Loose Change - Part IV
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CptColumbo
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Two in a row ~ Ill take it.
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<ponders the quasi-gauntlet just the same, and will work on number 3 another day... when you least expect it>
Too late. http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2040530&postcount=75
Here is an interesting link.
http://www.wanttoknow.info/911statement
I am not sure what qualifies one as "prominent" in the USA, but most of these people don't seem to me to be anything more than a few politicians, a few scientists, a few college professors, a few business people, and a couple of hollywood people.
Not very impressive...
TAM
http://www.wanttoknow.info/911statement
I am not sure what qualifies one as "prominent" in the USA, but most of these people don't seem to me to be anything more than a few politicians, a few scientists, a few college professors, a few business people, and a couple of hollywood people.
Not very impressive...
TAM
delphi_ote
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Nah. Most of our favorite nuts got banned here for having hissy fits, and not much is going on over at the LC board these days.I think you jinxed it, Gumboot.
tsig
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I miss Jessicarabbit, don't know why. One of the better socks of JDX I have known.
CptColumbo
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I don't think P D'oh the First through the Fourth is JDX
Happy birthday, btw
I agree. IMO the socks have not been as focused as JDX. Also, JDX is proud of his credentials (real or imagined), and will try to produce evidence of it (real or fabricated).
Happy Birthday DHR.
Jessica was P D'oh/Ducker/someone else i cant remember. He/she/it was summoned here from the SLC blog by TAM(Gee thanks buddy
). So far, D'oh (JD type) only has one possibly 2 socks - both have been banned.Dont expect we'll be seeing either one again and I dont think TAM will be daring any more CTers to come here..
I only know of Willy Wonka Weed Wanker, who was the other?
delphi_ote
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Nope, that was P D'oh's sock. Read the sig, man!
We are talking about JohnD'OhX, I know Weedwanker was his sock, but who was the other? 5stargeneral?
CptColumbo
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Perhaps he had already set up a sock before he got banned the last time.
Damn. He's making me think like a CTer about him.
Damn. He's making me think like a CTer about him.
gumboot
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Just read back a bit and missed a conversation on the pancaking and lack thereof.
As I understand it, the failure mechanism was the collapse of the exterior columns in the impact zone, not the floors. I've always understood the "pancaking" to refer to what happened AFTER collapse started - that is when the lower floors crashed down on each other.
However, from my own layman's observations, I feel the collapse, at least in the North Tower, was more about the disintegration of the exterior columns.
Certainly, from day one, I have described the collapse of WTC1 as looking like a banana being peeled. Hence my amusement at claims of it coming down "in its own footprint" like a "textbook controlled demolition". Massive sections of the exterior columns - 5, 10, 20 floors high - peeled away from the structure.
I am a bit firmer about this scenario, given the core remained standing for some time.
My hypothesis:
Due to the inward bowing at the impact zone, the collapse debris was contained almost exclusively inside the boundaries of the structure created by the exterior columns.
As they fell they "peeled" the exterior columns (which acted like a skin due to their componant structure of multiple floors and columns together in sections) away from the building.
Essentially you are left with a "naked" structure - the core and floors intact, with no exterior walls.
Except, of course, that's not going to happen. With nothing holding up the outer edges of the floors, and with the debris from above crashing down, the lower floors were shredded from the core one after the other, crashing down upon each other.
This left a severly damaged core standing on its own. Of course, it could not possibly remain standing like that, and within seconds it too collapses.
Once the floors started their "stacking" down the core, I can see this progression rapidly accelerating ahead of the "peeling" of the exterior columns - afterall the only thing keeping the floors up is the bolted points along the core and exterior.
That, balanced up against the collapse force crashing down across an acre of floor space. That's a lot of leverage.
Thoughts?
-Gumboot
As I understand it, the failure mechanism was the collapse of the exterior columns in the impact zone, not the floors. I've always understood the "pancaking" to refer to what happened AFTER collapse started - that is when the lower floors crashed down on each other.
However, from my own layman's observations, I feel the collapse, at least in the North Tower, was more about the disintegration of the exterior columns.
Certainly, from day one, I have described the collapse of WTC1 as looking like a banana being peeled. Hence my amusement at claims of it coming down "in its own footprint" like a "textbook controlled demolition". Massive sections of the exterior columns - 5, 10, 20 floors high - peeled away from the structure.
I am a bit firmer about this scenario, given the core remained standing for some time.
My hypothesis:
Due to the inward bowing at the impact zone, the collapse debris was contained almost exclusively inside the boundaries of the structure created by the exterior columns.
As they fell they "peeled" the exterior columns (which acted like a skin due to their componant structure of multiple floors and columns together in sections) away from the building.
Essentially you are left with a "naked" structure - the core and floors intact, with no exterior walls.
Except, of course, that's not going to happen. With nothing holding up the outer edges of the floors, and with the debris from above crashing down, the lower floors were shredded from the core one after the other, crashing down upon each other.
This left a severly damaged core standing on its own. Of course, it could not possibly remain standing like that, and within seconds it too collapses.
Once the floors started their "stacking" down the core, I can see this progression rapidly accelerating ahead of the "peeling" of the exterior columns - afterall the only thing keeping the floors up is the bolted points along the core and exterior.
That, balanced up against the collapse force crashing down across an acre of floor space. That's a lot of leverage.
Thoughts?
-Gumboot
Nope, that was P D'oh's sock. Read the sig, man!
We are talking about JohnD'OhX, I know Weedwanker was his sock, but who was the other? 5stargeneral?
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/search.php?searchid=505115
Coincidence?
Thats weird, he's not listed in the memberlist anymore either. Lets try a single post:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2039670#post2039670
Oh, him...
I think he must of picked up his job again? Since he is not posting much. How is he doing at his own forum btw? I still can't view it (bummer).
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