Loose Change - Part III

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Anyone here a biochemist, microbiologist, or even a virologist? Does anyone on this thread have a bachelor's of science atleast? How come you guys speak on authority in matters which you have not been trained in?
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While I understand what this poster was trying to get at, in all fairness, I have a B.S., but it's in engineering and I know very little about biochemistry, microbiology, or virology. Not sure how many posters here have those kinds of degrees, and we have a much larger population than LC's forum.
 
Kent1 said:
Well I posted something....

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread217517/pg2
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Due to research and teaching commitments, I rarely have time to read and respond in the various forum discussions regarding 9/11.
In this case, I was invited to say something -- I will be brief.
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As far as I know, he isn't researching cold fusion any more. And teaching isn't exactly taking up all his time:

No teaching assignments for Summer term 2006
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http://www.physics.byu.edu/directory.aspx?personid=36

So that super nano-thermate sol gel must really be eating into his schedule.
 
Brainster said:
And yes, there is no way to tell whether what you're hearing on the tape is wind or explosions (or added after the fact). He did make an effort to adjust for the time delay though.
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Or someone touching the tripod. Or someone shutting car doors nearby. There's a good reason you don't use a camera mic for a film shoot - they're natoriously sensitive, and the slightest bump or movement is picked up.

Not to mention, if a camera so far away picks up these explosions, why do none of the myriad of footage shot directly under the towers catch it? It would be many times louder directly beneath the towers.

I would expect broken windows, perhaps even blown eardrums...

-Andrew
 
I was watching "Dateline" tonight and they were looking at the movie World Trade Center, interviewing Oliver Stone and the actual NYPD people involved. Maybe it was my bad hearing (I do have significant loss in one ear), but it sounded like Will Jimeno said there was an "armory" in WTC7. Seriously I may have misheard it. BTW all the two officers heard was rumbling when the Tower they were under collapsed, not explosions. They didn't even know the whole thing had collapsed until they were rescued, they thought it was just the floor above them.
 
CptColumbo said:
I was watching "Dateline" tonight and they were looking at the movie World Trade Center, interviewing Oliver Stone and the actual NYPD people involved. Maybe it was my bad hearing (I do have significant loss in one ear), but it sounded like Will Jimeno said there was an "armory" in WTC7. Seriously I may have misheard it. BTW all the two officers heard was rumbling when the Tower they were under collapsed, not explosions. They didn't even know the whole thing had collapsed until they were rescued, they thought it was just the floor above them.
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About the "Armory." Any building with intelligence and law enforcement offices will have gun lockers. AFAIK there was no big ordnance there.
 
WTC 7 - Armoury

IIRC - Secret Service had offices in building including armoury. Also NY City
OEM had HQ on 23th floor which included backup diesel power generators
feed from storage tanks onsite, small "day" of about 250 gal was inside
building to run generators, while main fuel storage was outside. Other
tenants (Saloman/Smith Barney) also had backup generators with fuel
storage. One of the theories is that leaking fuel from diesel generators helped
fuel the fires in building which triggered structural collapse.
 
gumboot said:
Or someone touching the tripod. Or someone shutting car doors nearby. There's a good reason you don't use a camera mic for a film shoot - they're natoriously sensitive, and the slightest bump or movement is picked up.

Not to mention, if a camera so far away picks up these explosions, why do none of the myriad of footage shot directly under the towers catch it? It would be many times louder directly beneath the towers.

I would expect broken windows, perhaps even blown eardrums...

-Andrew
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Bless you says the soundman!

The equipment doesn't run itself and when it does, expect automatic gain control to be working in all the wrong directions.
 
Anyone here a biochemist, microbiologist, or even a virologist? Does anyone on this thread have a bachelor's of science atleast? How come you guys speak on authority in matters which you have not been trained in?
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Well I'm studying to be a medical laboratory technician.:)

I watched the film and It basically was interesting theory, I just wonder why do all these CT films have to have Hitler and global conspiracy mentioned in them?

I can make one point about the evidence they present. This film was made in 1996 and as one piece of evidence they state that HIV does not cause AIDS because there are millions of people with HIV that do not develop AIDS. They forget to mention when and with exactly what test method this result was produced. Was this result reached in the 80' only by ELISA method that detects the antibodies to the HIV? or was confirmatory test performed with the more specific Westerd Blot method that is similar to ELISA but electroforesis is used to separate the components by molecular weight.
In the film they them selves admit that the test methods produce high quantity of false positives. Especially the old tests that would react to a number of antibodies that have nothing to do with HIV.

Someone is HIV positive when the ELISA and the confirmatory test such as Western Blot are positive. Nowadays the tests are much more reliable in detecting the specific HIV antibodies than ten or twenty years ago.


If there's any doctors or someone who knows better please correct me or add more information.


salam

edited to correct spelling
 
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Arkan_Wolfshade said:
A person claiming to be Kevin Barrett nw posting there, http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=13085#13085
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Ah, now we see what the O'Reilly death threat amounts to:

On his July 11th Fox program, Bill O'Reilly said that at the University of Wisconsin, where Kevin Barrett will be allowed to teach in fall, "there are no standards. . . . I'm stunned." He approvingly stated that at his own alma mater, Boston University, "The Chancellor there, John Silber, would have--would have--this guy'd be in the Charles River floating down, you know, toward the harbor."
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About the typical level of discourse from Blowhard Bill, but not much of a threat.
 
Brainster said:
Ah, now we see what the O'Reilly death threat amounts to:

About the typical level of discourse from Blowhard Bill, but not much of a threat.
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And again I am stunned at the level of discourse apparently acceptable in the US.

This is violent language, and is promoting such violence, even if undirectly. It's in the same category as Fetzer's statement to which I objected before leaving SfT, namely: "the perfidy is so great here that in the days of Aeschylus rioting crowds would have lifted the perpetrators from their beds and ripped them to shreds" or something to that effect (see the Chronicle article "professors of paranoia").

I suppose that's what living in a violent culture does to you. Ugh.
 
brumsen said:
And again I am stunned at the level of discourse apparently acceptable in the US.

This is violent language, and is promoting such violence, even if undirectly. It's in the same category as Fetzer's statement to which I objected before leaving SfT, namely: "the perfidy is so great here that in the days of Aeschylus rioting crowds would have lifted the perpetrators from their beds and ripped them to shreds" or something to that effect (see the Chronicle article "professors of paranoia").

I suppose that's what living in a violent culture does to you. Ugh.
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Here's his quote:

His voice was building. "Listen to me," he said. "The degree of perfidy involved here is so great, that in the time of Aeschylus, Sophocles, and Euripides, frenzied mobs would have dragged these men out of their beds in the middle of the night and ripped them to shreds!"
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As I commented at the time, hearing a professor pining for the days of mob rule was quite surprising.
 
Brainster said:
As I commented at the time, hearing a professor pining for the days of mob rule was quite surprising.
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The same "mobs" put Socrates to death, so they weren't always spot on with their decision making either... :p

-Andrew
 
Looks like the Loosers are going to be at it again.

Movie World Trade Center will be another great opportunity to flyer at the theaters, much as we did for United 93. Hand out flyers, DVDs, whatever, spread the truth! Mark your calendars - August 9th. A full month of flyering leading up to the anniversary is sure to raise awareness. Now go do it!
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If they get a forum going we will do what we did to the message board of UNITED 93........until they shut it down.

Anybody see that message board? 9-1 Truth to Absurdity! Awesome
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http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=8542
 
brumsen said:
And again I am stunned at the level of discourse apparently acceptable in the US.

This is violent language, and is promoting such violence, even if undirectly. It's in the same category as Fetzer's statement to which I objected before leaving SfT, namely: "the perfidy is so great here that in the days of Aeschylus rioting crowds would have lifted the perpetrators from their beds and ripped them to shreds" or something to that effect (see the Chronicle article "professors of paranoia").

I suppose that's what living in a violent culture does to you. Ugh.
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"Acceptable" is a difficult word here. O'Reilly's speech is legal, therefore I have no choice but to "accept" it. He did not make a threat or incite violence against Barrett. People are free to complain to O'Reilly or his bosses or the press. Do you think his speech should be banned?
 
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