages. (Otherwise, one would be a dialect of the other.) I don't believe that the Torah was written in Phonecian (but then again, I am no Torah scholar).

Ok to prove my point is enough to know and understand that for Buddhists is not forbidden to another religious believer together with Buddhist one.

As Hok points out, that's a far cry from promoting Hebrew as "God's holy resurrected language".

Once more Hebrew and Phoenician alphabets are just the same things.
The language of 5 books Torah was the mother language of all so called western languages.

And Bible says just the same.

You are wrong. If the Bible truly says this, then it is wrong too. I already pointed out the major Western language families in a previous post. I won't repeat it.

It was the language of Babylon tower builders human beings.
I can’t prove this point but I heard from many orthodox Jews that it was the same language as the language of Torah.

First, you need to prove that the Tower of Babel is anything other than a myth. I'd be more likely to believe Neal Stephenson's version of the story (that the pre-Babel language was Sumerian); his version hangs together better than yours.

(See his book Snow Crash. It's a fantastic book, and makes a great case for Sumerian being the pre-Babel language. It also explains what the whole Babel event was about -- bearing in mind, of course, that it's all fiction.)

They can’t be unworkable because they have a Great Attractive potential to 2/3 of world wide monotheistic believers – 4*10^9 people of the world.

I think you suffer from a grave misunderstanding about faith. Just because a certain number of people are monotheistic does not mean that they think about God in the same way. How many different versions of Christianity are there? How many versions of Judaism? How many different versions of Islam? You persist in thinking that they are all the same religion. Wars have been fought -- and continue to be fought -- because one group of people interprets the exact same document in some different way, much less three different holy texts.

To extrapolate your economically determinate philosophy we have to teach hour children only English and will become the Global World of only English Speaking monolinguals.

You are putting words in my mouth. I never stated that English would, or should, be the only world language. I merely stated that it is the global language of commerce (and, in some cases, education, depending on what you're doing). People still speak their own national languages. It's just that in order to get anywhere globally, you need to be able to be passably good at English.

In English, what you have just done is called "creating a strawman argument".

<clips a lot of redudant stuff>

There was only one successful project of art creating languages and it was the project of Ben Judo – the project of Resurrection Holy language for native use of Resurrected Israel people and after that to give it to the children of all monotheistic believers.


Exactly this environment will build monotheistic believers for there children all over the world to teach Holy Resurrected Language together with national one for reaching salvation in another life and in this life too.

Nope. Already explained why.

From borne of Christian and Muslim religious it was impossible to believers to read and understand and discuss the Holy Book on Holy language just because it was dead even for Jews.
And now after it’s Great Resurrection they really have such possibilities.
Are you really thing they will be so stupid not to use it?

Yup. Already explained why.

To read and to discuss Holy Book on Holy Resurrected language is enough reason to teach children Hebrew in all of the world.

The Torah, yes, for those people to whom that sort of thing is important. For people to whom the Bible is important, they might want to teach their kids Aramaic. For Muslims, Arabic is the way to go.

For me? That'd be Middle and Late Egyptian. Maybe the next generation will be interested in that sort of thing; if she is, I'd be happy to sit down and learn it with her (I already know a little, but a very little).

Ecclesiastic right that Holy City Jerusalem will resurrected and will become the world center.
Many people believe that it is in the main stream right prediction.

I don't think so. No way to predict the future, of course. But if Jerusalem wants to become the world center, it's going to have to figure out how to get the majority of the Islamic middle-eastern world to stop wanting to wipe it off the map. Well, I imagine that they want to wipe Israel off the map, push all the Jews into the sea, make Jerusalem wholly Muslim again, and then somehow make it into a "world center".

Triresurreption in the place of Israel make all 4 world religious world civilization to come consensus about study the Holy Resurrected language – the only lingo frank that will not kill national languages with pragmatic economically and politically determined goals.

I have no idea what "triresurreption" means. Sounds like a good name for a rock band, tho.

 

[bruto]

Just because Aramaic not the Holy Resurrected Language.

So what? It's just a name you've apparently made up. Why is Hebrew holy, and why resurrected, and by whom? And why, in the end, is it important what it is or whether it is? All we have is your pronouncement that we ought to do something, but no reason to believe it's anything but nonsense. Repeating yourself and quoting yourself don't do the job here. Why do you think God wants us to speak Hebrew?

But it is the language of Jesus preaching, Judaic Talmud and last chapters of Hebrew Bible.

So if it was good enough for Jesus Christ, why not for us? Trinitarian Christians believe that Jesus was God himself incarnate. Why should we not consider the language spoken by God on earth to be the holiest of all?

I simply want to point that today a man has 2 great possibilities to speak with God throw reading Holly books on his national and on Resurrected Holy Language that was Resurrected not for Jews only but for all nationals God believers.

Having trouble understanding your eccentric English, but the fact remains, that if we cannot speak to God in any language, then it's as much God's mistake as ours. And you keep calling this a resurrected language. Resurrected by whom?

You are absolutely right – all great values the man has to reach easy with God help.
It is very easy to teach your children the Holy Resurrected Language to give them the Great possibilities to read and discuss Holy Book on this language.


Even if you hate Jews and their Resurrected language you have to teach this language your children to give them the possibility to read Holy Book on it if you believe in God of course.
It will become ethical imperative to all nationals’ Got believers.

This has nothing to do with hating Jews or their language. You have not really addressed my point. If the Bible is to be believed, then we ought to believe the story, and that story is that once upon a time everybody spoke the same language. The diversity of language (and concomitantly, the actual inability to understand the original language) is, according to that story, owing to a direct intervention by God himself. If God did not want us all to speak a variety of different and incompatible languages, he would not have done that. If he wanted later to change the rules, he has had plenty of time and opportunity, even within the time framework of scripture, not to mention since then, to accomplish that, but I see no sign of this. According to Christian teaching, He sent his son down to earth with a whole lot of instructions and ideas, some old and some new; and as a result an enormous new world-wide religion was founded, complete with doctrines and teachings and policies based, presumably, on those instructions. According to Christian teachings, God spoke to us through Jesus, and told us everything important that we need to know to insure our spiritual health, happiness and salvation! Where's the part about language? I don't see it. In fact, the implication of the pentecostal experience suggests that the particularity of language is of very little importance. Aside from this, as for reading scriptures, how many people really need to know the original language? A good translator can translate. To say that this is insufficient is to say that the ideas of scripture are so particular to language, and so untranslatable, that they cannot be communicated to others. Pretty poor stuff, that, and not, I would say, in keeping with either the explicit or implicit evangelical teaching of scripture itself. Maybe it's time for you do do a little review. Your grounding in scripture seems to be a little shaky.

Fudging and calling Phoenician the same as Hebrew is about equivalent to calling Italian Latin, or Swedish German. If they were not separate languages, they would not be separately named. The alphabet is irrelevant to this.

 

[Nationalcosmopolitan]

For getting new elementary particles we have push known elementary particles in one point with speed of light.
Got did the same with Jews people in Israel.
HE had pushed the people of many different languages and nationals cultures in one little place in one little period of time to generate a little model of future global world.
On Resurrected Holy Israel one had to see people from almost all national languages and cultures that leave as brothers because they are Jews defused all over the world for 2000 years that did not lose their national.
There is a repatriate’ joke to define our State.
Israel is the state were live “Jews from all nationals”.
And this fact theoretically has to make this state the most exclusive one.
It will be so for ever if Jews repatriates communities will preserve their exodus states languages and culture with the same energy as they preserve Holy Resurrected Hebrew Language.
Unfortunately today it is only my dream.
Even our emigrant’s children are not 100% bilinguals.
My daughter who is from the age of 12 in Israel knows Hebrew much better than Russian.
So even she does not symmetrically bilingual one.

My opinion that Jews of Israel had resurrected the Holy Language as their native one.
But they begin to violate HIS design to form in Israel the model of future Global World – to form from Israel Citizens Hebrew – states exodus languages bilinguals.
According 4*10^9 Abraham religious people point of view Israel have to become the world capital state of global world.
I just try to predict really how it can be.
All languages openly and creatively communicated society Hebrew Resurrected – all national languages bilingual Jews forever – it is an Israel Dream.

 

[jimbob]

If I write in short phrases.
Which are sometimes not complete sentences.
And other times contain a lot of words without actually saying anything interesting.
MY language skills might alter.
Until MY posts become recognisable.
Verbs in MY sentences.
Must endevorate more.

 

[jimbob]

According 4*10^9 Abraham religious people point of view Israel have to become the world capital state of global world.

What is a "global world", or even a nonglobal world?

 

[Hokulele]

What is a "global world", or even a nonglobal world?

I would guess that a nonglobal world would be something promoted by the likes of the Flat Earth Society. Which makes about as much sense as the OP.

 

[jimbob]

That much sense.
Gosh I didn't realise that I had progressed.
So far along MY path to making ME write gibberish.
I know of several who think I already do.
But normally the style is different.

It almost sonuds like a moron's attempt at haiku

There was a young bard of Japan
Whose limericks never would scan
When they said it was so,
He replied, "Yes, I know,
But I always try to fit as many syllables into the last line as I possibly can.

 

[slingblade]

Even if you hate Jews

I don't.

and their Resurrected language

You haven't proven this exists. But even if it does, I don't hate it. It would be stupid to hate a language; would the language care that it's hated?

you have to teach this language your children

No, I don't have to. You're not the boss of me.

to give them the possibility to read Holy Book on it

They've read the bible. In English.

if you believe in God of course.

I don't.

It will become ethical imperative

Ethical? How so?

to all nationals’ Got believers.

I am not one of those.

Jewish kabalistic believe in reincarnation and Buddhists believe in it.
It is the matter of fact that Jewish religious elite have a very good complementary relation ships with Buddhist one oppose bad relation ships with Christian and Muscleman elates.

A muscleman lifts weights and kicks sand in skinny guys' faces at the beach.
A Mussulman, Musselman, or Mussulmaun is a Muslim.

After all more and more Buddhist become bi-religious and goes to Christian Cherch.

You can't speak English well at all. The word you wanted was "church," not "cherch."

Given this, how about you start your campaign in your native country where you do speak the language, and people are more likely to understand you? If you get your plan going there, let us know.

 

[Darth Rotor]

Samurai Witman Responds with his Light Katana

OP Lord Language Resurrection.

Glad you asked. The Lard Language is an obscure dialect of Japanese, spoken mainly by Sumo wrestlers and their chefs, its province the arcana of adipose culinary --

Oops, sorry, you said Lord Language. Nevermind.

Is it me, or is it getting harder to penetrate Nationalcosmopolitan's language?

Penetration, however slight, is sufficient to complete the act.

Considering that Moses was raised in Egypt, wouldn't it be more likely that God would give Moses a bible in his "native" language? Why shouldn't we all learn Egyptian?

More failure in action, dearest Pineapple Princess: it's Walk like an Egyptian, not Talk like an Egyptian.

I am a social inventor in this thread.

That isn't even wrong, but you are.

PS: thanks to David Swidler for another high quality post, and to the entire peanut gallery for a very amusing thread.

*piercing whistle*

Barkeep, get the house a round, on me, including our source of innocent merriment, Nationalcompost, uh, er, Notallcompusmentus, uh er, the social inventor dude with the stunned mullet look on his face about now.

DR

 

[Foster Zygote]

Penetration, however slight, is sufficient to complete the act.

In this case it's a bit like trying to stuff a pillow through a mail slot.

 

[Nationalcosmopolitan]

What is a "global world", or even a nonglobal world?

It is something like United Europe that had expanded all over the all world.
I try to prove that the capital state of this New World will be the Holy Resurrected State – Israel.
The lingo frank will be the Holy Resurrected Language.

Another principal point: multicultural world consisting from monocultural persons is nonsense -
Multicultural world consisting from multicultural persons is very progressive world.
Multi professional, Multilingual, Multicultural, Multi religious, Multi citizen, Multi residence of life, Multi political social ethical orientated person is a common portrait of new man.
The first step to become a postmonocultural person is to become bicultural person.
The first step to become bicultural person is to become bilingual person.
The correct step to become a bilingual person is to choice one native language common to every person.
History tells us that it is impossible to choose one of national languages as common.
Only Holy Resurrected Language has to become this common language because it is supranational and post national language.

Originally Posted by wollery

Is it me, or is it getting harder to penetrate Nationalcosmopolitan's language?

Penetration, however slight, is sufficient to complete the act.

May be new sort of sex we had invented in this thread will help you to understand this Great and Simple idea and ethical imperative – Holy Resurrected Language to every monotheistic God Believer.

if you believe in God of course.

I don't.

to all nationals’ Got believers.

I am not one of those.

My idea is not for atheists.
But even atheist can’t escape himself from one of four world religious basic cultures.
Paganism, Satanism – nothing else atheist can reach if he deny four basic worlds cultures.

 

[Hokulele]

Another principal point: multicultural world consisting from monocultural persons is nonsense -
Multicultural world consisting from multicultural persons is very progressive world.
Multi professional, Multilingual, Multicultural, Multi religious, Multi citizen, Multi residence of life, Multi political social ethical orientated person is a common portrait of new man.
The first step to become a postmonocultural person is to become bicultural person.
The first step to become bicultural person is to become bilingual person.
The correct step to become a bilingual person is to choice one native language common to every person.
History tells us that it is impossible to choose one of national languages as common.
Only Holy Resurrected Language has to become this common language because it is supranational and post national language.

I live in an area that pretty much defines multi-culturalism, the US state of Hawai'i. It is an interesting study as, unlike Israel, most of the residents didn't immigrate due to idealistic values (religion), but good old-fashioned money (sugar industry). There was, and still is, a mix of American (English), Japanese, Chinese, Filipino, native Hawai'ian, Portuguese, and others. Since they had to learn how to communicate out of necessity, they neither used one of the native languages, nor did they resurrect some religious relic, but invented a new language of their own. The development of pidgin or creole languages is a well-researched and documented field. Wiki has a fairly decent article on this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pidgin

Compared to the development of most multi-cutural societies, Israel is an oddity. When you look at general migration patterns, financial concerns typically trump religious ones. So, I completely reject your hypothesis of a world consensus on Hebrew, when it is just as likely that 1337 or some other invented language will take over. Or none at all.

 

[Nationalcosmopolitan]

That much sense.
Gosh I didn't realise that I had progressed.
So far along MY path to making ME write gibberish.
I know of several who think I already do.
But normally the style is different.

It almost sonuds like a moron's attempt at haiku

Quote:
There was a young bard of Japan
Whose limericks never would scan
When they said it was so,
He replied, "Yes, I know,
But I always try to fit as many syllables into the last line as I possibly can.

My advise – not to escape yourself out of communication with me.
From chaos of my hard penetrable English you will get a Great ordered Philosophy.
Don’t forget that beside your misunderstandings me there is my excellent understanding all partners of this thread.
Modern Art is not one way understandable, but it gives freedom of perception to a man.
Permanent creative insight and inventions making possibilities will get a person that will take part in this threat.

 

[slingblade]

My idea is not for atheists.

We know that. We just can't understand why you are promoting the idea on a board with so many atheists and agnostics as are members here.

But even atheist can’t escape himself from one of four world religious basic cultures.

Escape? Escape is a word generally reserved for dangerous situations. Is religion so dangerous that I would need to escape it? Doesn't matter. I'm not trying to escape it. I've simply renounced it. Roll that in a page from your Zombie Language Dictionary and smoke it.

Paganism, Satanism – nothing else atheist can reach if he deny four basic worlds cultures.

If you don't believe in god, you also don't believe in satan. Atheists are not satanists.

Pagans aren't satanists, either. Most of them also don't believe in satan.

I don't see anyone here signing up to take your Zombie Language lessons. I wonder why not?

 

[Nationalcosmopolitan]

Compared to the development of most multi-cutural societies, Israel is an oddity.

It is much better to say Exclusive Phenomena.

When you look at general migration patterns, financial concerns typically trump religious ones.

It will be unfortunately so till it will be today’s chaos in people world migration.
But soon we will see the end of this situation.
United Europe had given a good example of migration between 25 it’s states.
I am sure that no pidgin, no piscine, no china English, no other jargon or cockney English will born in United Europe.

So, I completely reject your hypothesis of a world consensus on Hebrew, when it is just as likely that 1337 or some other invented language will take over. Or none at all.

First of all I want to point that your level of understanding of my idea is 100%.
You just had said that you agree to have as common world language every pidgin (the language of trading different tapes) every jargon (the language of international criminal society) every art generated language but not the language of Bible that had resurrected.
Why I have to explain you that it is the most respectable language in the world and it is the main reason to make it the common one in bilingual form with national language.

 

[Nationalcosmopolitan]

We know that. We just can't understand why you are promoting the idea on a board with so many atheists and agnostics as are members here.

I can define myself as a secular person too.
But I was an evidence of collapse of Soviet Empire, for one year.
After that almost 280 billions of people had become God believers of Muslim, Christian, Buddhist and Jewish different confessions.
You simply were far from world dramatic events and it is the main reason of your pragmatism and atheism.

I don't see anyone here signing up to take your Zombie Language lessons. I wonder why not?

It suddenly has come hypothesis to my mind that Hebrew Resurrected language can be or the most hypnosis language or most free from hypnosis abilities language.
I can’t prove this point but I am absolutely sure that Hebrew makes a man being absolutely free from being Zombie.

 

[Complexity]

I can’t prove this point but I am absolutely sure that Hebrew makes a man being absolutely free from being Zombie.

Sig material, anyone?