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geggy said:
Zogby's final report here...

http://www.911truth.org/images/911TruthZogbyPollFinalReport.htm
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from your link:

23. Some people have said that the Bush Administration exploited the September 11th attacks to justify the invasion of Iraq. Others say that Bush acted correctly by going into Iraq because Saddam Hussein supported terrorism. Who are you more likely to agree with?

Bush exploited Sept. 11th attacks - 44%

Bush justified an attack on Iraq - 44

Neither/Not sure - 11
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First of all, it starts at 23. Is it the 23rd question? What were the 22 first ones? Is 911truth covering up something??

We want all the questions asked.

24. Some people believe that the US government and its 9/11 Commission concealed or refused to investigate critical evidence that contradicts their official explanation of the September 11th attacks, saying there has been a cover-up. Others say that the 9/11 Commission was a bi-partisan group of honest and well-respected people and that there is no reason they would want to cover-up anything. Who are you more likely to agree with?

US government and 9/11 Commission are NOT covering up - 48%

US government and 9/11 Commission are covering up - 42

Not sure - 10
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Now "covering up" doesn't imply they were in on the attacks. They say they are covering up something.

27. How would you rate the US media's performance regarding 9/11, including their coverage of victim families' unanswered questions, theories that challenged the official account, and how the attacks were investigated?

Good - 33

Fair - 36

Poor - 19

Not sure - 3


Positive - 43%

Negative - 55
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Since when "fair" is negative? When something is treated fairly, isn't that positive?

How did they get that 43/55 ratio? I'm no poll expert, but shouldn't they split the "fair" results in two and add the difference equally to the "good" and "poor" results?

It would read:

Positive - 51 %
Negative - 37 %

Is it me or is this last poll not making any sense? If they added the "fair" results to the "poor" results (to make 55% negative), how on earth did 10% got added to the "good" results to make 43% positive? Who are these 10% of people?
 
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Pardalis said:
Is it me or is this last poll not making any sense? If they added the "fair" results to the "poor" results (to make 55% negative), how on earth did 10% got added to the "good" results to make 43% positive? Who are these 10% of people?
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Sorry to quote myself, I just realised that "negative" and "positive" are the results of the poll, and that the other results are the % of these results. It wasn't very clear.

I still don't understand why "fair" should be interpreted as "negative" tho...

ETA: I reread the whole thing again and I'm still not sure what these sub-results are! Are they the % of each "negative" and "positive", or the % of the overall results to the question? Damn, this thing really isn't clear.
 
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Well, Curt C is on the 767-200 case and handling it much better than I could ever dream of doing, so I browsed around and found this thread on why it was impossible for Flight 93 to make a deep hole in the ground in PA.

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=3014&st=0&#entry4698213

Now I'm pretty sure I have messed up the math (it has been 30 years) but my guess is that nary a one of the LC'ers will be able to make a rational challenge--however, if any of you want to apply better math than I have done, please do so.
 
hellaeon said:
Wow, I found out the whole roswell incident is true! there are aliens! and their is a ship! And you guys should see the guy in charge of the scientific group in charge down there!

I found the answers in the movie "Independance Day"

I reckon Nasa will use that captured ship when they go back to the moon and mars.
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Bwa - ha - ha.

Like NASA has been to the Moon! Good one.
 
Yeah. Turns out they were right all along. The Washington Post snuck a reporter into Gitmo and found the flight 93 passengers -- man was Todd Beamer ever pissed! 1,600 firefighters marched on Congress demanding an investigation into the bombs planted at the World Trade Center, and the National Association of Structural Engineers put out a white paper titled No frigging way!. Meanwhile, the Loosers were wrong about one thing. The Pentagon wasn't hit by a cruise missile; in fact it wasn't hit at all. That was just a distraction in which the MSM cooperated. Bush was clueless about all of this, of course, and resigned out of embarrassment when Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice all mysteriously disappeared. Acting President Conyers has promised to get to the bottom of things
 
Man do I love this thread. Good info, good agruments and a few good recipes. I hope the CT and border-line CT are reading this thread an pausing for a few minutes and actually thinking, there some good stuff here.

steve the lurker, keep up the ggod work.
 
Abbyas said:
I myself would love to see the questions.

I can't help but think that a chunk of those people who'd like to see 9/11 reopened want to do so because they think the government ignored evidence of an impending attack not because they think the government took the towers down.
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aiight
 
NoZed Avenger said:
Bwa - ha - ha.

Like NASA has been to the Moon! Good one.
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Well, I seen apollo 13 so I know we got close.
I also seen Xfiles movie recently which helped fill a few gaps for the questions I needed answering from Close encounters of the third kind.
 
I notice the arguements at loose change are being steered by the major players now, less input from hangers on.
 
This isn't really 9-11 stuff, but I read this opening post and just had to respond--some levels of stupid I can let go because I'm not equipped to discuss it, but this:

Laos wrote:

Roosevelt wanted in the war, he knew it was just the thing on his big list to get America rolling again since the depression. He had but one problem, the people, and congress, didn't want in on another european massacre. so Roosevelt did a few things behind america's back to get things ready

1. Setup American pilots in China. Japan now had to fight off americans as well as chinese in China when they were attempting to conquor it.

2. blocked Japanese shores and limited ship possibilities. This is the big one, the Japanese seriously were ticked off by these limitations set by U.S. Naval ships in their harbors, so they decided to take off a small group and raid Pearl Harbor, giving Roosevelt a full excuse to enter the U.S. in WWII.
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:jaw-dropp

So I just had to go upside his head on that one--hope it doesn't get me in trouble with the Mods..

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=4570&st=0&#entry4707900


EDITED TO ADD: Just one other comment now that I've posted in 5-6 threads over there in the past week--is it really that easy? I mean, there is a huge amount I do not know about 9-11 so I try and let those more conversant than I speak to them, but on the ones I have engaged on, a few minutes of thought and work was enough to pretty well wreck their arguments (IMHO of course). Where are the foemen worthy of my steel? (heated and shaped, but not hot enough to break).
 
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EDITED TO ADD: Just one other comment now that I've posted in 5-6 threads over there in the past week--is it really that easy? I mean, there is a huge amount I do not know about 9-11 so I try and let those more conversant than I speak to them, but on the ones I have engaged on, a few minutes of thought and work was enough to pretty well wreck their arguments (IMHO of course). Where are the foemen worthy of my steel? (heated and shaped, but not hot enough to break).
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most of the stuff they argue is just beyond easy to debunk. the problem is that they aren't open to opposing argument, so it really makes no difference.

the fun in it all is trying to post outside the "skeptics" forum without getting banned, and making the eat their own words now and then ;)

really, it's all a bit sad, so i can only post in "clusters", and have to take breaks to come back here to read people that aren't so sadly misguided.
 
It's reaching critical mass over there. I fully expect massive bannings of everyone that does not follow the Gospel of Dylan in the near future.
 
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