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Loose Change - Part IV

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Gravy said:
I would ask someone to post this on LC, but no doubt banishment would quickly follow. I'll email Mr. Rowe.

A message from Korey Rowe, producer of Loose Change


I suggest a moderated debate in a neutral location in New York City, since you'll be visiting shortly. Your 9/11 facts against mine. The only stipulation I have is that we both agree that the videotape must be unedited for distribution via Google Video, YouTube, etc.

By the way, a professor of visual arts in NYC has apparently been trying to set up such a meeting between me and the three of you, which I agreed to long ago. What's the holdup?

I also offered to sit down with the three of you on a non-adversarial basis and show in detail how your facts are wrong and your methods are flawed. I received no reply.


Let's suppose you're right and my Loose Change Viewer Guide contains no facts. How about my compilation Loose Change Creators Speak? Are you going to claim that voice-morphing technology was used to fake all those interviews I transcribed? Remember, those interviews are promoted on your website.

As for getting facts correct, I never attacked your military record. I thank you for your service to our country. I did recently comment that military service seemed to have made you decisive but not wise, as evidenced by your statement in this week's Albany Times-Union:


So, facts that contradict your beliefs won't change your mind? You've adopted a religion, not a cause.
Want some more? How about these quotes from an April 15 interview on Air America Phoenix?


Your facts about the events of 9/11 against mine, Mr. Rowe. Agreed?

Sincerely,
Kram Strebor, vertebrate, planet Earth.
(Code name used for security reasons)
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I think I have read everything you have posted publicly, and I don't recall you attacking his military service. I have probably brought it up more than anyone has, but since I wear a patch on my right shoulder too, I think I have the right to bring up when he is exaggerating his service.

Somehow I doubt they would ever agree to a debate in a fair arena, but you never know.
 
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Abbyas said:
A dollar says the man hasn't even changed his pamphlets.
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I woldn't expect him to do that now. He's printed thousands of them. And if he changes one thing, he should correct everything, in which case the pamphlet would be the size of a postage stamp. As a visual aid I've taken his pamphlet and highlighted everything that's false or misleading. It's quite colorful.
 
MarkyX, or any of ya come to Venice or LA, I've got your back. Lots of friends here. Sorry I missed the C-Span Debacle in my own town! Newbie!
 
Gravy said:
I woldn't expect him to do that now. He's printed thousands of them. And if he changes one thing, he should correct everything, in which case the pamphlet would be the size of a postage stamp. As a visual aid I've taken his pamphlet and highlighted everything that's false or misleading. It's quite colorful.
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you shoudl post a PDF of that
 
...What do you say to your Critics?
I say debate me on camera! Not Jason, not Dylan, me.
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Hm that sounds like a set-up to me. Though Gravey your response was brillant and covered a lot of bases to try and make it a fair debate. It will not happen under those terms. He wants it to be more like the extra footage on MarkyX's wonderful 9-11 deniers speak video, in the street with 'their' camera surronded by supporters. You will be shouted down no matter how much you are right, or how many facts on your side.

I would love to see a fair debate, but my pessimistic side tells me it will never happen.
 
Earl The Tall said:
Hm that sounds like a set-up to me. Though Gravey your response was brillant and covered a lot of bases to try and make it a fair debate. It will not happen under those terms. He wants it to be more like the extra footage on MarkyX's wonderful 9-11 deniers speak video, in the street with 'their' camera surronded by supporters. You will be shouted down no matter how much you are right, or how many facts on your side.

I would love to see a fair debate, but my pessimistic side tells me it will never happen.
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With Jason Bermas standing beside him yelling "I don't know anyone here. I am just interested in the truth!"
 
Earl The Tall said:
Hm that sounds like a set-up to me. Though Gravey your response was brillant and covered a lot of bases to try and make it a fair debate. It will not happen under those terms. He wants it to be more like the extra footage on MarkyX's wonderful 9-11 deniers speak video, in the street with 'their' camera surronded by supporters. You will be shouted down no matter how much you are right, or how many facts on your side.

I would love to see a fair debate, but my pessimistic side tells me it will never happen.
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Yep, the thought crossed my mind.

You need to remember that Deniers attack in packs. When going alone, they get teared up (see Exhibit Les), but together, they are a force too annoying to ignore.

But...if it's a neutral area like the cable access debate that Les was in, then I don't see the problem. However, knowing Korey, he will refuse.

Just look at the 9/11 Deniers Speak how Korey reacts to a freaking witness of the WTC7. This guy is not interested in facts or debate.
 
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Let me see...9/11 coming up...war in Iraq...Korey serviced in Iraq...mentions you dissing his service...

I get the impression they wanna set you up to argue over terrorist and the war with a former serviceman. Becareful not to mock him or engage in any belittling or name calling. Apart from that, he does seem like the quietest of the three, though quiet doesn't mean ignorance or stupidity by a long shot.

I agree with the others. No audience, just you, Korey, A moderator, and Audio/Visual equipment + operator.
 
Earl The Tall said:
I would love to see a fair debate, but my pessimistic side tells me it will never happen.
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I agree. They have nothing to gain by participating in a moderated debate, but if they're dumb enough to suggest it, I'm game.

Rowe hasn't replied to my email, but I was surprised to see an email from Steven E. Jones in my inbox (he hasn't replied to my emails in the past).

Turns out his email wasn't for me directly. I was on the "send to" list along with Fetzer and a couple of others. He was replying to someone else's email, which referenced Jones saying that the definition of entropy is "things topple over." He was angry at the person who mentioned that, and demanded a cite for it. I was happy to help out by immediately providing the cite, which was from my very first 9/11 debunking effort, in April.

At 12:54 in this video of Dr. Jones' lecture at UVSC: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=964034652002408586

"Not what I would expect from the law of entropy, which is, 'things topple over.' "

The quote is about WTC 7.
 
Gravy said:
I agree. They have nothing to gain by participating in a moderated debate, but if they're dumb enough to suggest it, I'm game.

Rowe hasn't replied to my email, but I was surprised to see an email from Steven E. Jones in my inbox (he hasn't replied to my emails in the past).

Turns out his email wasn't for me directly. I was on the "send to" list along with Fetzer and a couple of others. He was replying to someone else's email, which referenced Jones saying that the definition of entropy is "things topple over." He was angry at the person who mentioned that, and demanded a cite for it. I was happy to help out by immediately providing the cite, which was from my very first 9/11 debunking effort, in April.

At 12:54 in this video of Dr. Jones' lecture at UVSC: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=964034652002408586

"Not what I would expect from the law of entropy, which is, 'things topple over.' "

The quote is about WTC 7.
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Could you by chance post that e-mail?

Nice strawman by those fire photos at around 11 min on that video BTW. This is classic Jones!
 
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T.A.M. said:
Let me see...9/11 coming up...war in Iraq...Korey serviced in Iraq...mentions you dissing his service...
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Just to be clear, he didn't say I dissed his military record, he challenged me to do so. I have no idea why. I've never done so before, and I have great respect for people's military service. My best guess? He was serving under General Budweiser today.
 
Kent1 said:
Could you by chance post that e-mail?
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There was content from more than one person in the email, and I don't want to step on any toes by printing it. I will say that the quote was used in a paper titled "The Devil in Doctor Jones," which apparently was submitted to the Scholars for publication. :D
 
Gravy said:
There was content from more than one person in the email, and I don't want to step on any toes by printing it. I will say that the quote was used in a paper titled "The Devil in Doctor Jones," which apparently was submitted to the Scholars for publication. :D
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LOL! You can have the person send it here also if they want to...
http://www.jod911.com/
:D
 
Jack White (infamous for his dubious JFK, Apollo, and now 9/11 work) is now starting up on WTC 6. Claims it fell before WTC 1 or 2 did.

As usual, he "discovered evidence of fakery" in the images. Just like he did for every other screwball CT he has signed up to.

Wonder what he thinks of David Icke?:D
 
Obviousman said:
Jack White (infamous for his dubious JFK, Apollo, and now 9/11 work) is now starting up on WTC 6. Claims it fell before WTC 1 or 2 did.
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:jaw-dropp

Speaking of crazies, Korey Rowe linked to a new post by Holocaust/Apollo/9/11 denier Eric Hufschmid, which contains a truly hilarious extended analogy about the quality of Dylan Avery's work compared to his. http://www.erichufschmid.net/If-I-were-a-Carpenter.html

(Note to newcomers: Hufschmid does not make tables.)
 
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