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halleyscomet said:
Rasputin survived so long because his assassins were inept. They failed to actually get him to ingest a fatal dose of cyanide. They didn't have the strength or skill to beat him to death and they couldn't deliver a fatal gunshot at close range despite multiple attempts. They had to drown the man. Given their general incompetence that probably worked only because the river was frozen over and kept him submerged. If their murder attempt had been in the Summer he'd likely have swum to shore, bleeding and pissed, to hail the police.

You're mythologizing a murder victim because he had the misfortune to be assassinated by the Keystone Cops of assassins.
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I strongly suspect that this is the main source of the research https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yTVWXYctoY
 
Nationalcosmopolitan said:
Take immediately from your refrigerator 50 gr. meat or fish and eat it.
If you're afraid of salmonella - drink after that 100 gr. vodka or whiskey or brandy.
I give you not 99% but100% of probability that nothing bad will happen with you.
Only good - dephobiation from salmonella will happen with you.
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A phobia (definition from here) is:
A phobia is an excessive and irrational fear reaction.
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It is neither excessive or irrational to take precautions around something that is potentially fatal.
 
Nationalcosmopolitan said:
Take immediately from your refrigerator 50 gr. meat or fish and eat it.
If you're afraid of salmonella - drink after that 100 gr. vodka or whiskey or brandy.
I give you not 99% but100% of probability that nothing bad will happen with you.
Only good - dephobiation from salmonella will happen with you.
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No, this is incorrect. A 40 proof distilled spirit is will not kill the salmonella virus. It's only 40 percent alcohol and will be diluted in the fluids in your stomach. It may slightly reduce the risk but only just.
 
Craig4 said:
No, this is incorrect. A 40 proof distilled spirit is will not kill the salmonella virus. It's only 40 percent alcohol and will be diluted in the fluids in your stomach. It may slightly reduce the risk but only just.
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Now, if you diced the chicken and soaked it in that same vodka, it might result in...

Wait a second.

I've read about this beer recipe! It's Cock ale! (SFW)

Here's pictures from a batch someone actually brewed:
http://www.homebrewtalk.com/showthread.php?t=278874

Apparently it was good for your libido:
https://recipes.hypotheses.org/3018
 
Nationalcosmopolitan said:
Take immediately from your refrigerator 50 gr. meat or fish and eat it.
If you're afraid of salmonella - drink after that 100 gr. vodka or whiskey or brandy.
I give you not 99% but100% of probability that nothing bad will happen with you.
Only good - dephobiation from salmonella will happen with you.
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Here is an excellent example of a phobia:
http://buttersafe.com/2016/10/06/phobia/
 
Jrrarglblarg said:
Bacteria are life forms that live by eating, respiring, and propagate themselves by cellular division. You really should research this more. Bacteria do not spontaneously arise in the digestive tract and are not created by the digestive tract. They get into your digestive tract by hitchhiking on food. And mucophagy.

Killing off digestive biotes with antibiotics doesn't mean you need "more effective" or "more expensive" probiotics, just that you need to repopulate the system. Killing weeds in my lawn with roundup doesn't require reseeding with "more effective" grass seeds; I just need to spread seeds appropriate to the climate and let them fill in the holes.
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You need not go so deeply to this problem.
Just try to understand me.
99% can eat without any problems for their health 50 gr of real raw meat or real raw fish.

So do it for a week every day.
Than eat 100 gr of raw fish or raw meat every day for a week.
Thn 200 - 250 gr every day, and it will be enoph for most of the people.

Eat also the raw fruits and vegetables, and soaked in the raw water cereals - buckwheat, couscous, wheat, oats.
 
Border Reiver said:
You are aware that generally do not accurately reflect reality, don't you?

The one fellow died because it was in the script that he do so. And after that scene, he got up, brushed the grass from his costume and went to dinner with his colleagues.
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The reality of my life that I can eat all kinds of raw food that I can buy in Israel except rice.
 
halleyscomet said:
These days only quacks and morons experiment on themselves.

Well, that and mad scientists in comic books who accidentally turn themselves into super villains that way, but somehow I doubt "Anorexia man" with his superpower of "starvation induced neural malfunction" is going to necessitate the intervention of Batman or Daredevil.
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I don't think that all extreme sportsmen are quacks and morons.
I think that in future most of real scientist who want to achieve the great results in a short period of time will go this way.

It is not good to be a professor, to work 40 -50 years, to get very good money and big respect.

And in the end of his life it becomes clear for the most of those people that they are the "scientist zeros"
 
halleyscomet said:
The morons who tried to poison him put the cyanide into baked goods BEFORE they were baked. Most the cyanide would have vaporized. If they'd put the cyanide in icing applied AFTER baking, Rasputin's legendary death would be "poisoned at a party by political enemies."
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Do not lie.
The cyanide was put only in the cakes of Rasputin after they were cooked..
In the cakes of the other guests was not cyanide of course.



halleyscomet said:
And has had an extensive, and ongoing, acting career afterwards. I particularly enjoyed his work as the staff psychiatrist on "Crossing Jordan." His work on Deep Space 9 was well cast but not particularly well written until his character hooked up with Ishka.
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You mix the historical facts and movie fantasy.



halleyscomet said:
Iocane powder is a fictional poison, not a fast acting salmonella that selectively kills in seconds.
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Eat 50 grams of the raw meat.
Nothing bad will happen to you.
This way you will be freed from intolerable phobia to salmonella
 
Nationalcosmopolitan said:
The reality of my life that I can eat all kinds of raw food that I can buy in Israel except rice.
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Raw vegetables - no problem
Raw grains - issues will arise with digestion as the starches must be exposed by grinding
Raw dairy - unpasteurized milk may contain a large amount of bacterial contaminants from contact with the air, the cow and the skin of the farmer. There is a reason that raw milk carries a large number of health warnings and that infant deaths dropped dramatically after dairies started pasteurizing milk.
Raw meat and fish - certain types can be consumed raw, but poultry and many types of fish contain bacterial and environmental contaminants that must be removed by cooking.

Your "diet" will have the natural consequence of killing people.
 
Nationalcosmopolitan said:
I don't think that all extreme sportsmen are quacks and morons.
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I find it very revealing you have to lie about what I said to even try to defend yourself.

I want to see some proof of your alleged diet claims. Given how freely you like about what I wrote just a few posts ago, I have no reason to believe you're being truthful about your diet claims. I don't believe you. That also happens to be one of the pitfalls of self-experimentation. It's VERY easy to dismiss n=1 "research" where the "researcher" is also the only test subject, Confirmation bias makes the "research" completely unreliable.

Nationalcosmopolitan said:
I think that in future most of real scientist who want to achieve the great results in a short period of time will go this way.
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I doubt scientists are going to willingly and intentionally roll back the quality of scientific research 100 to 200 years for no benefit. Hell, we make horror movies about scientists stupid enough to use themselves, or even their own tissue, in research:


Nationalcosmopolitan said:
It is not good to be a professor, to work 40 -50 years, to get very good money and big respect.

And in the end of his life it becomes clear for the most of those people that they are the "scientist zeros"
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I never said anything about you becoming a professor. You don't need to be a professor or a doctor to write a case study.

Actually, now that I think about it, I could write a case study about you based upon your self-reported diet. I'll start with the working title "neurological decline due to deliberate starvation diet."

Nationalcosmopolitan said:
You mix the historical facts and movie fantasy.
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I did that intentionally to mock your dietary claims and tacitly accuse you of lying by equating your claims with works of deliberate fiction.

Nationalcosmopolitan said:
Eat 50 grams of the raw meat.
Nothing bad will happen to you.
This way you will be freed from intolerable phobia to salmonella
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If it's well prepared properly handled sushi, you're right. If it's chicken, you're not only begging for trouble, but eating a very disgusting meal.


 
Nationalcosmopolitan said:
Do not lie.
The cyanide was put only in the cakes of Rasputin after they were cooked..
In the cakes of the other guests was not cyanide of course.
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That assumes the cyanide was still even cyanide when it was used in food to begin with:

http://www.rsc.org/learn-chemistry/...80/The_murder_of_Rasputin.pdf?v=1353967419600

The cyanide compound used was potassium cyanide and it is the cyanide ion, CN−, which is the toxic component. The cyanide ion is a good ligand and complexes to Fe(III) inside cells thus shutting them down.

It seems possible that the potassium cyanide used by Yussupov could have been stored in damp conditions. Atmospheric carbon dioxide reacts with moisture to form the weak acid carbonic acid:

CO2(g) + H2O(l) →H2CO3(aq)​

This is a weak acid (pKa6.3) but it is strong enough to react with potassium cyanide to form hydrocyanic acid (pKa9.3) and potassium hydrogencarbonate.

H2CO3(aq) +KCN(s) →KHCO3(s) + HCN(g)​

Hydrocyanic acid (hydrogen cyanide) is covalently bonded and the molecule is a gas at room temperature. The gaseous hydrocyanic acid would have escaped into the air leaving behind the harmless potassium hydrogencarbonate. This is a white powder and would be visually indistinguishable from the potassium cyanide.
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Rasputin did not have an immunity to cyanide. You can't build up an immunity to a chemical that binds to the iron in your cells. If you could, then you could also build up an immunity to Carbon monoxide poisoning! Imagine how convenient THAT would be as am immunity in the modern world.

WHEN the cyanide was applied hardly matters given the unstable nature of the compound used.
 
halleyscomet said:
Rasputin survived so long because his assassins were inept. They failed to actually get him to ingest a fatal dose of cyanide. They didn't have the strength or skill to beat him to death and they couldn't deliver a fatal gunshot at close range despite multiple attempts. They had to drown the man. Given their general incompetence that probably worked only because the river was frozen over and kept him submerged. If their murder attempt had been in the Summer he'd likely have swum to shore, bleeding and pissed, to hail the police.

You're mythologizing a murder victim because he had the misfortune to be assassinated by the Keystone Cops of assassins.
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If I have developed the habit of eating only at the Seventh Day, when I need it; why not develop the habit of regular consumption is very small - not lethal dose of potassium cyanide, which would develop immunity to the lethal doses?

To Rasputin was given a 3-4 lethal dose of potassium cyanide and Rasputin did not die from it just because he trained himself against this situation.
 
halleyscomet said:
No, he's citing the vague "some researchers." A drug addled alcoholic with untreated mental disorders who transcribes his hallucinations while on a custom blend of krokodil and opium counts as a "researcher" by that criteria. "Some researchers" without actual citations is a useless statement with no meaning and conveying no authority.

Here is a "researcher" demonstrating an effective technique to telepathically shape clouds:



Here is another set of researchers evaluating kitchen appliances:

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It's hard to live with such cocktail of different ideas of different people.
When you are trying to find a connection between these ideas you find only one explanation.
The authors of those ideas are crazy, drug addicts and alcoholics.
 
Nationalcosmopolitan said:
If I have developed the habit of eating only at the Seventh Day, when I need it; why not develop the habit of regular consumption is very small - not lethal dose of potassium cyanide, which would develop immunity to the lethal doses?

To Rasputin was given a 3-4 lethal dose of potassium cyanide and Rasputin did not die from it just because he trained himself against this situation.
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That's a myth. It never happened.
 
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