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Manny said:
Well, one wants to be fair to Mr. Zogby. When he first broke on the scene in a big way it was because he had enormous success in election accuracy -- in particular, he did a better job than others of polling state races. His more recent polls have been somewhat less successful, as noted. But the available evidence indicates that he's a real pollster (at least for the polls his organization authors -- his recent trend of asking whatever idiot questions anyone pays him for and allowing his name to be put on it is extremely troubling) with real credibility.
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Do we have access to the poll's details? The exact Q's and A's. The actual number of particpants? How they extrapolated the answers? etc
 
I myself would love to see the questions.

I can't help but think that a chunk of those people who'd like to see 9/11 reopened want to do so because they think the government ignored evidence of an impending attack not because they think the government took the towers down.
 
Ahhh, the thread the won't die. Here I go and leave for a few days vacation, come back and I see that the CTers are still kicking out the same BS as before.

Ok, let me get my popcorn and then it's back to watching the smackdown
 
A couple points. In the Zogby poll, only 18.8% percent that thought the media was doing a poor job. So I'm guessing only a fraction of that believes in LIHOP and MIHOP theories. The info is at the 911truth (dot) org site

Also Salon has a great new article.

www (dot) salon (dot) com/tech/col/smith/2006/05/19/askthepilot186/index (dot) html
 
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Regnad Kcin said:
An infinite number of monkeys pounding away at typewriters 'til the end of time couldn't craft more remarkable idiocy.
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Arkan_Wolfshade said:
I'll have to respectfully disagree on this one ND. They've made it pretty clear on their forums that, at least some of them, view this as a crusade to undermine the gov't and truth be d@mn3d. If they are wrong, and I believe they are, they are detracting from real issues that people should be concerned about regarding the gov't; they are promoting the destablization of the federal infrastructure; and they are aiding (intentionally or not) those that would like to see the collapse of the US.

Unlike moon-hoax theorists, or Area-51 theorists, I don't think the wild conjectures of 9/11 theorists are harmless...
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I'm not certain why you disagree with my light-hearted conjecture.

Also, for the record, I never suggested CTers are "harmless."
 
Kent1 said:
A couple points. In the Zogby poll, only 18.8% percent that thought the media was doing a poor job. So I'm guessing only a fraction of that believes in LIHOP and MIHOP theories. The info is at the 911truth (dot) org site

Also Salon has a great new article.

www (dot) salon (dot) com/tech/col/smith/2006/05/19/askthepilot186/index (dot) html
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How do I see the rest of the article? I watched the ad and got back there by navigating from the front page, but it is still hidden.
 
Regnad Kcin said:
I'm not certain why you disagree with my light-hearted conjecture.

Also, for the record, I never suggested CTers are "harmless."
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Sorry, didn't mean to imply that you suggested/thought/etc they are harmless. Mea culpa for lack of clarity on my part. In rereading your post, and those before and after, I would agree that some levity needed to be injected into the thread. I guess I get a little too ramped up jumping between here and LCf. :boxedin:
 
No prob. Next time we meet in the secret underground lair, I shall treat you to a frothy brew as we cackle gleefully amid our subserviant wenches. Huzzah!
 
pgwenthold said:
How do I see the rest of the article? I watched the ad and got back there by navigating from the front page, but it is still hidden.
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I don't know. It worked for me after I watched the full ad by clicking on the sponsor link.
 
geggy:

26. Some people say that so many unanswered questions about 9/11 remain that Congress or an International Tribunal should re-investigate the attacks, including whether any US government officials consciously allowed or helped facilitate their success. Other people say the 9/11 attacks were thoroughly investigated and that any speculation about US government involvement is nonsense. Who are you more likely to agree with?
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I assume this is the part of the poll you were referring to.

The way the question is worded is crucial. In a complex and long-winded question like this, people tend to focus on the last part of the question. They would hear the question as:

People say the 9/11 attacks were thoroughly investigated and that any speculation about US government involvement is nonsense. Do you agree with them?
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A knee-jerk reaction of someone who doesn't trust the current administration would be "no". If the first part of the question was placed last, they would have heard it as:

People say that Congress or an International Tribunal should re-investigate the attacks to find whether any US government officials consciously allowed or helped facilitate their success.
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I have a feeling the answer to this would be "no" in the overwhelming majority, because it sounds paranoid and flakey. Very few people would want to go out on a limb to agree with this part of the question, in my opinion (not even the CT's will come right out and say, "The government was involved", they just "ask questions"). They wouldn't have any trouble disagreeing with the other part of the question, though.
 
So a few days ago there was a letter in the Montreal Gazette from some guy about the release of the Pentagon video. Classic stuff: "what happened to the wings, where's the bodies, where's the plane, where's the debris...mounds of evidence out there on Google...very compelling" blah blah blah.

Today they printed a response:

In response to Mr. B's questions regarding the crash of Flight 77 into the Pentagon ("Let the 9/11 conspiracy theories abound", May 18): all of his questions have been answered quite thoroughly many times over, and are also available on the Internet.

People might want to start by googling "Moussaoui Trial Evidence" and look at the pictures of the rubble, airplane debris and, yes, bodies.

There's also 911myths.com and Popular Mechanics among many, many others.

It would take thousands of people to pull off such a conspiracy and its cover-up aftermath. The odds against every single one of them keeping his or her mouth shut are impossibly high.
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That would be me.

Wow...I've never been published before. :blush:
 
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I've done a new analysis of the length of the plane that hit the South Tower, posted here at the LC Forum. I compared the length of the plane in a photo to the width of the Tower, compensating for the different viewing angles, and came up with a length for the plane of 159 feet. By the way, the length of a 767-200 is 159 feet, a 767-300 is 180 feet. Sun Zoo is having a hard time letting go of his dearly-held belief that it was a -300 that hit the tower.
 
Another interesting note, check out the education breakdown vs believing in cover up/need new investigation.

The less education you have, the more likely you believe there's a cover up.
See the DistributionByCategory pdf
 
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