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Loose Change - Part IV

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Submersible said:
Eos of the Eons said:
Did you see on the news that we are all being warned once again to convert to Islam? http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/hagmann090106.htm
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It would appear as if they definitely have some "stroke" in this country.
Maybe it is because one "sector" of the Muslim world has control of this nations greatest need and addiction, and the other Muslim groups are paying the consequences of OUR affection for war and gasoline.



It's just an unfortunate consequence that so many religious people are suffering for our ignorance. I think it's because we have injested entirely too much formaldehyde, methanol, and freak amino acid from our primary sources of food.
Don't take that as an insult, maybe you can use it as an excuse one day. :rolleyes:
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You're truly sick. Conspiracy theory and ignorance heaped on yet more conspiracy theories and ignorance. There are other sources of oil and gas. You would be shocked at what folks like the Iranian leader, bin laden, and a now caged saddam would do with all that oil money if left to their vices and not culled by international laws. Heck, it's shocking enough what Saddam did with it while he was in power (rewarding families of suicide bombers being a small part of it).

It's not just the Americans looking out for the threats that come out of the mouths of those that not only keep sending us videos warning us of what they will do to us "non-believers", but the entire world. Scapegoating the Americans won't help your argument one bit.

We have no affection for war, and how can you ignore those that actually are inviting war? The Iranian leader spews invitations every day. There are plenty of non-westerners that spew contantly on about who needs to be wiped off the planet for polluting the place by being non-islams. Got your fingers in your ears and your eyes clammed shut too I see.

Let's requote this:

Everywhere you see "Islamic bookshops" which sell not only the Koran, usually described as "the last testament," but also poisonous anti-Semitic and anti-Christian propaganda.
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Oh, such innocents that are doing a great job of scapegoating the "Westerners". Keep ignoring it. You're doing a great job of misplacing blame.

Those who are really calling for war are laughing at your willingness to swallow their propaganda.
 
Pardalis said:
With all due respect, I think your playing into Submersible game. He wants this to be a debate about the West being at war with Islam. This thread is about the facts of 9/11 and the many errors and fallacies of Loose Change and the CT's, and the arrogance of the CT crowd.
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CT crowd arrogance stems from this hatred Submersible and his fellow CTers have for their fellow americans, and he indicates why, and why they figure fellow americans would blow up the WTC to start a war that was actually started long before.


This allows them to make up wild fantasies and actually believe Loose Change codswallop.

There is no way they will care if you can prove Loose Change is all bunk, because they will still hate their fellow Americans and feel we are all just a bunch of oil hungry warmongers that need a raw food diet.

Maybe you can help a few fence sitters know the Looser 9/11 "evidence" is baseless. It won't matter to submersible though. He has digested and integrated propaganda that will keep him ignorant.
 
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JamesB said:
LOL The UN couldn't even take over Bosnia, with a population of less than 4 million people. There are over 2 million servicemen in the armed services, only about 120,000 are in Iraq. I think we will be safe should Canada decide to pull a fast one...
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Our invasion force will be comprised of the most violent hockey goons you'll ever see. You'll be screaming in panic whilst running to Mexico tout de suite ...

:D
 
Eos of the Eons said:
Maybe you can help a few fence sitters know the Looser 9/11 "evidence" is baseless. It won't matter to submersible though. He has digested and integrated propaganda that will keep him ignorant.
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I think you got a good point there. Some of the really hardcore CTists, as Submersible seems to be, are just impossible to reason with.
 
Submersible said:
http://www.zombietime.com/flight_93_memorial_project/

Oh, it's not about religion ?

That's right, most of you have faith in spontaneous combustion.

[qimg]http://www.civil.usyd.edu.au/latest/wtc_collapse1.jpg[/qimg]
http://www.civil.usyd.edu.au/latest/wtc_collapse1.jpg

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc7.html

Are ya'll claiming that the firefighters and the other first responders on the scene when the towers fell were lying in their LC interviews ?
Because they certainly did describe what the videos show, a series of explosion, ,,explosions, ,,explosions.
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Why is it you guys will just throw stills of the World Trade Center collapsing pretty much anywhere at the drop of a hat? I can't look at the those images without thinking, "Here I am again witnessing thousands of people dying again." That's a really humbling thought for me. It's a reminder that I take everything around me for granted; that I could lose my friends or my own life in a heartbeat. It's not something I take lightly, like revisiting a grave. However you think the towers fell, that image portays a staggering loss of human life.

Why does it seem like you guys use it as graffiti?
 
delphi_ote said:
Why is it you guys will just throw stills of the World Trade Center collapsing pretty much anywhere at the drop of a hat? I can't look at the those images without thinking, "Here I am again witnessing thousands of people dying again." That's a really humbling thought for me. It's a reminder that I take everything around me for granted; that I could lose my friends or my own life in a heartbeat. It's not something I take lightly, like revisiting a grave. However you think the towers fell, that image portays a staggering loss of human life.
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I totally agree.

Why does it seem like you guys use it as graffiti?
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I think they think the atrocity of these images will somehow convince us that the US government is evil. They have no other means to convince us, they've tried facts and evidence, and it didn't work.
 
Submersible,

*GROAN* :rolleyes:

It turns my stomach that most of you can see three buildings demolished and your too smart to see that because the USG or NIST's WRITTEN claims are different, and you also claim to KNOW what happened unlike the "truth seekers".
Just incase you didn't understand this, WE are All ONE, and it disgust me that most of you still don't see that either.
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You're using circular reasoning. You first need to demonstrate that the buildings were brought down with CD. You take it as a given and use your assumption as proof.

No one here other than CTs claims to KNOW what happened as though knowing was a psychic phenomena. The skeptics here base it on an analysis of the witnesses, physical evidence, and video/photographic record. If we're not up to speed in a given area, we consult people and organizations that are qualified to analyze the information. This stands in sharp contrast to the ham-fisted, victim-mocking analysis performed by morons like Jim Fetzer and Morgan Reynolds.

We are not all ONE. The skeptics on this forum are not ONE in spirit or being with the CTs that mock the victims, the victims' families, and consign engineers to HELL because they refuse to endorse the ludicrous CD theories espoused by Fetzer.

Stick a pipe in it kid. Stop abusing the memory of the dead for your own sick ego trip.
 
Pardalis said:
I think they think the atrocity of these images will somehow convince us that the US government is evil. They have no other means to convince us, they've tried facts and evidence, and it didn't work.
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I really want one of them to answer. I want to hear someone try to justify so cavalierly wallpapering our discussion with these images. Submersible, if you really care as deeply as you say about what happened to the people that died in those buildings, why do you constantly dehumanize the last remaining images of their lives?
 
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Alareth said:
Unfortunately, as the old addage goes: "There is no such thing as bad publicity"

There will be people who seek it out just to see what all of us "shills" are trying to cover up...
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the google rank is proof the govt is trying to keep them down, they must be on to somethign big :)
 
Submersible:

If I recall, when you came over here you were reasonable, so I am hoping you will resume that form in terms of your discussions here.

1. Is it about religion. There is not a clear cut answer to that. My take on it, is that religion is involved in a couple of ways in the whole 9/11 debate. For starters, there is no doubt, that Islamic Extremism is involved, if you believe the official story, which most here do. Secondly, there is an anti-semetic component that runs rampent through the "Truth" movement. Your comment on the flags is not helping disolve that perspective.

I think most people who are speaking here, are trying to tell you that it is not a simple "Christianity vs Islam" or "Judaism vs Islam" war or battle or contraversy. Most here would agree that most Muslims are peaceful, ordinary people, that simply have a different faith.

The "war on terror" is not a war on Islam, but rather a war on those who would harm innocent people for whatever cause. It just so happens that the focus of the war, at this time in history, seems to be on individuals that use an extreme take on their religion as the reason for their crimes.

2. You were a fireworker for 12 years. What do you make of all the testimony around WTC7. Multiple firemen testifying that WTC7 was severely damaged and looked like it was going to collapse?

Very few people here, if any, would deny that people exiting/entering/around the WTCs that morning heard explosions. The point we seem to disagree on is what the word "explosion" refers to, and what were the actual "explosions". For instance, has anyone asked those firemen..."The explosions you heard, could they have been due to exploding containers of heated chemicals? Could the something falling down an elevator shaft for instance, sound like an explosion when it hits the ground. Could a transformer exploding make a similar noise? Not all "explosions" come from "explosives".

TAM
 
sleahead said:
Kent, A very similar scene to the second of the new Jones photographs appears in the Naudet brothers film, which was shown again here in the U.K. tonight. Those firefighters are not looking into a "yellow-white hot core" as Jones describes. They are, in fact, shining powerful lights into a void in the hope of discovering survivors or recovering bodies. I think Jones might be playing games with this image, too. I'd like to know where he got it from. He attributes it as coming from a BBC website, but it is not there.
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You're right, sleahead, that the second image does not appear at the bbc link quoted by Jones. The first one does, but of course it is not captioned as anything similar to what Jones pretends it is.

The caption "peering into the yellow-white hot “core” under the WTC rubble" is utterly laughable. If it really were a yellow-white hot spot, the firefighters would not be sticking their faces into it.

But as usual with tinhatters, the facts do not matter. Subterfuge and obfuscation are paramount.
 
I just got an idea for a little mind **** at Ground Zero.

Why not accuse Alex Jones and Dylan Avery for blowing up the WTC?

Alex Jones "knew" two months ahead, so he must've been part of the cover up. Dylan Avery is...Dylan Avery.

It would be like one messed up labrat experiment. Just hold signs saying "Alex Jones knew about it. He works for the CIA"

It makes as much sense as the crap they spew.
 
Funny, now that you mention it, using their logic, wouldnt he be the ultimate Shill...
 
Just reviewing the Implosionworld article again...now follow me down the CT rabbit hole...come on, just for a moment..

One of the companies responsible for the clean-up at GZ was the D.H. Griffin Wrecking co.

Now anyone remember a famous Truther with a similar name. I wonder if David R. Griffin is related...he must be, I mean Ben and Michael Chertoff...you follow me....

So Griffin, must be a shill....busted...

lol...

now back up out of the hole we go...
 
T.A.M. said:
Just reviewing the Implosionworld article again...now follow me down the CT rabbit hole...come on, just for a moment..

One of the companies responsible for the clean-up at GZ was the D.H. Griffin Wrecking co.

Now anyone remember a famous Truther with a similar name. I wonder if David R. Griffin is related...he must be, I mean Ben and Michael Chertoff...you follow me....

So Griffin, must be a shill....busted...

lol...

now back up out of the hole we go...
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(dons tin foil hat) You may be on to something there. I mean, let's face it, an R and an H can easily be confused...

:D

/tin foil hat
 
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T.A.M. said:
Just reviewing the Implosionworld article again...now follow me down the CT rabbit hole...come on, just for a moment..

One of the companies responsible for the clean-up at GZ was the D.H. Griffin Wrecking co.

Now anyone remember a famous Truther with a similar name. I wonder if David R. Griffin is related...he must be, I mean Ben and Michael Chertoff...you follow me....

So Griffin, must be a shill....busted...

lol...

now back up out of the hole we go...
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Quick, someone start calling his relatives and see if they might be related!
 
It is hard to tell with all the thing sthat get brought up here...but did anyone recognize the opening music in Loose Change, when they are helicoptering around the Statue of Liberty.

I am not a big Tarantino fan, but I was just this minute watching TV, and Kill Bill Volume #2 is on. It is at the point where Uma Thurman and Daryl Hannah are standing off against each other in the shack...and low and behold what music comes on...

that familiar..dum dum dumdum....dum dum dumdum...from the intro shot in LC...

Is this old news, and if so, isn't that another copyright infringement.

TAM
 
T.A.M. said:
Is this old news, and if so, isn't that another copyright infringement.
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Is it a classical score? If so the music may be out of copyright (although the performance probably isn't) and in the public domain.

Also I believe you're allowed to use x seconds of music without paying for the copyright, but it's pretty short time under 10 seconds I think.
 
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