Loose Change - Part III

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Does anyone happen to have that link of a collection of Alex Jones predictions that did not come true? It was posted in one of the 9/11 threads a day or two ago and I have searched all of them and can't find it.
 
kookbreaker said:
This is usually based on some very selective cherry picking from the NIST report. At one point, NIST tested the peeled paint on some of the columns that they were able to identify and were exposed to fire. This meant the columns were perimeter columns since the other had their paint burned off or blown off. In any case, the tests showed the perimeter columns reach about 200 degrees (C or F I cannot remember). This test was of importance to the NIST since it showed the it was not the perimeter columns that failed.
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Umm, I think the point of determining the maximum temperatures of identifiable perimeter column sections where such a determination was possible was to help validate the fire dynamics and fire-structure interface computer models.

The idea was that if the maximum temperatures predicted for a column in the same location as one which you could test after the fact were significantly higher than those determined by the physical analysis of recovered steel, it would prove that the modeling wasn't adequate. OTOH, if the model predictions jibed with what physical analysis showed, it would tend to support the accuracy and usefulness of the models.

They built cube farms, instrumented them and lit them on fire for much the same purpose- to validate the fire dynamics software against actual measurement.

What the CTers don't comprehend is that the relatively low temperatures those particular columns reached actually supports NIST's predictions of other structural members reaching much higher temperatures and indeed NIST's entire analysis of the probable collapse sequence.
 
Class said:
Does anyone happen to have that link of a collection of Alex Jones predictions that did not come true? It was posted in one of the 9/11 threads a day or two ago and I have searched all of them and can't find it.
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"There is going to be more.
This is only the kick-off."

--Alex Jones, Infowars, Sept. 13, 2001

"Within 2 years I'm predicting...that you're going to see a suitcase nuke in this country. You're probably going to see a release in a few years of something communicable. & I am predicting that you will see a lot of conventional bombings...in the next year or so."
--Alex Jones, Infowars (10/18/01)

"Suitcase nukes are a virtual certainty."
--Alex Jones, Infowars (5/16/02)

They're preparing for new terrorist attacks that are much larger.
& they're planning to bring in foreign armies."
--Alex Jones, Infowars, 7/11/02

"They're really setting us up for a smallpox attack...
It's not a question of if & when it's gonna happen."
--Alex Jones, Infowars, 9/26/02

taken from perrylogan.org

Perry also has a "What Alex Jones believes" page that is hilarious(and quite possibly true)
 
kookbreaker said:
That's a good book. Jones gets off light compared to Pons and Fleischmann, but he still gets pretty lambasted for his antics.
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I was going by a local library today and just happened to find a copy of that book. Rather interesting, there are a lot of parallels between his fervor for cold fusion and 9/11 theories.
 
JamesB said:
I was going by a local library today and just happened to find a copy of that book. Rather interesting, there are a lot of parallels between his fervor for cold fusion and 9/11 theories.
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Heheh, great minds run in the same channels, eh? I picked up the book at my local library this morning!

I'll let you handle Dr Jones. :rolleyes:
 
Ugh, I am out of the British forum. Really childish bunch. It is hilarious that they expect more evidence out of Gravy than they ever demand from Jones, but not surprising.
 
milesalpha said:
Ugh, I am out of the British forum. Really childish bunch. It is hilarious that they expect more evidence out of Gravy than they ever demand from Jones, but not surprising.
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I suppose I should mosey over there. I said I'd return today. At least some of them looked into a few debunking websites and read some of my docs. They don't seem to have had much exposure to critical thinkers, so I'm glad a few of us went there.
 
Gravy said:
I suppose I should mosey over there. I said I'd return today. At least some of them looked into a few debunking websites and read some of my docs. They don't seem to have had much exposure to critical thinkers, so I'm glad a few of us went there.
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Take a couch with you, last I read they were trying to analyze our psychological motives for posting there.
 
Apollyon said:
Keep in mind that the insurers and Silverstein are in on the plot together.
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I just had this vision for a films script:

INT. DARK SMOKE-FILLED ROOM - NIGHT

A dozen men in expensive suits sit around a mahogany table in expensive leather chairs, smoking cigars. One by one they speak as a young, attractive blonde records their remarks.

BUSH: I want to invade Iraq. Blast that cursed Saddam! Daddy would be so proud.

Bush slams his fist on the table.

ENRON: No, we should invade Afghanistan. It's well past time to build that natural-gas pipeline that has been made redundant by the opening of the Russian Grid to Caspian Sea states.

The Enron offers up a detailed map of Afghanistan with the pipeline running through a region marked "Unstable region that requires US governance"

An imposing figure in traditional Arab garb with a handsome oiled beard leans back in his chair.

SAUDIS: This is all well and good, but what is in it for us?

BUSH: Well duh, what about that 168 trillion in gold you have stacked up in New York.

The Saudi leans forward, his eyes intent.

SAUDI: Go on.

BUSH: Steal it. It's no use sitting there. Go steal it.

SAUDI: Hmmm...Steal my own gold. I like the way you think.

RUMSFIELD: But Sir, how can you possibly achieve all of this?

Bush smiles wickedly

BUSH: It's elementary, Dear Rummy. Stands Gentleman, I would like you all to meet Silverstein and his insurers.

A tall serious Joo steps into the light of the dim lamps. Behind him stands a short balding man - the WTC insurer. He lays a plan of the World Trade Centre across the table.

SILVERSTEIN: For years I have wanted to demolish these cursed buildings so I can rebuild at a staggering loss.

INSURER: Our plan was to be simple, but I think we can all find an accomodation here.

The men share wicked grins. Bush digs into his briefcase and draws out a folio with "Operation Destruct0r" on it.

BUSH: Okay, so this is the plan. First we get some drones...

FADE OUT.
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MarkyX said:
Good a link for this?
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MarkyX

I assume that this is directed at me. Unfortunately I don't have a specific link. The concept that if there are flames then the temperature is at least 800 C is received wisdom at the UK Building Research Establishment Fire Research Station, where I worked for fifteen years (until I retired last week). When I joined the FRS it was part of the UK scientific Civil Service.

Dave
 
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