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[Pardalis]

My wife is a psycho therapist and a friend is working on obtaining phd in psychology, we've all had interesting discussions regarding sept 11 and the psychological impact that it had on everyone.

Was it during a session?

 

[chipmunk stew]

In my vision, it would be great if everyone put aside their differences, whether youre a liberal, conservative, democrat, republican, independant, whatever and come together as one because its all about humanity fighting (peacefully) against the violence and treachery toward humanity that poses great danger to the global civilization.

How does clinging to and repeating false beliefs about the nature of this danger, despite being shown over and over again that the information you've based these beliefs on is wrong, further this goal?

Trying to pin 9/11 on Bush is not going to create peace, geggy. You're chasing phantoms, not confronting evil.

Why not get involved with a group that is actually actively promoting peace. I belong to a Unitarian Universalist church, and we're intensely focused on social justice, both locally and globally. We try to promote understanding by hosting interfaith events, where church and community members gather with local Muslim groups to learn more about one another. You could join the ACLU or Amnesty International or Doctors Without Borders or Habitat for Humanity. You could join the effort to extract our military presence from the Middle East.

You could do SOMEthing, ANYthing much more powerful and effective than spreading CT nonsense. Even simply living your life as a peaceful man would be more effective. Spreading fear and paranoia and apocalyptic thinking moves us away from peace.

 

[Belz...]

I cant really answer that question for you. I'm not going to force you to do anything because thats for you to decide. I'm here on my own merit after coming to a conclusion that the Bush admin may have had a hand in the attacks.

I repeat, for the Xth time: if your conspiracy/silencing theory is true, how can you still be alive ?

In my vision, it would be great if everyone put aside their differences, whether youre a liberal, conservative, democrat, republican, independant, whatever and come together as one because its all about humanity fighting (peacefully) against the violence and treachery toward humanity that poses great danger to the global civilization.

So you have, like, a political agenda now ?

They know I have the tendency to mock crazy conspiracy theories such as UFO, elvis, bigfoot etc, but thats most likely not the case with sept 11.

Why not ? What makes those other CTs less plausible ?

I'm sorry you cant see the obviousness of the coverups surrounding sept 11 and being indifferent to finding out the real truth.

And I'm sorry you beat your wife. We can go on for days inventing intentions for one another, but that doesn't bring us anywhere. If the coverup is that "obvious", then how can you consider it a coverup ? If it's that "obvious", then why do you have such a hard time finding evidence for it ?

You've been pretty dishonest in your discussions, here, Geggy. The most obvious one, for me, is when you switched to saying that the WTC collapse looked like a controlled demolition, to saying it DOESN'T look like one, but BECAUSE it was made in a controlled demolition manner in order to not LOOK like one, which is both circular and laughable. You'll say anything that fits your world-view, no matter what the evidence says, even if you make a complete fool out of yourself while doing so.

 

[Belz...]

Please, can you just give us a simple list of the evidence you've evaluated to come to this conclusion. So far, you haven't provided any in your posts here. Yes, you don't like the way Bush reacted on that morning and you've tried to complain about the actions of NORAD and others, but those claims have been soundly refuted. So please, if you wouldn't mind.

Even if they HADN'T been refuted, of course, they'd still be circumstancial.

 

[Stellafane]

...In my vision, it would be great if everyone put aside their differences, whether youre a liberal, conservative, democrat, republican, independant, whatever and come together as one because its all about humanity fighting (peacefully) against the violence and treachery toward humanity that poses great danger to the global civilization...

In thinking more about this statement, I can't help but be struck by a certain historical parallel that occurred in the very town you live, geggy. A long time ago, the citizens there had a vision of America very similar to yours. They saw this country as a land of peace and prosperity, where people could be happy and free. Their concept of "free" would probably be rather narrow by modern standards -- it basically meant "free to think like we do" -- but in spirit, their dreams and hopes were much the same as ours. And they wanted to ensure that no evil intruded on this vision. But of course, there are no real utopias. And in that place long ago, bad things kept happening -- people got sick, crops failed, the weather turned harsh and bitter. So folks were constantly wondering why these things should happen to them.

Then one day a group of adolecents decided to accuse a few individuals in their town of being witches. They would later admit that they did it "for sport," it was basically a game that got out of hand. Latter-day psychological analysis has suggested that these young people were basically feeling irrelevant and repressed, so they did this to seek attention. In any case, a few adult extremists took the kids seriously. Many others in town went along with the extremists. Those that didn't often got accused of being witches themselves. In the end, a lot of perfectly innocent people got strung up by their necks and hanged. One guy wasn't so lucky; they piled rocks on top of him until he suffocated.

Through it all, the people of the town insisted they were only serving their holy vision of America, by ridding the land of evil. A lot of them probably even believed it. But more recent speculation has noted that most of the accused came from the same part of town, and tended to be the more succesful and prosperous members of the community. So politics may also have had a lot to do with it.

So, does any of this sound familiar geggy? Do you think the lessons learned from the Salem witch hunts might be instructive nowadays? Or are we just doomed to repeat history over and over again?

 

[Regnad Kcin]

Sure, retort yourself [sic] to mocken [sic] and insulting because it's easier for you to deal [sic] rather than opening up to the painful idea [sic] that the bush [sic] admin [sic] may have had a hand in the attacks.

Except they didn't, my paranoid little friend. You see, conjecture is not evidence.

As for evidence you were asleep in class the day teacher was covering basic rules of English...

 

[Manny]

Not sure if this has been mentioned before, but dark smoke can also be an indication of the heat of the fire. At least in forest fires. When I take forest fire reports from pilots, one of the things I need to know is the colour of the smoke. In forest fires, dark smoke mostly indicates high heat.

No, it had to be because the fire was oxygen starved. For evidence, just look at this recent warehouse fire in Brooklyn. The smoke is black because Brooklyn air has almost no oxygen.

 

[dubfan]

Hey, I hate to go slightly OT and distract everyone from all the geggy-love, but I think this is going to be one to watch:

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=3994

A 14-year old HS student is asked on a test who was responsible for 9/11. He answers "George Bush". The kid is sent to see a psychiatrist. Loosers get wind of the story; hilarity ensues.

 

[kookbreaker]

No, it had to be because the fire was oxygen starved. For evidence, just look at this recent warehouse fire in Brooklyn. The smoke is black because Brooklyn air has almost no oxygen.

Its true! Air has less that 20% Oxygen. How can you possibly expect any fires to happen that way. Obviously, no fires could ever burn anywhere in air.

</LC mode>

 

[Regnad Kcin]

Thank god for your presence, xraye. I've already pointed out several things that you've posted above...

...Which have been addressed countless times before.

...such as evidence of squibs in the collapsing of the towers...

But let's do it again, shall we?

There is no "evidence of squibs in the collapsing of the towers." All there is is a faint visual similarity (at one or two physical points). You know, the same way rubbing alcohol looks like water, but you wouldn't want to drink an ice-cold glass of the stuff.

Actual evidence of squibs would be:

• One or more squibs, or their residual remains, recovered from the wreckage of the towers
• Testimony of one of the dozens of technicians necessary for procuring, transporting, wiring, and detonating the thousands necessary for the task
• Presence of related wiring and peripheral components
• Wiring diagrams and plans, either hard copies or e-mails

Y'know...evidence!

A related, circumstantial trail of the wtc7 collapsing showed penthouse dropped first before everything else pointed out a characteristic of controlled demo...

Mmm, delicious rubbing alcohol.

PNAC's agenda, etc, but many have refused to believe it.

So refreshing on a hot afternoon!

So maybe you'll do a better job of addressing the anomalies surround sept 11 than I have in this thread so ya can give me some breathing room for me to discuss the things I know more about.

The "things [you] know more about?" So, what do you do for a living?

My wife is a psycho therapist...

No, no... What do you do for a living?

...and a friend is working on obtaining phd in psychology, we've all had interesting discussions regarding sept 11 and the psychological impact that it had on everyone. Please do stick around.

That the events of the day had a "psychological impact...on everyone" does not in any way serve to further your premise.

 

[chipmunk stew]

Gravy, your work is making the rounds.
This thread was started today at Loose Change:
a complete LC2 debunk
It has a link to your work that points to two mirror sites in Germany.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Here's a quote while the two of them are being interviewed by Eric Hufschmid, who is both a moon hoaxer, a 9/11 CT, AND a Holocaust denier:

Isn't that like the Triple Crown of ignorance or something?

If you reach that level of idiocy, will the other lesser mental midgets look up to you?

Expiring minds wanna know!

 

[chipmunk stew]

Gravy, your work is making the rounds.
This thread was started today at Loose Change:
a complete LC2 debunk
It has a link to your work that points to two mirror sites in Germany.

dubfan, I see you've been posting on this thread. Would you mind letting "Terrorcell"

Has anyone downloading this?


If so please post the contents (I don't trust d/l'ing a 911 debunk claim) and then I'll be more than happy to debunk it.

know that there's an html version of Gravy's work? (It's in my sig)

 

[Regnad Kcin]

Gravy, your work is making the rounds.
This thread was started today at Loose Change:
a complete LC2 debunk
It has a link to your work that points to two mirror sites in Germany.

Reading stuff like that actually makes me physically weary. Strange.

I only pop in to those threads on the recommendation of posters here. I wonder, how is it that dubfan has not been banned? Have they "loosened" (snort) their hold a bit as of late?

ETA:

Gravy, someone on that thread criticized your "10 takeoffs and 13 landings" comment (and then said he/she went no further with your work because of it) due to your ignorance of touch-and-go practice. That may be something to consider.

 

[Pardalis]

WOW, how can you keep your cool with such garbage from the LC forum, Dubfan? You are terrific!

 

[dubfan]

dubfan, I see you've been posting on this thread. Would you mind letting "Terrorcell"know that there's an html version of Gravy's work? (It's in my sig)

Done.

 

[aggle-rithm]

Sure, retort yourself to mocken and insulting because it's easier for you to deal rather than opening up to the painful idea that the bush admin may have had a hand in the attacks.

There's nothing painful about that idea at all. It's simply stupid.

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Gravy, your work is making the rounds.
This thread was started today at Loose Change:
a complete LC2 debunk
It has a link to your work that points to two mirror sites in Germany.

So, they're saying that even if everything in Loose Chain (v1 or v2) is debunked, as long as it makes people ask questions, it's a good piece of work?

Is it physically painful to be that mind-numbingly stupid?

 

[Gravy]

No, it had to be because the fire was oxygen starved. For evidence, just look at this recent warehouse fire in Brooklyn. The smoke is black because Brooklyn air has almost no oxygen.

So THAT's why I feel dizzy when I read these CT claims!

 

[aggle-rithm]

My wife is a psycho therapist and a friend is working on obtaining phd in psychology, we've all had interesting discussions regarding sept 11 and the psychological impact that it had on everyone. Please do stick around.

Is it possible that geggy is completely delusional, and his "wife" and "friend" are actually psych students who are interviewing him for a study on abnormal psychology?

Have I been watching too many "Twilight Zone" episodes?

Am I here to prove anything, or just to ask questions?