Loose Change - Part III

[Johnny C.]

ROTFLMAO I am watching CSPAN, Alex Jones is claiming we had 44,000 US troops in Uzbekistan and Tajikistan before 9/11 in order to invade Afghanistan. That is equal to nearly 3 divisions, out of the 11 on active duty. Amazing nobody noticed. Why is it then when we invaded Afghanistan we only used a small amount of Special Forces, and even then it took over a month before they began?

Lol, good point.

The war in Afghanistan was a joke. We hit less than 100 targets in over 1 week of air bombings. Most of the targets werent even damaged over 50% so we had to bomb the same 100 buildings twice. Boots on the ground didnt happen for weeks. The largest influence in the war was one CIA agent, Gary (I dont know his last name, thats probably not even his first) carrying millions of dollars and paying of warlords to abandon the Taliban.

Bush at War by Bob Woodward is a facinating book covering the first 100 days of the war in Afghanistan.

 

[apathoid]

Still with the insults (comparing me to M.S.)...lol...my gorilla is getting real anxious. I might have to let him loose on you.

Hey, I could've also connected some dots through Canada, but I didnt need to point out the obvious (oops I guess I just did )

j/k

 

[T.A.M.]

Thanks for the add Brainster.

Keep'em coming Apathoid...

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Welcome to the living dead!

I've added you to our blogroll. Arkan, I recall you started a blog, what's the URL so I can add you too?

Crap, that's right; I took it out of my sigline. Here it is: http://arkanwolfshade.spaces.msn.com/

 

[T.A.M.]

just added you to my blog wolf.

This is the best way to fight the onslaught that will now occur with the C-Span presentation.

Those who watched need to know the "REAL TRUTH" is out there. Keep spreading the web.

 

[realitybites]

Sbrown has left the building.

And can currently be seen hamming up the role of Martyr over at LC.

 

[kookbreaker]

And can currently be seen hamming up the role of Martyr over at LC.

Pheh, and now he's whining that there is not specific rule about posting things multiple times. Like any message board gives specific numbers about how many posts of the same thing make spam. Especially when it is the second offense, the first being off the deep end.

The loosers seem a bit slow coming to his defense. I'd have expected much more blind defense from them than what I've seen.

 

[MarkyX]

I heard some rumors about Charlie sheen apologizing to arabs..

If I can just find this one last thing, my video will be complete.

 

[T.A.M.]

They are beyond convincing, so why does anyone here even bother. I haven't even bothered to join the LC forum at anytime, because I know (1) They cannot be convinced of anything but the "truth" mantra, and (2) If I for some reason tried to convince them, I'd be banned instantly.

I am just gonna focus my time on researching, and postsing what I find, and hope that when joe public does a search for 911 REAL TRUTH, he will find the stuff I have collected, and read it for his/herself.

 

[kevin]

Ah Ha! This is how it was done. Not just termite, but termite plus liquid nitrogen! So simple....

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Yex063_Fblk&search=Thermite and liquid nitrogen

 

[hellaeon]

I agree T.A.M

They want this to be true, its a belief system and wont be swayed no matter what. They believe it to be true, thus it is. They believe any small notion, incorrect and distorted, and believe it fundamentally.

It actually saddens me to see people believe in TV and movies that much. Its so far removed from reality.

They practice all that they preach, the whole NWO thing, by changing posts and banning opposing facts and opinions. They live in the same distorted reality they proclaim to be trying to save us from.

Its easy to show how ridiculous there 'evidence' is yet they wont listen. Most of of it can be just swayed by common sense - and thats what scares me. They lack even simple basic reality based common sense. Simple things like gravity, inertia, damn primary school science! They live in an era of science and still resort to mob rule. Are they that secluded? Have they spent so long locked in the same routine that the world outside only exists through TV and the net??? I swear a lot of the reason behind their beliefs is not just idiocy, but some weird attention they thrive on knowing this 'secret' knowledge that is all just completely wrong. The fact that people like dylan avery are still alive is immediate proof its all just fringe lunacy. Glory hounds. All looking for their 15 minutes of fame. The rebel leaders! Anarchy!

Even if something unfortunate happened like a car accident or something to him or alex jones, it would take all of 2 minutes for the government to get blamed since "Avery and co are close to the truth!"

Dealing with them is a lesson in patience and anger management.

 

[JamesB]

Lol, good point.

The war in Afghanistan was a joke. We hit less than 100 targets in over 1 week of air bombings. Most of the targets werent even damaged over 50% so we had to bomb the same 100 buildings twice. Boots on the ground didnt happen for weeks. The largest influence in the war was one CIA agent, Gary (I dont know his last name, thats probably not even his first) carrying millions of dollars and paying of warlords to abandon the Taliban.

Bush at War by Bob Woodward is a facinating book covering the first 100 days of the war in Afghanistan.

I wouldn't say it was a joke. It is a landlocked country in a remote region, it took a while to get troops there. Once we were able to get them in theater, we were able to do incredible things with only a few hundred men on the ground. Bombing people from 20,000 feat doesn't work, unless you have someone on the ground telling you what you should be bombing.

De Oppresso Liber

 

[Brainster]

I heard some rumors about Charlie sheen apologizing to arabs..

If I can just find this one last thing, my video will be complete.

It's not in his speech at the LA Symposium....

Checking the interview with Alex Jones... nope.

 

[negativ]

From <some other forum I like>:

And, yeah, Professor Steven Jones managed to convince me that the buildings were triggered with explosives, and that was the reason they fell. I guess there's only one question left to answer, huh? Who did it? And why?

I wish I could say that the person who wrote the above is an unthinking idiot. The fact is, I know he's not. I am reminded of Shermer's chapter on "Why Smart People Believe Weird Things", but I simply don't have the pedigree to convince him otherwise.

Maybe it's because I agree so strongly with Sam Harris' thoughts on religion -- Islam in particular -- that I feel so strongly about this. I am perfectly willing to ignore my friends' beliefs in astrology, psychics, bigfoot, UFOs-as-ETs, et al, because I think that all those are ultimately harmless. According to my worldview, there's entirely too little critical attention being paid to the heavily armed, well funded, and allegedly world's fastest growing death-cult that is Islam.

This CT bullshtz evokes in me senses of sadness, anger, frustration, and futility, each of which compete vigorously among themselves to see which one I'll feel most strongly when the topic comes up in the workplace or on-line.

Grr. Never mind.

 

[Brainster]

Its easy to show how ridiculous there 'evidence' is yet they wont listen. Most of of it can be just swayed by common sense - and thats what scares me. They lack even simple basic reality based common sense. Simple things like gravity, inertia, damn primary school science! They live in an era of science and still resort to mob rule.

Remember, their premise is the purported conclusion that they have "reluctantly" (as Professor Jones put it) come to accept--that Bush/Cheney did it. This becomes their way of testing evidence--if it comports to the conspiracy as they believe it, then it's evidence of the conspiracy. If it does not, then it's evidence of the coverup.

If we could design a Tardis that would go back in space and time to Flight 11 out of Boston and we showed the CT crowd Atta and his thugs forcing their way into the cockpit, they would say, "Amazing. How did Bush and Cheney manage to get these men under their control? Must be hypnotic mind-rays! Isn't this grand--we've proven that Nico and Killtown and the Web Fairy are all wet!"

 

[Gravy]

Who Am I?

A JREfer was good enough to point out to me that I don't know who I am.

Posted by Dylan Avery on LC Forum

Mark Roberts looks like Robert DeNiro. and he often travels with a fat guy in a business suit, who just stands and talks on his cell phone.

"Mr. Roberts" (which is not his real name) seems like a good man, almost as if he's doing something he doesn't want to be doing...

but alas, he has a job to do. i can't blame him.

Although I have had many meetings with fat guys in business suits (I used to be a conventional desk jockey), if I ever traveled with one, it was long ago.

That much I know.

What I don't know is who I am. Since Avery does know, I implore him to tell me. I promise that if he reveals my true identity, I will stop this contentious nonsense and devote all my free time to promoting his work.

Can someone post this over there?

 

[brumsen]

According to my worldview, there's entirely too little critical attention being paid to the heavily armed, well funded, and allegedly world's fastest growing death-cult that is Islam.

Moving a tad too fast there, perhaps?
Let me just go on record saying that I disagree with you about "the nature of islam".
And, perhaps more importantly, that "CT ********" does not preclude critical attention to islam, IMO. If anything, it is more likely to make it possible, by moving the debate beyond "those muslims are obviously bad guys that we have to wage war against, just look at what they did to our Towers!"

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Moving a tad too fast there, perhaps?
Let me just go on record saying that I disagree with you about "the nature of islam".
And, perhaps more importantly, that "CT ********" does not preclude critical attention to islam, IMO. If anything, it is more likely to make it possible, by moving the debate beyond "those muslims are obviously bad guys that we have to wage war against, just look at what they did to our Towers!"

That's absurd.

Conspiracist bilge regarding 9-11 can no more aid us in understanding and dealing with extremist islam than holocaust denial can help us understand anti-semitism.

 

[Gravy]

That's absurd.

Conspiracist bilge regarding 9-11 can no more aid us in understanding and dealing with extremist islam than holocaust denial can help us understand anti-semitism.

I agree, but I don't think calling all of Islam a "death cult" is accurate or helpful either.

 

[MarkyX]

No one is calling Islam a 'death cult'.

We are calling Islamic EXTREMINISTS a 'death cult'

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6162397493278181614&q=obsession&hl=en

This documentary involves an ex-terrorist, ex-hitler youth, a palestine journalist, an editor of a pakistan magazine and a daughter of a martyr supporting the idea that "very pissed off Muslms" do dislike the West and our way of life. You see, unlike Loose Change, this documentary has credible people who live and breathe the subject.