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brodski said:
You don't get it, many PCTers don't even believe that terrorist organizations exist, certainly not AQ anyway. The government had to fake the execution, just t prove that there are real terrorists.

I'm waiting to be told that Te US never invaded Iraq, and all the troops that are "deployed" over there are actually manning the FEMA camps.
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That's exactly correct. I was more than a little surprised to read that some of these loonies believe that all international terrorist acts have been actually been U.S. "Black Ops," and that many of them believe that al Qaeda is run by the U.S.
 
Gravy said:
Let me know what happens. I've already started a collection of quotes.
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Here's the response from the FSTDT webmaster:
From : ****** ***<fstdt at hotmail.com>
Sent : Tuesday, April 11, 2006 3:44 PM
To : ****.***** at hotmail.com
Subject : RE: CTers Say the Darndest Things?




Howdy ****,

Almost no effort at all goes into maintaining this website, the hardest part about running the site is determining which quotes are good enough to be featured. All of the content that appears on the site is stored in databases, and the ASP scripts that I've written allow the site pretty much run itself.

Right now, my website focuses primarily on religious fundies, but I *do* feature things from conspiracy theorists. A few fun ones in particular are:
http://www.fstdt.com/comments.asp?id=7962 -- this guy is blaming hurricanes a conspiracy between Russian and Japanese mafia who are using weather-control ray guns to send hurricanes at the US. http://www.WeatherWars.info is an archive of weather-related conspiracy theories.

http://www.fstdt.com/comments.asp?id=116 -- DrRoi thinks the government is tracking him over the internet to continue suppressing knowledge that Relativity is a big hoax.

http://www.fstdt.com/comments.asp?id=2687 -- someone claiming that president Bush is a member of the Illuminati and a society of Satan worshippers.

http://news.messages.yahoo.com/bbs?action=m&board=37138539&tid=apeuropevenusmission&sid=37138539&mid=111 -- I got this submission today, its someone who thinks Senator Miller is an extraterrestrial in league with dark forces.


It would be practically effortless to create a CTSTDT! sister project (it would take me a day or so to get everything set up and working properly). And if you like, I can create the website and host it on the FSTDT.com website (I'd only ask in return that I could display an ad on each page, because its the only way to generate revenue and pay for the costs of running my site). If you'd like to take that particular route and have me make a website, then keep in mind you don't *have* to use the FSTDT classic appearence, I can also create the website to look like anything you want, anything from the classic FSTDT look or something like a Bash.org look or anything else, it takes no effort at all to control how the appearence of the site.

The benefit of having me build the website is that you don't need to reinvent any wheels to run a CTSTDT website, you get a website to call your own for no cost, and you don't need to know any programming languages; the downside is that you can't make changes to the site directly, you'd have to make a request to me and I'd have to take care of it whenever I could.


Hope that helps :)


Best wishes,
******
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Awesome, right? I couldn't have asked for a better response.

Does anyone have any input for the look/feel of the site before I write back?

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Roxdog, please stay and debate it properly without slander. Its a good read. Note here your not persecuted for your beliefs. You present your case.

Seriously your forum is exactly what you hate. In fact it reminds me of the novel 1984. Like a khult with peers who pull the strings and break the forum rules according to their agenda at the time but still keep the followers in check.

Anyway it dont matter what I think of a forum we are here to critically examine the presented case as was the OP's intent, even 30 pages later. Please stay and debate and just take peoples sometimes personal derogitory attacks with a grain of salt but more importantly, realise to critically examine what you believe. I believe your theory is incorrect. Its not a personal attack, I just dont subscribe to it. There is too many obvious flaws in it plus much more plausable explanations. Though mundane and unexciting to some, the truth is better. But your better away from the loose screw forum where anything goes and people just accept anything without skeptical analysis.

Can you seriously answer some of the questions gravy had posted? And seriously give some thought. Analyze why you come to the conclusion. I would like to know how you get past the amount of people required to be involved. I cant get past that. Just think of your workplace and how good secrets like affairs or sackings are kept quiet. Im interested in a proper discussion and how you would believe your theory despite the evidence weighing very heavily on the opposing side. Likely it may divulge to trash talk but hey its worth a start.

I am trying fellas.

Chipmunk S - thats great news and a simple concise repsonse.
I find this forum pretty easy on the eyes.
Blues and greys work well with white backgrounds.

Edit: With my work intranet and all our letters etc, we stick with arial. Its a simple neat font. :)
 
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hellaeon said:
Roxdog... Can you seriously answer some of the questions gravy had posted? And seriously give some thought. Analyze why you come to the conclusion.
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Remember, the questions I listed were in response to comments made by LCers on my thread. It's not as if I was trolling and throwing hit-and-run questions and insults around on other people's threads, as Roxdog does. When he kept doing that to me, but refused to answer my questions, I said he'd need to apologize and agree to a civil and serious discussion. He never did.
 
chipmunk stew said:
Here's the response from the FSTDT webmaster:
Awesome, right? I couldn't have asked for a better response.

Does anyone have any input for the look/feel of the site before I write back?
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Wow, that is cool. I don't have many brilliant ideas about web design. FSTDT is a good, clean site. Sans-serif fonts might be more legible, and I'm not crazy about the green. More of a categorical menu selection at the top might be good.
 
Gravy said:
Remember, the questions I listed were in response to comments made by LCers on my thread. It's not as if I was trolling and throwing hit-and-run questions and insults around on other people's threads, as Roxdog does. When he kept doing that to me, but refused to answer my questions, I said he'd need to apologize and agree to a civil and serious discussion. He never did.
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He won't come here and debate because he's a coward, married to his beliefs - in fact his beliefs are his entire identity. So he just does these hit and run attacks on different forums, declares them owned and goes back to the Looser forum to brag about it.

He admitted on his "radio show" that he just goes from forum to forum dropping quotes and links from others - he doesn't actually form any of his ideas himself. Thinking critically is not his strong suit, in fact he doesn't do it at all.

Prove me wrong, Roxdog...
 
I have involved myself in the Berg thread and I've had some success. At least Redpillneo has agreed that the fact that Berg might have already been dead when he was decapitated doesn't prove anything.

Redpillneo seems reasonable and is friendly. Thequest is currently congenial even sending me a friendly PM.

So how about that Loose Change video? :D

I'm there folks, that's something. I'm not sure how much time I want to invest there. We'll see. The problem is that it is so much on one subject. You've got 4 planes, two towers, WTC7, and many linked events. It is a mind-field of gotchas and incongruous data. One could spend weeks perhaps months treading water.
 
chipmunk stew said:
Here's the response from the FSTDT webmaster:
Awesome, right? I couldn't have asked for a better response.

Does anyone have any input for the look/feel of the site before I write back?

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Cool, I don't have any input besides go for it.
 
chipmunk stew said:
Here's the response from the FSTDT webmaster:
Awesome, right? I couldn't have asked for a better response.

Does anyone have any input for the look/feel of the site before I write back?

(edited to fix links)
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My only thought is how difficult it will be to cull out the most ridiculous quotes from LC... so many contenders.
 
manny said:
I haven't made my go-round yet. I'm collecting some of their own "evidence" to have at the ready.

As for Moussaoui, we should have a pool on what the most common answer will be. My money is on some variant of 'he's a retard and the government has the poor sap convinced he's guilty.'
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I'll put odds on "He's an agent of the government, set up to take the fall and divert suspicion from the real culprits."
 
hurdygurdy said:
Roxdog quotes Doctor Raúl Castro Guevara, "a surgeon and forensic expert in Mexico City":

There is no way that the individual in the video was alive and its heart working when they were cutting the head to him. In these cases, the heart impels blood with great pressure, and it cuts the arteries of the neck, is a great amount of blood that splashes by all sides. In my opinion the video is a fraud.
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I think someone has taken the movie "Kill Bill" a little too seriously.
 
this guy is blaming hurricanes a conspiracy between Russian and Japanese mafia who are using weather-control ray guns to send hurricanes at the US.
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Never mind the very natural reasons why there are hurricanes in the US in the first place.
 
Belz... said:
Never mind the very natural reasons why there are hurricanes in the US in the first place.
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No, no, you don't understand. They've also traveled back in time and have been sending hurricanes at us for centuries so we'll _think_ it's natural weather. :boxedin:
 
hurdygurdy said:
Hey, now The Truth has a challenge too!:

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=2106

e.t.a. Oh, they don't even have the money.
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Sorry for hitting this particular section of the party late, but just caught up.

Just as Intelligent Designers has a list of arguments they need to abandon, The LC'ers need to drop this one. Aside from being an Argument from Incredulity, Aren't most airport runways less wide then the side of the pentagon? With four stories of building as wiggle room, since you don't care wich one you hit, It seems like if you were trained to land, even if you weren't good at it, you should be able to set up an approach to hit the pentagon.

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Hoo boy.

As you doubtless know, a jury is currently deciding whether Zacarias Moussaoui's guilty plea should result in a death penalty. That process involves victim impact statements and descriptions of the terrorist acts. Today the focus is on flight 93. As part of that, the government introduced evidence collected, including photographs from the crash site in Shanksville, PA.

Try not to be too shocked by this news, but the photographs indicate that a plane crashed there. A big blue plane with a red stripe and windows and all kinds of stuff.

So these photos are, of course, "magic." As is the cockpit voice recorder,

In other depressing news, Steven Jones is getting mainstream, albeit local and Fark.com, press and a chance to put on his show in front of the Utah Academy of Science, Arts and Letters.

Question for the scientists: Thermite is basically aluminum metal and rust. Could it occur on its own as a reaction between rusted metal in the building and the aircraft or the towers' aluminum cladding under heat or is sulphur necessary as a catalyst?
 
manny said:
Question for the scientists: Thermite is basically aluminum metal and rust. Could it occur on its own as a reaction between rusted metal in the building and the aircraft or the towers' aluminum cladding under heat or is sulphur necessary as a catalyst?
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I've thought about this possibility, too, as have others. I haven't personally explored its feasibility. But according to the above-mentioned Jones, it's impossible. His proof? He melted some aluminum and poured it down a rusty piece of L-beam.

(about a third of the way down this page: http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html)

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