Loose Change - Part III

[dubfan]

Dated a girl who lost her stepdad at the Pentagon -- in the building, not on AA77. She cannot discuss 9/11 comfortably to this very day.

 

[Gravy]

Well, I don't know what took so long, but I've been suspended at Loose Change forums until approximately the end of time.

True to their open-minded, truth-seeking, democracy-loving ways, I was given no warning or notice of any kind.

It's about time! Every time I got in a discussion over there, I came away feeling like Mr. Spock after a bad Vulcan mind-meld.

Hoorah! Where's your badge?

Really, though, aggle, you did great work. Now you get to sit back and watch them self-destruct.

Or, just create a sock puppet and log in with a new name. My LC username is DJLegacy2k1 (ever notice that we're never seen in the same room together?).

 

[Apollyon]

OMG! You are all spooks.

I can't believe this is actually a forum full of CIA people put in place to monitor the truth movement who you inevitably knew would come along to challenge your complicit lies.



http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=6602&view=findpost&p=5479416

 

[Gravy]

Dylan, I just wanted to take a moment and thank you for all the work you have done to get half the country spun up over a bunch of crap that is completely wrong. If it weren't for you, all of these holocaust deniers and other low-caliber intellects would be off in a corner somewhere muttering about CIA plots and nefarious conspiracies and moon hoaxes and CGI 767s and voice morphing all by themselves.

Now, though, thanks to your yeoman efforts with Loose Change, you've managed to get this nuttery out into the mainstream.

Good job, dude!


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Whoa! I didn't read that whole thread before. During interviews they complain that they're treated like kids by their critics. Now Avery is saying, "We're just kids, give us a break." Yeah, just kids accusing people of mass murder while giving a pass to the real killers.

Sorry, Avery, but like it or not, you're chronologically a man. I was 22 once, and did my share of silly things, but you are off-the-chart arrogantly, vehemently, publicly, an a-hole.

Avery thinks I'm a waste of his time, but I told him that if he pays heed to my criticisms now, he will save himself a lot of embarrassment and grief in the future. We'll see.

 

[WildCat]

Whoa! I didn't read that whole thread before. During interviews they complain that they're treated like kids by their critics. Now Avery is saying, "We're just kids, give us a break." Yeah, just kids accusing people of mass murder while giving a pass to the real killers.

Sorry, Avery, but like it or not, you're chronologically a man. I was 22 once, and did my share of silly things, but you are off-the-chart arrogantly, vehemently, publicly, an a-hole.

Avery thinks I'm a waste of his time, but I told him that if he pays heed to my criticisms now, he will save himself a lot of embarrassment and grief in the future. We'll see.

You vs. Dylan is like tonights game between the White Sox and Cardinals.

You're the Sox, BTW.

 

[RandFan]

Now Avery is saying, "We're just kids, give us a break." Yeah, just kids accusing people of mass murder while giving a pass to the real killers.

Kids who are hurting people who have already been victimized and you show zero respect for the people you ostensibly care about. It would be nice if you would grow up.

 

[dubfan]

Whoa! I didn't read that whole thread before. During interviews they complain that they're treated like kids by their critics. Now Avery is saying, "We're just kids, give us a break." Yeah, just kids accusing people of mass murder while giving a pass to the real killers.

Interesting... I just spent a half hour writing a post on exactly that theme. They can't have it both ways. If they want to make serious charges and be taken seriously like adults, they need to be prepared for adult-sized criticism. They can't run away and claim we're just kids with a little old homemade film when the heat's on. Not after 7 million downloads, etc etc.

 

[Gravy]

Interesting... I just spent a half hour writing a post on exactly that theme. They can't have it both ways. If they want to make serious charges and be taken seriously like adults, they need to be prepared for adult-sized criticism. They can't run away and claim we're just kids with a little old homemade film when the heat's on. Not after 7 million downloads, etc etc.

I'm with you. Great post by dubfan here. Catch it before the thread is removed. http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=6602&view=findpost&p=5480515

 

[steve s]

Interesting... I just spent a half hour writing a post on exactly that theme. They can't have it both ways. If they want to make serious charges and be taken seriously like adults, they need to be prepared for adult-sized criticism. They can't run away and claim we're just kids with a little old homemade film when the heat's on. Not after 7 million downloads, etc etc.

I just read your post over there. It's brilliant. Everyone should read it. Please post a link to it. (I only know how to link to the entire thread. How do I link to an individual post?)

Steve S.

 

[MarkyX]

That's why Dylan and LTW are such heroes to me. Their life is on the line for the cause of Truth. Already a number of truthseekers have met curious ends.

HAHAHAHA LIFE IS ON THE LINE..

Keep dreaming buddy.

 

[gumboot]

My dad's a military officer here in New Zealand. A good friend of his was a staff officer in the very office that got hit. By luck he was in another part of the building on an errand at the time.

A couple of days after 9/11 He sent out an email to his friends world wide (including my Dad) basically giving his account of the day. It's a chilling and harrowing read. He is a navy intelligence officer, so he's very precise and clear about details.

He clearly identifies and describes flash-burns - unique injuries only caused by fuel-based fireballs (incidently, the same as described by the people who heard a "bomb" in the basement/lobbies of the Twin Towers, confirming it was jet fuel going down elevator shafts). He describes the chaos of the scene, the way the military took over from emergency personnel way out of their depth. He describes the dead and wounded. He describes walking home for 6 hours late that night (traffic wasn't going anywhere) after trying to rescue his work mates all day.

It is the experiences and memories of people like this, people like the firemen who toiled for weeks at ground zero hoping to find fellow firemen still alive, relatives of U93 who at least have the knowledge their loved ones tried to do something, it is all of this that makes things like LC such a vile terrible thing.

And yet they wonder why people like us care, if LC is such a pile of garbage what's the big deal?

It confirms what the document of the filmmakers' quotes made me suspect... these people have no idea of the significance of what they are saying.

I only hope you guys can somehow prevent your country from slipping into this madness. I suspect it's already too late for my country. Everyone here seems to believe things like LC as a matter of course.

-Andrew

 

[Class]

Looser jdyolam seems to think that a clear sunny day in September is suspicious. What are the chances that a terrorist attack would happen on a sunny, cloudless day?
s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=6678&st=0&#entry5481373

 

[CurtC]

Well, I don't know what took so long, but I've been suspended at Loose Change forums until approximately the end of time.

Me too. It must have been two-fer night.

No warning or explanation. I think the latest Gravy piece has rocked their little world. Take a look at this post by trombones76:

Okay, I started this thread, and I'm not saying i'm sorry, because I'm always in favor of free discussion. But I am somewhat sorry that I came to this forum to begin with. I found it through a friend of mine who knows I have major issues with the WTC collapses. Basically, he told me that this was THE place to come for alternative discussion.

...

But I am nobody's toady, and I always want to know what's what for myself. So in the past day I read the rest of the "hit piece" and listened to several of the interviews that were referred to.

And I'm sorry, guys, but I cannot support LC after hearing the things I heard.

...

From what I heard, the quotes were not taken out of context. They are what they are. And alot of them are just plain nasty and stupid and wrong. And relying on Jason Bermas? This guy is a crackpot, plain and simple. He's a f***ing idiiot. And Dylan and Korey seem to look up to him as Mr. Knowledge.

But the worst part is hearing Dylan dissing the victims, or try to back away and say he's not dissing them, and then he insults them.

Reactions like that are why you did all that work, Gravy.

 

[RandFan]

Looser jdyolam seems to think that a clear sunny day in September is suspicious. What are the chances that a terrorist attack would happen on a sunny, cloudless day?
s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=6678&st=0&#entry5481373

Damn, the Loose Change Brain Trust. Proof positive, it was a sunny day.

 

[gumboot]

Any of you heard of

Loose Trains?

Check it out. Daming proof:

Nicholas Borrillo -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) on 23rd floor of North Tower:
Then we heard a rumble. We heard it and we felt the whole building shake. It was like being on a train, being in an earthquake. A train is more like it, because with the train you hear the rumbling, and it kind of like moved you around in the hall.

***

The government, using the CIA, conspired with the Freemasons and Amtrak to kill thousands of Americans to increase the profit of railway companies. They used holographic planes to fool the world not just to hide the truth, THEY DID IT TO SCARE PEOPLE AWAY FROM AIR TRAVEL SO THAT THEY WOULD RIDE MORE TRAINS.

Brilliant...

 

[Gravy]

Looser Popul Vuh is quite the paragon of righteous indignation:

To suggest that those who post here make mokery over the deaths of those who were murdered on 911 is such an outrageous lie I can't imagine you actually typed those words. I lost two very close friends, and daily see the remains of their families struggling to come to terms with what happened, and they don't believe a word of the "official story" so a hearty F U! for your insensitivity and ignorance.

The only reason I bother with this, after all the time, energy, money and sleep I've lost is BECAUSE of those people and the widows and survivors I've met since then who coudn't disagree with you more.

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=6602&view=findpost&p=5460291

Ah, but it was Popul Vuh who got me started on all this, with his hideous disrespect for victim Edna Cintron:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1572580&postcount=1

Loosers have very short memories.

 

[Brainster]

Me too. It must have been two-fer night.

No warning or explanation. I think the latest Gravy piece has rocked their little world. Take a look at this post by trombones76:


Reactions like that are why you did all that work, Gravy.

It's pretty disoriented over there. It's ironic that in the real world the Loosers are higher than they have ever been, but they can all sense the ship is taking on water. We can joke about it a lot, but those folks are the true believers and about all they can say anymore is that Loose Change is a good introduction to the concepts that the Truthers want to get across, despite all the errors that they now admit exist.

My buddy at the office? He's embarrassed, doesn't want to admit that he bought LC first time around. I thought he was the canary in the coalmine and he was, but in the good way--that people who are really interested in the facts won't listen to a BS Truther once the lies are exposed.

When James and I went over there first early in May about the best they would admit was the B-25, not B-52 issue. Now somebody writes in to compliment LC and even the Admins are saying "well, we hope you understand that Loose Change has a lot of problems."

Killer job by Gravy, Markyx and all you guys. I don't think this is over by any means, but we are winning for now.

 

[Brainster]

Looser Popul Vuh is quite the paragon of righteous indignation:


Ah, but it was Popul Vuh who got me started on all this, with his hideous disrespect for victim Edna Cintron:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1572580&postcount=1

Loosers have very short memories.

And I would not have heard of Loose Change (although I was vaguely aware of LIHOP and MIHOP) if the Loosers had not spammed the comments section of the Huffington Post reviews of United 93 at Tribeca. And I would probably not have gotten as irate had I seen V2 instead of V1; the part that really got me angry was the joking about Todd Beamer talking to a Verizon supervisor (and an FBI agent) instead of asking to be patched through to his pregnant wife. Somebody like Dylan would not understand that but any adult would appreciate the agony of the situation; to Avery it was a plot point in a soap opera to be criticized because it did not fit his juvenile worldview.

And to be honest there was a sense even on my first viewing that this was a target-rich environment. In the end the paranoids are right; Loose Change appears like a trap for the Truthers.

L. Ron Hubbard was wrong. Founding a religion seems like a difficult way to make money compared to just hopping on the conspiracy theory band wagon. Maybe we could collaborate on a film about New Orleans? I know, I know, we can't take advantage of folks that way. But it does make you think the bunco squads must have been tempted back in the day, when they saw how easily the marks turned over their money.

 

[Kaarjuus]

Founding a religion seems like a difficult way to make money compared to just hopping on the conspiracy theory band wagon. Maybe we could collaborate on a film about New Orleans?

A while ago I tried to invent the most ridiculous conspiracy theory I could, and decided that the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami would be a suitable source. Much to my dismay, I found that I was too late (do a web search on "tsunami conspiracy" and see for yourself.) There are actually people out there who believe that the tsunami was caused by

a) nuclear testing
b) a submarine firing a missile at a fault line
c) aliens trying to correct the planet's trajectory

Humanity is doomed

 

[gumboot]

a) nuclear testing
b) a submarine firing a missile at a fault line
c) aliens trying to correct the planet's trajectory

Humanity is doomed

A while back we had some pretty cool erruptions at Mt Rupehu here in New Zealand. A few newspapers immediately blamed french nuclear testing that was ongoing in the pacific. (They also described lava, even though it is an explosive volcano).

I have heard people blame American B-52 carpet bombing in Iraq for the earthquake that caused the Boxing Day Tsunami. Never mind the logic...if the minor energy release of carpet bombing produced earthquakes... that would mean an earthquake, releasing far more energy, would produce an even *bigger* earthquake, which would in turn produce and even BIGGER earthquake... and so forth.

-Andrew