Loose Change - Part III

[Belz...]

He is from Montreal. Nuff said.

Meaning ?

 

[Brainster]

Woah. This is what he has to say ?



So now it DIDN'T fall into its own footprint ?

"Look, the flights are empty, they were trying to minimize casualties!"

"Look, the occupants of the North Tower were told to remain at their offices, they were trying to maximize casualties!"

"Look, the buildings collapsed neatly into their own footprint, they were trying to minimize casualties!"

 

[Brainster]

I Wanna Be CIA Too!

Dang, MR's a CIA spook?

Dylan's apparently accused him of being CIA on his MySpace page. The accusation itself has been taken down, but you can see it reflected in one of the comments:

6/22/2006 9:24 AM

Is it true Mark Roberts is CIA? Some things in the Loose Change Viewer Guide seem plausible like the mysterious object that is mentioned being carried out by agents covered with a blue tarp being nothing but a tent. It looks exactly like the tents that were set up outside the Pentagon and it doesn't seem to be too heavy for the agents carrying it. I just like to see and here all sides. 3 sides to every story...2 different views and then the actual truth. I do agree with a lot of the things that Loose Change claims. You just never know. I wasn't actually there so I can only go by what people say, news reports (that have definately been known to be false), video, and audio evidence. Sometimes it gets confusing. Like how Loose Change says Flight 93 landed in Cleveland, OH but you have Alex Jones saying it was shot down and the debris of the plane was over an 8 mile wide area. Will someone please get back to me on the validity of the Loose Change Viewer's Guide by Mark Roberts? I would really appreciate it. Dylan's headline saying he's CIA wouldn't surprise me. Mark Roberts seems to be a genius on all the facts.

Those of us around here certainly agree with that last sentence!

 

[pgwenthold]

So now it DIDN'T fall into its own footprint ?

The best response in this case is to tell Merc to be sure to correct anyone then who actually claims it "fell in its own footprint" to help stop the spread of disinformation.

If they are interested in truth, then he should be willing to do it. If he doesn't, then apparently truth is not the issue.

 

[Stellafane]

Dang, MR's a CIA spook?

Dylan's apparently accused him of being CIA on his MySpace page. The accusation itself has been taken down, but you can see it reflected in one of the comments...

Heh heh heh, so Gravy's in The Company, eh? In that case, tell Squeaking Eagle that Incontinent Hedgehog says "hey!"

(Gravy will know what that means.)

 

[Hellbound]

Heh heh heh, so Gravy's in The Company, eh? In that case, tell Squeaking Eagle that Incontinent Hedgehog says "hey!"

(Gravy will know what that means.)

The turtle is wearing a blue sweater. There is no monkey in the freezer.

I repeat, there is NO monkey in the freezer.

 

[Gravy]

Heh heh heh, so Gravy's in The Company, eh? In that case, tell Squeaking Eagle that Incontinent Hedgehog says "hey!"

(Gravy will know what that means.)

It's called "Deep Uncover."

eta: I do find it interesting that Avery doesn't know that the FBI handles domestic intelligence.

 

[MarkyX]

Meaning ?

For starters, Quebec is second place in terms 'rabid anti-americanism'. Second, he comes from a province that believes it's culture is superior than the rest of canada.

So we have an egomaniac iranian quebec fellow trying to give us their opinion. I'm just so sure that this gentleman doesn't have an agenda at all.

 

[JamesB]

It was there yesterday when I looked. I should have got a screenshot. Gravy, can you get me a job? I would prefer to be posted to Europe. The UK would be nice. Japan might be fun too.

 

[Sentinel]

"Jelly Mix"

Its like compound acid.... It melts steel.



Sentinel

 

[Sentinel]

On a side note

The loosechange party is about to be turned up a notch.







Sentinel

 

[Hellbound]

Its like compound acid.... It melts steel.



Sentinel

So it's NOT like Thermite then. Gotcha. It's a non-explosive demolition agent. Nothing new.

It's not a 3000 degree burn that has to be held against a vertical steel column.

 

[JamesB]

Its like compound acid.... It melts steel.

I think someone has been doing too much acid.

 

[Hellbound]

I think someone has been doing too much acid.

Things like this do exist:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-explosive_demolition_agents

Of course, I haven't heard of one that works on steel like an acid.

So, Sentinal, got a source, or do you expect us to just take your word for it?

I expect you saw them using this on a buildings foundations, or other concrete structures (floors or a concrete cored building).

To my knowledge there isn't one for steel (and CDI's web page makes no mention of a non-explosive demolition agent they use at all).

 

[MikeW]

Heh heh heh, so Gravy's in The Company, eh?

It's the way they think... One favourite example for me.

One "inside job" theorist who had been emailing me for a while, wrote a long post on a forum, and tried to post a link to a photo on the FBI site. It came up not found, so he posted ominously about how it always used to work just fine, until he mentioned it to me.

I read this, clicked on the link, and indeed it didn't work. Why? I took a look, and he'd mistyped it: that's all. But it was much easier, more dramatic and doubtless flattering to his ego to pretend that I was some evil disinformation agent fighting his super-important work, rather than bother doing the tiniest bit of research (like "reading what you type").

 

[Gravy]

The loosechange party is about to be turned up a notch.

Can you be more specific? And can you condense your post format, please?

 

[Sal The Butcher]

let me say something reguarding loose change...
(btw, i dont punctuate or capitalize in forums)

people (unfortunitley) seem to know this film more then any other in the category...


i have been in contact with a few people who seem to believe that avery (the maker iof this series) has no interests other then making money, and establishing himself as a filmaker...

i have been told this by someone who has made a simmilar film among others involved in the truth movement...

my main problem with the loose change series is that its too suggestive, it presents a few facts, and then tells you what COULD have happened, this type of film will be HIGHLY effective among younger more suseptible people, but among an educated crowd the inconsistencies and sugestions will lead to the dissmissal of the rest of the film, there are quite a few films that are FAR less suggestive, and i hope to conduct many conversations here reguarding the events of 911

 

[Gravy]

let me say something reguarding loose change...
(btw, i dont punctuate or capitalize in forums)

people (unfortunitley) seem to know this film more then any other in the category...


i have been in contact with a few people who seem to believe that avery (the maker iof this series) has no interests other then making money, and establishing himself as a filmaker...

i have been told this by someone who has made a simmilar film among others involved in the truth movement...

my main problem with the loose change series is that its too suggestive, it presents a few facts, and then tells you what COULD have happened, this type of film will be HIGHLY effective among younger more suseptible people, but among an educated crowd the inconsistencies and sugestions will lead to the dissmissal of the rest of the film, there are quite a few films that are FAR less suggestive, and i hope to conduct many conversations here reguarding the events of 911

Welcome to the forum, Sal. Be sure to look around at the other subforums here. Lots of interesting discussions going on about all sorts of subjects.

I''m assuming that the other films you mentioned are 9/11 conspiracy-related. Can you recommend a film that you feel is factually accurate?

 

[Sal The Butcher]

Welcome to the forum, Sal. Be sure to look around at the other subforums here. Lots of interesting discussions going on about all sorts of subjects.

I''m assuming that the other films you mentioned are 9/11 conspiracy-related. Can you recommend a film that you feel is factually accurate?

most of the films either present the facts in a somewhat distorted manner, or make assumptions, and im pretty sure no film is completley innocent of this, from what i remember a film that is verry non-sugestive is 'EVERYBODYS GOTTA LEARN SOMETIME'
there is a point in the middle where movie clips are shown, its obvious why, but i feel its unecesary, and some are irrelevant

its less about the physical evidence

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a movie that is VERRY unique (it is ACTUALLY a movie, NOT a documentary type film, but MANY interesting points are made) is 'WHO KILLED JOHN ONEIL'
both videos can be found and viewed for free on google video (video.google.com)

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the best thing to do with ANY 911 film is watch it for references of documents and events, and then research said items, the films will reference things you may not have heard of otherwise, and thats the best use of the films, to view them to get an idea of what type of information is obtainable, NOT to obtain the information from them, they all tend to embelish and go off track

 

[brodski]

a movie that is VERRY unique (it is ACTUALLY a movie, NOT a documentary type film, but MANY interesting points are made) is 'WHO KILLED JOHN ONEIL'
both videos can be found and viewed for free on google video (video.google.com)

WKJO is the most "suggestive" of all, they are (as they openly admit) playing "6 degrees of separation", and then suggesting everyone in the chain is in on the conspiracy. On the other hand WKJO will never be "debunked" because
1) it makes very few claims, it just promotes guilt by association and
2) it is a work of fiction, it's not claiming to be a documentary, or dealing with facts, any inconvenient inconsistencies can just be dismissed as artistic license. You may as well "debunk" the DaVinci code or the x-files.