Loose Change - Part III

[Pardalis]

The reason why i "mirrored" shrinkers pic is because i am beginning to lose respect for you.

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edit: Hey Pardalis!

Hello childlike.

If you have any proof that the 9/11 attacks were an inside job, please let us know.

 

[T.A.M.]

Have you seen the length of just this thread alone.

I apologize, most sincerely CLE, if I misjudged you. I just get so sick of the CTers coming in and saying "It was an Inside Job", without a shread of real evidence to back it up, that i guess I jumped all over you prematurely.

If you want to watch another good video where a CT guy tries (bold it) to match wits with a skeptic, even limitedly, check out this link

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5614033367621190011&q=hardfire+9-11

 

[Gravy]

It tells me I don't have permission to access the page. Damn, I had a good one, too!

You may need 50 posts before you can post images. email it to me at [email protected] and I'll post it for you.

 

[Senor_Pointy]

You may need 50 posts before you can post images. email it to me at [email protected] and I'll post it for you.

Done. Thanks!

 

[milesalpha]

And what about that? Isn't that the long awaited expert who is very surprised that the Towers collapsed? Totally ignored (an example - i am not convinced of CD, remember?).

I generally stay out of this debate, simply too annoying for an aging guy with blood pressure problems but I must ask. How much can they comment on a brief newspaper story? The experiment appears to have been conducted 3 days ago (or so). Not exactly enough time to even interpret the data, let alone publish it, and subsquently critique it. Totally ignored? You referenced a post that mentioned it in this forum, that message was a headsup to watch for the program. The article even mentions that the program is due in upcoming months. The scholar involved doesn't seem to mention CD at all, only you do.
Jumping the gun a bit aren't you?

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

I am sure that everyone who answered to my pic (except T.A.M.) read the most of my postings. You know what my stand on Loose Change is and you know that i don't believe in CD. The reason why i "mirrored" shrinkers pic is because i am beginning to lose respect for you. You (some of you) use the same tactics you accuse the "Truth Movement" of. Nick, please tell me your opinion on shrinkers pic. Is this really excellent? True? Or what. Arkan Wolfshade's thread on how "neo-nazis drive the truth movement"? Hm? Laughable.

Please. The "truth" movement began sometime on the morning of September 11th, 2001 when some toothless inbred in a trailer with a rebel battle flag over the plywood covering the broken window and eye-holes cut into his white bedsheet turned on the TV and said to himself; "I bet them damned joos are behind this".

The nazis are all on your side, pick another side if you don't like it.

And what about that? Isn't that the long awaited expert who is very surprised that the Towers collapsed? Totally ignored (an example - i am not convinced of CD, remember?).

I fail to see how one room burning in a "tower" (if you can call it that) less than a quarter the height of the WTC is going to tell us how the twin towers came down.

Oh my. You really don't get it. What would you think if - lets say - Alex Jones, Dylan Avery and Ray McGovern get killed? That's not the way control works these days. Hm - i'm thinking about opening a new thread for that - later. I'm off for now.

If a "truth" seeker slept with Mike Friends-romans-countrymen-lend-me-your-ears Tysons girlfriend in front of Tyson himself and 10,000 witnesses, the other "truth" seekers would still claim he was killed for the truth.

The MIBs would undoubtedly know this and therefore would never kill him if they had half a brain. I've always said that they would instead plant either drugs or child porn in his house.

"9-11 Conspiracy nut found with huge pile of dope, suprises no-one" as a newspaper headline would be nearly as classic as "Watching this video is like being bukkaked with stupid".

 

[gumboot]

That's me, leaning over Geronimo's skull.

Haha, Gravy took that pic so he's not in it!

If you zoom in on the clock face and "enhance" it you can see his reflection on the metal of the clock arms. He took the photo with a Leicaflex camera, it reads as a 50mm lens.

Hard to read the f-stop because of the angle, but upon enhancement it looks to be at f-5.6.



-Andrew

 

[Gravy]

Senor Pointy's Pic

 

[Pardalis]

Senor Pointy's Pic

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That's why I love JREF!

 

[Gravy]

If you zoom in on the clock face and "enhance" it you can see his reflection on the metal of the clock arms. He took the photo with a Leicaflex camera, it reads as a 50mm lens.

Hard to read the f-stop because of the angle, but upon enhancement it looks to be at f-5.6.

I didn't know you were the head writer for CSI!

 

[Childlike Empress]

I generally stay out of this debate, simply too annoying for an aging guy with blood pressure problems but I must ask. How much can they comment on a brief newspaper story? The experiment appears to have been conducted 3 days ago (or so). Not exactly enough time to even interpret the data, let alone publish it, and subsquently critique it. Totally ignored? You referenced a post that mentioned it in this forum, that message was a headsup to watch for the program. The article even mentions that the program is due in upcoming months. The scholar involved doesn't seem to mention CD at all, only you do.
Jumping the gun a bit aren't you?

Come on. They jump on every single bit of information that contradicts the alternative "CT". They google, mail, phone, what have you. Research. In this case there was SILENCE. Isn't it interesting what led Mr. Torero to do this statements?

Prof Torero said he believed the World Trade Centre in New York should have "withstood burnout" after it was hit. [...]

Prof Torero said: "It didn't even cross my mind the buildings would collapse.

"From my perspective, those buildings were designed to last structurally for between three to four hours, enough time to get everyone out who had survived".

I know that he says nothing about CD, that's why i wrote "is very surprised that the buildings collapsed", but i had expected that at least his credibility was questioned by the gang.

Have you seen the length of just this thread alone.

I apologize, most sincerely CLE, if I misjudged you. I just get so sick of the CTers coming in and saying "It was an Inside Job", without a shread of real evidence to back it up, that i guess I jumped all over you prematurely.

If you want to watch another good video where a CT guy tries (bold it) to match wits with a skeptic, even limitedly, check out this link

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5614033367621190011&q=hardfire+9-11

Nice to meet you, T.A.M. You havn't really misjudged me - i believe that 911 was an "Inside Job" whatever the details were, but that doesn't mean that i believe everything that is said by members of the "Truth Movement".

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[Pardalis]

i believe that 911 was an "Inside Job" whatever the details were,

Again Childlike, please provide your evidence.

 

[T.A.M.]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8717148042035173685&q=john+conner

This just cracks me up...for its insanity.

Ya man, to the resistance....lol

 

[milesalpha]

Come on. They jump on every single bit of information that contradicts the alternative "CT". They google, mail, phone, what have you. Research. In this case there was SILENCE. Isn't it interesting what led Mr. Torero to do this statements?


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Example?

His reason was fire safety, clearly stated at the end of the article. Not once does he allude to any other possible cause for the collapse, it simply seems to have ocurred too quickly for him (Titanic?). He gives no indication of what led him to these conclusions. No math to check (lovely, I hate math), no methodology to consider, there's little to say. Even this thick old historian understands that.

Unless... now the other side would be quick to jump on this since finally, they may (this seems pretty far from a sure thing for you), finally, have found, finally, one, (1) engineer who MIGHT support what they say. I can envision them posting it in a forum and finding tremendous meaning in it....hey is it too late to apply for the prize?

Which would be worse? Reserving comment, or wildly overestimating its value?

Hope you land him, one down, several hundred thousand to go.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

Come on. They jump on every single bit of information that contradicts the alternative "CT". They google, mail, phone, what have you. Research. In this case there was SILENCE. Isn't it interesting what led Mr. Torero to do this statements?

Prof Torero said he believed the World Trade Centre in New York should have "withstood burnout" after it was hit. [...]

Prof Torero said: "It didn't even cross my mind the buildings would collapse.

"From my perspective, those buildings were designed to last structurally for between three to four hours, enough time to get everyone out who had survived".

I know that he says nothing about CD, that's why i wrote "is very surprised that the buildings collapsed", but i had expected that at least his credibility was questioned by the gang.

I did not see that entry until you pointed it out. Now that you have...yawn. I have nothing to say in regard to the gentleman's credibility. However, based solely on info from the BBC link, his little bonfire experiment is rather sad.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Example? [...]

Which would be worse? Reserving comment, or wildly overestimating its value?

Yes, an example. Perhaps some people on both sides are not interested in the truth?

@Nick: His curriculum vitae.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

@Nick: His curriculum vitae.

Not a structural engineer then.

 

[karim]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8717148042035173685&q=john+conner

This just cracks me up...for its insanity.

Ya man, to the resistance....lol

Do you think that was a result of watching MTV Jackass and Loose Change in a row...

 

[Gravy]

Not a structural engineer then.

Very legitimate credentials, though. We're apparently being asked for a comment about him, but what is there to comment on? Just need to know what his objections are to the NIST report. The very brief mentions of his views about the WTC don't give any indication if he knows a lot or nothing about the investigations.

 

[Brainster]

I have CLE on "ignore," but I follow this enough to be able to say, "Oh, snap!"

That's a good one for the Troofers to ponder over the weekend. Come on, Troofers, name a Holocaust denier or quasi-Nazi who's prominent on the skeptic/myth debunker side of this issue.

What? You guys have ALL the Nazis?

Well, almost all.