Loose Change - Part IV

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Gather Evidence While You Can!

I've remarked in the past how amazingly brilliant 9-11 Deniers can be at debunking parts of the conspiracy theory they disagree with. Well, in the battle between the no-planers and Jones, expect to see some very good evidence placed out there for the grabbing.

For example, Reprehensor at 9-11 Blogger has a post on the controversy. Since he's not a no-planer, he whips out some mighty interesting evidence, including a photo of an aircraft part found atop the Federal Building near the WTC with a (dundunDUH!) serial number!

I feel like Flounder, in the middle of the homecoming parade chaos, saying "This is great!":D

ETA: Check out the comments on that post. My favorite comes from Qwerty, about 8 comments in:

If some of the vids were faked, wouldn't that help prove the lie regardless of planes or no planes? Wouldn't that prove media complicity by showing us that they fed us cartoons?

Or do you not want to go down that route for fear of where it leads? If you can show all the vids are consistant and A OK, you'll shut them up right?
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This is the same fallacy as the fruitcakes who think that if they can prove one of the hijackers had a double, that would establish that the government did it, because Al Qaeda would have no need for doubles for any of the men.

BTW, if you haven't seen Spooked using Microsoft Flight Simulator to prove that the planes couldn't be where they were in the videos, you haven't lived.
 
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T.A.M. said:
LashL:
Thanks, I'll go read it...

Everyone:

Charles N. Pegelow - 713-869-7928 - Houston, TX

This is the only info I can find on the guy Fetzer is claiming is a structural engineer on his radio show. Several CTers have thrown this in my face.

I got the info off a house damage/marketing site or some such. No engineering speak on there...

No othe Charles N. Pegelow on a google search...

Anyone got any confirmed info on this guy?
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Probably no more a structural engineer than you or I (or Doyle Winterton).
But, I actually hope he is a SE. The CTers could no longer play the "but, they KNOW it was a CD, but they are afraid to speak out" card when it comes to no SE's coming forward. When nothing happens to this guy, we can start asking why others arent coming forward if there are no repercussions....
 
T.A.M. said:
LashL:
Thanks, I'll go read it...

Everyone:

Charles N. Pegelow - 713-869-7928 - Houston, TX

This is the only info I can find on the guy Fetzer is claiming is a structural engineer on his radio show. Several CTers have thrown this in my face.

I got the info off a house damage/marketing site or some such. No engineering speak on there...

No othe Charles N. Pegelow on a google search...

Anyone got any confirmed info on this guy?
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I can confirm name, number, and address. I will not be posting it, or the method I used, but holy crap; the method I used even told me who his landline provider is. :boggle:

There's also a Charles Pegelow in FL who is an MD.
 
Johnny Pixels said:
Oh, there'd be so much heat and light, and radiation and death. People would've been blinded, blistered, the dust wouldn't have fallen down, the resulting heat would've caused a fireball to rise up, drawing up the air and dust beneath it in a massive convection current, forming the mushroom cloud, and the wind from this would've drawn smoke back towards the tower. People's lungs would've most likely collapsed, they'd be fighting for air, the shockwave would've broken most of the windows in downtown Manhattan.

That's why people don't use nuclear weapons.
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...Or eat the "Mexican Pizza" at Happy Fresh Tortilla on 7th Avenue.
 
Arkan_Wolfshade said:
I can confirm name, number, and address. I will not be posting it, or the method I used, but holy crap; the method I used even told me who his landline provider is. :boggle:

There's also a Charles Pegelow in FL who is an MD.
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yeah, its crazy what you can get out of the internet these days

one of my college profs asked to find out what i could about her, in 5 minutes i had her unlisted cell phone number
 
defaultdotxbe said:
yeah, its crazy what you can get out of the internet these days

one of my college profs asked to find out what i could about her, in 5 minutes i had her unlisted cell phone number
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Thankfully, my RL name coincides with that of a minor-league pro-wrestler's real name, so I get lost in the noise.
 
My suspicion is he is a retired Structural engineer of little fame, or position, given there is nar but a trace of him on the internet. You would think if he is currently working in the field, an email addie or something would come up on him besides the one little thing I found.

Still, Fetzer interviewed him tonight on his show...

http://mp3.rbnlive.com/Fetzer06.html

He is on the second hour

For your listening pleasure.
 
negativ said:
I'm no genius, and I'm certainly a babe in the woods when it comes to physics, but living in Tornado Alley all my life, and having a father who was an avid outdoorsman and firearms enthusiast taught me that velocity counts for a lot in how two objects behave when one strikes another.
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And congrats on your banning today! Surprised you lasted so long. :cool:
 
Fetzer describes his qualifications:

B Sc. in Civil Engineering from Lamar, B Sc Mathematics
Registered Egineer in state of Calfornia

works for Fulton Construction, most of his work is concerning oil rigs.
 
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So now I am really puzzled, because this engineer guy, what he is saying, doesn't seem to be helping the CT case...

He starts off saying when he saw the collapse, it didnt look like a conventional demolition.

He then goes on to say that it "...normally if your collapsing a building or a controlled demolition, you get big chunks of concrete, and apparently there wasnt any concrete..."
 
Arkan_Wolfshade said:
I can confirm name, number, and address. I will not be posting it, or the method I used, but holy crap; the method I used even told me who his landline provider is. :boggle:

There's also a Charles Pegelow in FL who is an MD.
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Yes, I found all of that, too, plus his average income and the approximate value of his house.

But I'm wondering - how sure are we that this is the right guy? Because based on his letter to some home inspection type company, etc., there is no way he can be a structural engineer.

Is it possible that he goes by a middle name, perhaps? Just wondering, because this particular guy just doesn't fit the bill for a structural engineer.

That aside, I did also find that (if it's him) it appears that he is a member of this anti-war network of students, apparently out of California, but he's listed as a member from Houston, TX, and "retired".

"Campus Antiwar Network is the largest and leading independent, democratic, grassroots network of students opposing the occupation of Iraq and military recruiters in our schools at campuses all over the country."

http://www.campusantiwar.net/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=62&Itemid=2

His listing there says only:
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Pegelow, Charles
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Retired
Houston
TX
United States of America


Which would kind of make sense if he was a retired prof, I guess.

Still - it just doesn't sit right somehow...
 
T.A.M. said:
Fetzer describes his qualifications:

B Sc. in Civil Engineering from Lamar, B Sc Mathematics
Registered Egineer in state of Calfornia

works for Fulton Construction, most of his work is concerning oil rigs.
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Ahhh, okay, I hadn't seen that when I posted my last post above. Will try some different angles of attack :)
 
T.A.M. said:
Interesting article.

Seems they did include the jet fuel and subsequent fire in their analysis.

A few things:

Doesn't mention impact speed of jet they accounted for.
Doesn't mention if, when analysing (1) Steel integrity changes due to heat were included, and if they were (2) if the added heat from burning products within the building would have been included.

the problem, we do not know if the analysis calculated only for the buildings to remain intact IMMEDIATELY AFTER the impact, or if it went beyond to calculate if the building would continue to remain standing, and for how long...
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Yes, and since Skilling made a point of saying that they did not think about terrorism at the time of construction, it's more likely that what they were designing for was a "lost in the fog" slow moving plane, etc.

And, besides that, it's a bit disingenuous to rely upon a single newspaper report citing Skilling, who is dead and cannot elaborate (and we all know that newspaper reports are not the most reliable of sources), while Robertson is alive and well, and he has specifically said that they were not designing for high speed plane impact, etc. - and he is available for them to ask all the questions in the world - not to mention that I'm pretty sure he is on video discussing these very issues, as are others who were involved in the design and construction.
 
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I would like someone with more background than me to listen to this guy. He seems to be making some major points, that I can't refute, but I do not have the background some of you have...

Mainly he says that impact damage plus the fires, could not have started the collapse. Says the fires didnt reach higher than 800 or 900 farenheit, as the glass would have blown out of the windows. Says the steel, even in the inner columns, didnt reach temps above 550F.

Some of you guys may wanna give it a close listen, cause the way fetzer is treating him, I think they are gonna use alot of what he has to say as new ammo...
 
Thanks for the lead T.A.M
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That aside, I did also find that (if it's him) it appears that he is a member of this anti-war network of students, apparently out of California, but he's listed as a member from Houston, TX, and "retired".
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I think working on oilrigs,and working in Cali fits the bill of the guy on fetzers
radio sheww! Sounds like Houston to me!
 
Great, now these people have a messiah complex.
http/s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=11387
Many of us here know there are the hidden elite who are performing the evil in the world to acheive the Great Plan of the Illuminati.

How about the other side of the coin?

Does anyone think that there are some hidden good guys out there subverting the Great Plan? If there are, no doubt they aren't going to come out and say it, of course; but I'm curious what you all think about it.

Maybe we're that force?
2nd coming of Christ (if that's your cup of tea)?
karma?
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And what the hell is the killuminati? Somehow I doubt that Dr. Dre is going to save us from the evil joo alliance.
 
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