Loose Change - Part III

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fowlsound said:
Yeah that ruined "Enemy of the State" as well. MOST of that movie's technology was nicely plausible, but ffs the "image enhancement" scene where they discover the bag changed shape... Oh that made me change the channel.
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The only time I've ever watched the CSI tv show was an episode where there was a murder behind a person who took a snapshot with a digital camera. They enhanced the reflection off the eyes of the subjects in the photo, and saw the murderer behind the photographer.

I haven't bothered watching it again.
 
Harlequin said:
I've been looking at all this pod/missile/flash stuff (OK, not all) and wondering what exactly is the problem. They show lots of pictures that appear to have a "pod" of some kind, but it looks remarkably identical to the shape of the engine and is located in a place that (I think) would either not fit under the plane when it was on the runway, or at least would interfere with the landing gear.
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Welcome to our world.
 
gumboot said:
Is that the one that they claim has a "bomb crater" in it?

-Andrew
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That's the one, the bomb crater full of debris from WTC 1.

And the reason the buildings either side of WTC 7 didn't fall was because they weren't owned by Larry Silverstein.

Despite the fact that the plotters were so clever to get all the explosives up in the buildings, and crash planes into them, they suddenly became stupid when they didn't think that it would look suspicious just blowing up WTC 7 in between two other buildings.
 
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Harlequin said:
I've been looking at all this pod/missile/flash stuff (OK, not all) and wondering what exactly is the problem. They show lots of pictures that appear to have a "pod" of some kind, but it looks remarkably identical to the shape of the engine and is located in a place that (I think) would either not fit under the plane when it was on the runway, or at least would interfere with the landing gear.
In some of the views, it seems to me it could be a combination of reflected sunlight and shadow from an engine, but in others that doesn't seem to be possible.
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Pesky Mr. Sun, always rising in the east in the morning! Making long shadows! Pesky Mr. Sun!
 
Johnny Pixels said:
Oh my. I didn't realise the CT crowd were claiming that WTC 6 was bombed as well.
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Oh yeah, they detonated a huge bomb inside WTC6, even though the 1300ft skyscraper across the street was primed with explosives that would cause it to rain thousands of tons of steel all over it anyway. Why did they blow a huge hole in it? Ermm......look at the size of that crater!

Seriously though, the WTC6 'bombing' is one of the most poorly constructed 'theories' and is usually spewed out only by the nuttiest of 9/11 nuts, but fun to debunk anyhow.

And of course, the planes had massive bombs strapped to their underbellies. And fired a missile as they crashed. Even though the towers were rigged with explosives anyway. Logic? Who needs it!
 
Johnny Pixels said:
Despite the fact that the plotters were so clever to get all the explosives up in the buildings, and crash planes into them, they suddenly became stupid when they didn't think that it would look suspicious just blowing up WTC 7 in between two other buildings.
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No, no, you're not up with the play. They intended to blow them all up, but brave whistleblowers within the conspiracy foiled their plot, allowing only WTC7 to be blown up, as a clear signal to truth seekers everywhere that something was afoot.

:p It's elementary, dear Watson.

-Andrew
 
Magnets? Always with the magnets...

So now they put giant magnets in the WTC to attract the planes.

Well, then, the conspiracy must have been done by school teachers and administrators, because elementary schoolteachers and administrators are obsessed with and by magnets. That and Permanent Record Cards.

Maybe the reason WTC7 was whacked was to destroy all the Permanent Record Cards in the Board of Education, so they could rewrite the records to create lies about New York schoolchildren who went through the system and became conspiracy theorists! Boy, wouldn't their lives go to heck if their 8th grade English grades were changed! :D
 
gumboot said:
No, no, you're not up with the play. They intended to blow them all up, but brave whistleblowers within the conspiracy foiled their plot, allowing only WTC7 to be blown up, as a clear signal to truth seekers everywhere that something was afoot.

:p It's elementary, dear Watson.

-Andrew
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Hey, I just know what I read in my weekly Government Shill newsletter.
 
Gravy said:
One error in LC that I didn't catch but that was pointed out to me by a German guy recently is that Hanjour didn't overfly the Pentagon at 7,000 feet. He was at that altitude at abour 40 miles out. He was at about 2,200 feet when he made he wide turn, according to ATC.
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Do you have a source for that? I was wondering about that point. Might make a good topic for a post.
 
Let me stress that the planes/missiles are optional. They could have fitted some sort of "plane magnet" in WTC1 and WTC2 as well, thus ensuring the exact point of impact, however no planes would have been the easiest plan as far as success rate goes and there is photographic evidence to suggest that the planes have been added to the pictures electronically and there are plenty of people here who follow the no planes option as a result.
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I can't believe you guys are making fun of them for thinking that there were giant magnets in the WTC. Giant magnets would be stupid. Clearly a 'plane magnet' is something entirely different from a regular magnet. A plane magnet only attracts planes, duh.
 
dissonance said:
I can't believe you guys are making fun of them for thinking that there were giant magnets in the WTC. Giant magnets would be stupid. Clearly a 'plane magnet' is something entirely different from a regular magnet. A plane magnet only attracts planes, duh.
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I think they watched too many of those superhero cartoons in which the mad scientist villain constructs a giant magnet that attracts ALL THE GOLD IN THE WORLD! (Which, come to think of it, would keep them from having to have the line of dump trucks that was supposedly found under the collapsed buildings.)
 
Loosers Make Salon

Farhad Manjoo, who did a terrific takedown of RFK Jr's claim that Ohio was stolen from John Kerry in the 2004 election, grapples with the Loosers and Truthers. Note: You have to watch a brief ad to read the story.

He links to Gravy's debunking, which is a big deal. If the media start linking Loose Change and the debunking together, LC will become another Hitler's Diaries. About the only negative is that Manjoo semi-buys into the CD theory of WTC7, which really doesn't make a good conspiracy theory on its own.
 
gumboot said:
EDT: :eek: I just looked at that site... surely the person who made it is joking right? I mean... "man with a military style haircut"???
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Yeah, I'm trying to figure out whether she (I think it's a woman named Barbara running the site) believes that she's actually seeing the Whatzit's pilot, gun, and so on, or whether she thinks she is seeing the... I dunno, the "spectral auras" of those things, or some such nonsense.

The site's front page is a whole world of crazy. She apparently runs every news photo through her Photoshop filter treatment and thinks if it creates an X on someone's nose, that means they're a Reptoid. Even though she's mostly enhancing the grain and compression artifacts in the photos. (Check out the link about how CIA appointee Gen. Haydn [sic] "REALLY HAS COOTIES AND AN EVIL SNAKE NOSE".)
 
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