Loose Change - Part III

[WildCat]

Killtown made a comment on Shermer saying he had no credibility.

Read the last line to my reply to Killtown here on the Screw Loose Change forum.

 

[Pardalis]

Doesn't Avery look like Michael Schumacher?

Come to think of it, he's more a mix between Schumacher and Tarantino, but without the talent.

 

[Hellbound]

Azazal:

Well, according to http://www.ce.berkeley.edu/~astaneh/1-Publications/Astaneh-9ASEC-WTC%20Paper%202003.pdf the exterior columns were about 46cm x 46cm exterior, with varying thickness. The interior columns were either 2" steel or 5" steel, so I'll assume the exterior columns are 2" steel as well.

So, 46cm is 18.11 inches. We'll round to 19 for argument's sake. That gives a cross section of a solid column as (19x19=) 361 in². The interior "hole" would be 15" x 15", taking up 225in². That leaves (361-225) 136in² for our A value.

So, we take P = 3/8A and end up with P = 3/8 * 136 = 51 pounds of TNT, or 23.13kg. And that's an upper estimate.

Realistically, it's 18.11 inch columns likely to be about 1 inch to 1.5 inches thick, which gives a mid-limit A of 68.44 and a P of 25.665 lbs, or 11.64kg.

 

[kevin]

so, any cters expounding on the ny building that blew up today? Pretty obvious the explosives planted when the building was built accidentally went off and they're covering it up as a "gas" explosion. as if.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

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Oh yeah, I went there

Expect more death threats against your children from the truthers.

...and fawning admiration from KKKilltown, Popol Vuh and the swastika swinging members of the movement.

EDIT: Anyone feel like chipping in to get rid of that trial version watermark?

 

[steve s]

so, any cters expounding on the ny building that blew up today? Pretty obvious the explosives planted when the building was built accidentally went off and they're covering it up as a "gas" explosion. as if.

The building did collapse within its own footprint. Using Looserlogic we can conclude that this was a controlled demolition. A gas explosion? Yeah, right. Everyone knows that explosions go outward sending debris everywhere but the footprint. And we'll probably find that Larry Silverstein owned the building.

Steve S.

 

[Class]

The building did collapse within its own footprint. Using Looserlogic we can conclude that this was a controlled demolition. A gas explosion? Yeah, right. Everyone knows that explosions go outward sending debris everywhere but the footprint. And we'll probably find that Larry Silverstein owned the building.

Steve S.

TheQuest (if I recall) made a post about the government controlled media or something to that nature, how media reports are completely different from reality. He based this decision off of a witness saying the building exploded, but the headline said it burned down. Compared it to 9/11, etc, etc.

 

[Hutch]

got a brief timeout for implying that Michael Shermer regards Killtown as an annoying moonbat"

Just posted a link to that thread over at Mr. Shermer's Forum, so he can be pleased to know his e-mail is being broadcast over there...

And dang it, chip, of course you got suspended! There are no bats on the moon, you fool. He's an annoying regolith (sic)!

 

[dubfan]

Looks like one of the "Scholars for 9/11 Truth", Kevin Barrett, will be able to teach his class, "Intro to Islam", at UW this fall. His class will include a week-long module on his support for 9/11 conspiracy theory.

Provost review clears Barrett to teach class on Islam

[UW Provost Farrell said]"We cannot allow political pressure from critics of unpopular ideas to inhibit the free exchange of ideas. That classroom interaction is central to this university's mission and to the expansion of knowledge. Silencing that exchange now would only open the door to more onerous and sweeping restrictions," he says.

"It is in cases like this - difficult cases involving unconventional ideas - that we define our principles and determine our future," Farrell adds. "Instead of restricting politically unpopular speech, we will take our cue from the bronze plaque in front of Bascom Hall that calls for the 'continual and fearless sifting and winnowing' of ideas."

UW-Madison students, Farrell says, are fully capable of analyzing new, controversial and even unwelcome ideas.

"Our students are not blank slates. They are capable of exercising good judgment, critical analysis and speaking their minds," Farrell says. "Instructors do not hand over knowledge wrapped up in neat packages. Knowledge grows from challenging ideas in a setting that encourages dialogue and disagreement. That's what builds the kind of sophisticated, critical thinking we expect from our graduates."

Campus officials also reviewed Barrett's teaching record at UW-Madison.

"Although the university does not endorse Mr. Barrett's political views or his theories regarding the events of 9/11, our review showed that he has a record of quality teaching, including as a teaching assistant in this class," Farrell says. "His plan for the course appears to offer a sound learning experience for students interested in gaining a better understanding of Islam."

 

[WildCat]

That's what builds the kind of sophisticated, critical thinking we expect from our graduates.

If only they expected the same from their instructors.

 

[dubfan]

Top Ten 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists in Academia

Kevin Barrett makes an appearance. #1 is a JREF favorite.

 

[Brainster]

Top Ten 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists in Academia

Kevin Barrett makes an appearance. #1 is a JREF favorite.

Can you imagine if he'd known about the sawdust analogy? Or the Keebler elves? Or her habit of dressing up her cats?

Of course, if he were doing it today, blog-stalker Deb Frisch would surely make the list. Oddly enough, she's a CTer who doesn't believe in controlled demolition at the WTC, which has to make her the only one of those I've ever encountered.

 

[dubfan]

Of course, if he were doing it today, blog-stalker Deb Frisch would surely make the list. Oddly enough, she's a CTer who doesn't believe in controlled demolition at the WTC, which has to make her the only one of those I've ever encountered.

From her blog:

Deb Duchovny: First of all, I am not skeptical of the story about what happened at the World Trade Center. I saw it with my own eyes. Coincidentally, on September 13, 2001 I went to a meeting that had been scheduled before September 11 with engineers from the National Science Foundation and NIST. I went to many meetings about the collapse of the towers, a conference at NYU on the topic. There is absolutely no mystery about what happened there. There is some controversy about whether the fireproofing on the steel beams was installed properly, but other than that, there's no room for tin foil hats (what does that mean, anyway?) at the WTC site.

We need to get her together with V2ROT8 from the LC forums (the one whom OCMARK pissed off so badly she left in frustration). She was an AA flight attendant who didn't for a second think anything was odd about the hijackings and the plane crashes themselves, but she believed the WTC was a controlled demolition.

What happens when you get two CTs together who believe opposite halves of the CT? Do they spontaneously annihilate each other, like matter and antimatter?

 

[SRW]

Top Ten 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists in Academia

Kevin Barrett makes an appearance. #1 is a JREF favorite.

Wow what a list who would have ever believed James H. Fetzer can only make #6. It must be a great accomplishment to be a bigger wac job then old Jimmy F.

Steve

 

[Johnny C.]

From her blog:



We need to get her together with V2ROT8 from the LC forums (the one whom OCMARK pissed off so badly she left in frustration). She was an AA flight attendant who didn't for a second think anything was odd about the hijackings and the plane crashes themselves, but she believed the WTC was a controlled demolition.

What happens when you get two CTs together who believe opposite halves of the CT? Do they spontaneously annihilate each other, like matter and antimatter?

I wouldn't be surprised if we got 2 full-fledged CTists if we combined those two.

 

[delphi_ote]

What happens when you get two CTs together who believe opposite halves of the CT? Do they spontaneously annihilate each other, like matter and antimatter?

It would be like putting together one kid who believes in Voltron and another that believes in He-Man. They'd get along great.

 

[tacodaemon]

Top Ten 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists in Academia

Kevin Barrett makes an appearance. #1 is a JREF favorite.

Man, I didn't really start laughing when reading Joseph Diaferia's questions for Bush until I got to this one:

Mr. President, is it true that just before his fatal take-off, you were near the New Jersey airport where JFK Jr. kept his plane? If so, why?

Oh man. Like John-John really mattered all that much in the real world. Is the idea that Bush would kill John-John just because -- also according to Diaferia -- his father killed John-John's father? If so, then his sister Mrs. Schlossberg had better watch out for GWB's sister Dorothy Bush Koch.

 

[CurtC]

Oh man. Like John-John really mattered all that much in the real world. Is the idea that Bush would kill John-John just because -- also according to Diaferia -- his father killed John-John's father?

Yeah, I can just see W ditching his secret service coverage, sneaking out to the airport, finding the right plane, and disconnecting the turn-and-bank indicator his own self. He's a cunning one!

 

[SRW]

Yeah, I can just see W ditching his secret service coverage, sneaking out to the airport, finding the right plane, and disconnecting the turn-and-bank indicator his own self. He's a cunning one!

Yeah like he has to go through all that trouble, obviously he hired the manufacture of the plane to set up a control panel demolition. Or had them fill it with a concrete core to assure it ran out of gas.

 

[CptColumbo]

Man, I didn't really start laughing when reading Joseph Diaferia's questions for Bush until I got to this one:

I liked the accusation that the Bush's have "super secret bank accounts." Does the banker have to cross-their-heart and hope to die if they reveal the existence of the account? How super secret can it be if he found out about it? Does the banker have to stick a needle in their eye now?