I have no idea what this means.
If you understood and accepted the contents of the food that goes into your mouth, or if you understood and accepted the chemicals that the FDA has approved to go into our food supply, then you might not be so trustworthy in the "official" reports or claims that have been offered to U.S. concerning 9/11 or anything else.
Posilac was once banned in every other industrialized nation in the world, now it is only legal in U.S. , Mexico, and South Africa... research the effects of this drug.
Also, aspartame = Formaldehyde/Methanol
The point I'm trying to make is that right now "we the people" are so blind to the fact that our tax dollars are responsible for the death of millions of innocent people on the other side of the globe.. that we don't even recognize that we are being slaughtered with cancer, among other diseases in our own country.
For example, B-17, it is derived from natural apricot seeds and it is also illegal in this country,
because it cures cancer.
Why is it you guys will just throw stills of the World Trade Center collapsing pretty much anywhere at the drop of a hat? I can't look at the those images without thinking, "Here I am again witnessing thousands of people dying again." That's a really humbling thought for me. It's a reminder that I take everything around me for granted; that I could lose my friends or my own life in a heartbeat. It's not something I take lightly, like revisiting a grave. However you think the towers fell, that image portays a staggering loss of human life.
Why does it seem like you guys use it as graffiti?
I certainly don't see it as a sign of graffiti or disrespect, sorry if you take it that way. It's just an obvious way to point out the fact that if only 25% of the structural beams inside of the towers were less than "failure temperature", then the structures wouldn't have fallen straight down into their footprints.
Regardless what the "professionals" say, there is no way in hell that each and every beam in the "extreme heat" zone would have failed to support the weight of the structure at the same time.
And I don't like reading a bunch of official B.S.! reports that say different, to me it would seem that common sense would explain that to most people when they see the images or video footage of the towers as they fell.
Did any of you ever play with "Lincoln Logs" ???
You have to be impressed with the tenacity they hold onto their beliefs with in the face of overwhelming reality
The overwhelming reality is that an accurate investigation into the entire soap-opera cannot be done because the evidence no longer exist in the "physical" realm or it is not available. A simple release of video footage from the cameras surrounding the pentagon would eliminate much of the confusion. It's not so much that the "they" broke it off in our ass, after almost 5 years of controversy there was ONE more clip of video that supposedly shows an airplane approaching the structure.. but there was no airplane in the image. It's like someone is playing a game with our peace of mind.
You ARE aware that this is a skeptics forum, rihgt ?
Which doesn't mean there were explosives, ,,explosives, ,,explosives.
You can ingest as much as you want. Food doesn't make you ignorant. Refusal to learn does.
I thought this was a forum of intelligent minded people who could accept what their eyes can see in the images and videos instead of reading the "reports" which are as worthless as toilet paper, because the evidence that was analyzed no longer exist.
We are discussing the greates crime of all times and the evidence does not exist. It would seem logical that if you were looking for the "suspects" that you wouldn't have to look any further than those who erased the overwhelming majority of the physical evidence. right ?
And I hate to inform you, but there are certain ingredients that have been intentionally added to our food supply that does in fact make most people ignorant.
Research the effects of the "freak amino acid" in our dairy supply and the formaldehyde/methanol in our artificial sugar supply. It would seem that most rational minded people that have accepted the fact that our protection agencies have failed to actually protect us, could also accept the fact that the system has infact, for some reason, chosen to intentionally poison the American mind with chemicals and propaganda.
sorry.
Where is this? Do you have a picture of this (from a time other than at a photo op where an Israeli diplomat is present)? Or are you speaking metaphorically?
If you watch the news, whenever someone is speaking from the white house you can see the flag of israel flying next to the American flag on a daily basis. It is no secret who's agenda our tax dollars promote. Which would also explain why the multi-billionaire oil drenched muslims are all on the same team as ... "them".
Are you a structural engineer? Yes or no.
No.
It "turns [your] stomach?"
Yes.
It "disgust [sic]" you?
Yes.
I for one am not interested in listening to you lecture from atop your elevated saddle.
I for one was asked for my "credentials" after each and every post I made in this thread, so I finally answered your questions. If you perceive my perspective as being from "atop a saddle" then ... thank you.
I understand it must be difficult to promote your idea(s) when you have no evidence on your side. So naturally your type will resort to obfuscation. Stop.
How can you say that *I* have no evidence, the majority of your debate is based on written government claims. If the evidence still existed, or if it was available to US... this controversy wouldn't be so, controversial.
The "fact?" I don't think that word means what you think it means.
The "fact" is, that all of your evidence exist on paper. If the "suspects" didn't eliminate or erase all of the hardcore evidence... like I said, it wouldn't be an issue.
Do you ever question the people who have destroyed or witheld all of the evidence, since doing so is unheard of in every other crime.
Who would recycle or destroy the evidence from a murder scene?
The suspect right?!?
I thought so.
Submersible:
If I recall, when you came over here you were reasonable, so I am hoping you will resume that form in terms of your discussions here.
1. Is it about religion. There is not a clear cut answer to that. My take on it, is that religion is involved in a couple of ways in the whole 9/11 debate. For starters, there is no doubt, that Islamic Extremism is involved, if you believe the official story, which most here do. Secondly, there is an anti-semetic component that runs rampent through the "Truth" movement. Your comment on the flags is not helping disolve that perspective.
I'm just pointing out a "fact". Isn't it ironic that our president holds hands with one classification of Muslims and our government and media demonizes the others. And it's not as if the "Royal" Muslims have kept their investments in Haliburton and other "war machine" facilities a secret. You know, kinda like the handful of rich & royal Islamic people are making even more money from the destruction of the dirt poor and devout Islamic people.
Think about that, we are at war with "radical Islam", and the "American way" is somewhat totally dependent on the Royal Saudi's who are also Muslims.
I think most people who are speaking here, are trying to tell you that it is not a simple "Christianity vs Islam" or "Judaism vs Islam" war or battle or contraversy. Most here would agree that most Muslims are peaceful, ordinary people, that simply have a different faith.
It could be as simple as the "elite" working with the Royal Saudi's who basically own this nations oil supply, and both parties have an interest in elevating and participating in the 1400 yr. old war with the two most devout "classifications" and the poorest groups of Muslims in the world.
That's the way it looks to me.
The "war on terror" is not a war on Islam, but rather a war on those who would harm innocent people for whatever cause. It just so happens that the focus of the war, at this time in history, seems to be on individuals that use an extreme take on their religion as the reason for their crimes.
Do you remember about 3 years ago when there was a lone sniper causing all kinds of "terror" on the east coast?
Do you realize how many Muslims live and own businesses in this country already, and the capability those people have to "wreak havoc" in this nation?
I mean, it's not as if they haven't seen enough of their people murdered overseas in this war of terror to walk outside of their convience store or motel, walk into a busy intersection "fully loaded", and raise hell in this country.
And your right, you can't really call this a "War against Islam" because like I said earlier, there is a particular classification of Islam that basically controls the flow of oil and the price of gasoline in this country. oh, and dubya likes to hold hands with some Islamic leaders.
2. You were a fireworker for 12 years. What do you make of all the testimony around WTC7. Multiple firemen testifying that WTC7 was severely damaged and looked like it was going to collapse?
Unless someone has ordered you, you never assume that a multi-story superstructure is going to collapse when there is an apparent fire showing in less than 5% of the building. I would imagine that they were as disgusted and confused as one could possibly be since the images show a fire that could have been somewhat easily extinguished. And remember something, the firemen who survived the collapse of WTC 1 & 2 were certainly not afraid to go into tower 7 and fight fire. I would imagine that they wanted nothing more than to go into that building and "get it on, BIG TIME" .. so to say.
Very few people here, if any, would deny that people exiting/entering/around the WTCs that morning heard explosions. The point we seem to disagree on is what the word "explosion" refers to, and what were the actual "explosions". For instance, has anyone asked those firemen..."The explosions you heard, could they have been due to exploding containers of heated chemicals? Could the something falling down an elevator shaft for instance, sound like an explosion when it hits the ground. Could a transformer exploding make a similar noise? Not all "explosions" come from "explosives".
Let's just say that everybody who has participated in this thread has done more "homework" than I have. And I really don't know who asked those fireman specific questions. But no, debris falling down an elevator shaft does not sound or feel like "explosions" , you could say that falling debris makes a "thump" while an explosion carries the sound of a "boom, bump" , with the obvious sensation of "compression". TAM
I really want one of them to answer. I want to hear someone try to justify so cavalierly wallpapering our discussion with these images. Submersible, if you really care as deeply as you say about what happened to the people that died in those buildings, why do you constantly dehumanize the last remaining images of their lives?
Don't worry, I'm haunted.
And I have been from the moment those buildings fell out of the sky. I called my first fire chief that morning and we both agreed that "something ain't right" about this.
Maybe that made it easier for me to see past the smoke at Ground Zero and notice the smoke/smog saturating the skies in the background and look for the "overall" problem.
The unnoticed loss of life that takes place in this country on a daily basis from CUREABLE diseases is staggering, considering the "fact" that, according to official reports... no cure exist.
We ARE all ONE, and in this country, we are not far from suffocating ourselves. And what did the little monkey boy u'sta say??
"Stay the course".
little fukker
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