Loose Change - Part III

[Sal The Butcher]

WKJO is the most "suggestive" of all, they are (as they openly admit) playing "6 degrees of separation", and then suggesting everyone in the chain is in on the conspiracy. On the other hand WKJO will never be "debunked" because
1) it makes very few claims, it just promotes guilt by association and
2) it is a work of fiction, it's not claiming to be a documentary, or dealing with facts, any inconvenient inconsistencies can just be dismissed as artistic license. You may as well "debunk" the DaVinci code or the x-files.

its a movie, i said this, but it makes many interesting points

 

[brodski]

its a movie, i said this, but it makes many interesting points

no, it doesn't any more than say "v for vendetta" does (which, unlike WKJO is a good movie). By making accusations as part of an admitted work of fiction, the makers avoid most criticism, or corrections.

 

[Sal The Butcher]

no, it doesn't any more than say "v for vendetta" does (which, unlike WKJO is a good movie). By making accusations as part of an admitted work of fiction, the makers avoid most criticism, or corrections.

the movie makes refernces to things that many are not aware of, and these things can be researched, i said in the initial post that the movies shouldnt be used to obtain information, but to get an idea of what information can be obtained, rest assured, someone learning the name 'barry seal' (for example) will be far more relevant then someone learning the name of the guy witrh the mask (sorry, i never saw v for vendetta)

 

[Ducky]

Sal, why exactly should I take a work of fiction such as WKJO and think it should be used as a guide to research anything?

By that logic using "Buckaroo Bonzai" as a guide I can research the 8th dimension eh?

 

[Sal The Butcher]

you have mistaken what i am trying to say, its irrelevant what inspires the research that leads to knowledge, but whatever, dont listen to me, i didnt tell you to

 

[Ducky]

No I see exactly what you are trying to say, and it is the equivalent of saying Oliver Stone's JFK is a good starting point for researching JFK's assasination.

Except it is not a good starting point. It is factually incorrect in many ways, and makes wild assumptions without supporting evidence.

Just like your movie, WKJO.


The difference is, Oliver Stone has the chops to pull off a good movie. The same can't be said for any movie made so far about 9/11 conspiracies.

 

[Sal The Butcher]

im saying that movie references ALOT of people many have NEVER heard of, thats why it is usefull, the names can be researched

 

[Sal The Butcher]

as far as the JFK assasination i have only seen one thing that has really seemed odd to me, there is a clip that supposedley shows the secret service reciecve an oreder to move away from the motorcade slightkly before JFK is shot

 

[Johnny Pixels]

No I see exactly what you are trying to say, and it is the equivalent of saying Oliver Stone's JFK is a good starting point for researching JFK's assasination.

Except it is not a good starting point. It is factually incorrect in many ways, and makes wild assumptions without supporting evidence.

That's not entirely true. JFK was one the film that led me to research the JFK assasination and started me on a journey that led me here. I do agree that it's a poor start for research because the first thing you have to do is research how little of the film is accurate though, but that could be a good way to sharpen your critical thinking and analysis skills.

 

[Ducky]

as far as the JFK assasination i have only seen one thing that has really seemed odd to me, there is a clip that supposedley shows the secret service reciecve an oreder to move away from the motorcade slightkly before JFK is shot

Please provide a source for that.

 

[Ducky]

That's not entirely true. JFK was one the film that led me to research the JFK assasination and started me on a journey that led me here. I do agree that it's a poor start for research because the first thing you have to do is research how little of the film is accurate though, but that could be a good way to sharpen your critical thinking and analysis skills.

Most people aren't going to be as critical. In fact, I would say that the only thing most people will be led to by JFK (and any CT movie) is a bunch of specious sites about CT. Yes you can find your way to good information, but only after sifting through a ton of google to get to it. What are the first 20 hits on google if you search for JFK and Assasination?

 

[Johnny Pixels]

Most people aren't going to be as critical. In fact, I would say that the only thing most people will be led to by JFK (and any CT movie) is a bunch of specious sites about CT. Yes you can find your way to good information, but only after sifting through a ton of google to get to it. What are the first 20 hits on google if you search for JFK and Assasination?

Unfortunately this is very true. It's a pity there's no requirement for things to be factual before they class themselves as documentaries.

 

[Johnny Pixels]

Actually things aren't that bad, the first hit is a debunk site http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm

Not that it will change CTs minds, as we've experienced with Christophera and others. That's quite scary really.

 

[Sal The Butcher]

Please provide a source for that.

im not sure what this clip is from, and im not sure if the video presented is taken out of context, but if this actually did happen just before he was shot it is quite odd

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5770984395481454022&q=kennedy+assasination

 

[chipmunk stew]

im saying that movie references ALOT of people many have NEVER heard of, thats why it is usefull, the names can be researched

To what end? Do you suggest that it's productive to send people off on a snipe hunt?

I suggest that it's a time-wasting misdirection if the ultimate goal is truth.

But if you're looking to expand your hobby, I could supply you with a list of more names that you've never heard of and that have no substantial connection to 9/11.

 

[steve s]

the movie makes refernces to things that many are not aware of, and these things can be researched,

Shouldn't the makers of the film do that research before they go through the trouble of making the movie?

Steve S.

 

[Ducky]

im not sure what this clip is from, and im not sure if the video presented is taken out of context, but if this actually did happen just before he was shot it is quite odd

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5770984395481454022&q=kennedy+assasination

2 things:

1) That video gives no sources or interviews of who those agents are or who they are talking to. It makes assumptions with no supporting evidence or interviews confirming who those agents are.
2) Considering that turn to Elm drops the president right onto the freeway (on the following block), why would you have agents run along the car anyway? You're about to have a car doing 50+mph. Do you expect agents to run alongside or dangerously hang off the rear?

I see nothing odd in what you've presented.

 

[Sal The Butcher]

2 things:

1) That video gives no sources or interviews of who those agents are or who they are talking to. It makes assumptions with no supporting evidence or interviews confirming who those agents are.
2) Considering that turn to Elm drops the president right onto the freeway (on the following block), why would you have agents run along the car anyway? You're about to have a car doing 50+mph. Do you expect agents to run alongside or dangerously hang off the rear?

I see nothing odd in what you've presented.

i figured it was taken out of context

 

[Belz...]

For starters, Quebec is second place in terms 'rabid anti-americanism'. Second, he comes from a province that believes it's culture is superior than the rest of canada.

Or at least "distinct", whatever that means.

Yeah, you've got a point. And this is a cause of friction between me and my fellow Québécois.

 

[JamesB]

OMG the Loose Change Forum is hilarious. Here is someone bemoaning the fact that people have not caught on to the "truth".

I have always thoght that it were very high standard of educasion in physics and science in the US scholes.

I belive that it is only the question of time and information.

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=6806&st=60

And no, I did not change any of the spelling.