Loose Change - Part III

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In early 1996, New York City Mayor Rudolph Guliani opend uo his capaign to privatize the trade center and many of its other assets by accusing the PA of hiding its artworks from the public. What business, the mayor asked-al beit rhetorically-did a port agency have amassing and collecting art in the first place ? And why was it spending public money decorating a real estate asset, that by rights, it should not own?


Devided we stand

Eric Darton



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Am I correct in my assumption that you are attempting to show a pattern of behavior from the Port Authority, and plan to show how it ties to 9/11?


Can't you see the connections already? The artwork that the PA was hording for themselves were previously known works by Divinci. Those painting clearly showed where the holy grail could be found. The PA, clearly a new branch of the Knight Templar, were protecting the grail. Giuliani, a member of Opus Die, knew he couldn't just steal the paintings, so he arranged the whole 9/11 attacks, with the help of the Illuminati and the Jews, as a cover for his elite team of ninja commandos. They stole the needed paintings while everyone was distracted by the hologram planes and the detonations of explosives that the Illuminati had planted 30 years ago.
 
I guess they analogize it to Nazi Germany, but that doesn't work...during and after the war, numerous participants in the Holocaust admitted their misdeeds and evils. Rudolf Hoess, commandant of Auschwitz, wrote his memoirs, revealing himself to be a cold, unemotional killer. Other Nazi bigwigs like Otto Ohlendorf and Erich von dem Bach-Zelewski testified as to their acts in postwar trials. Adolf Eichmann wrote his memoirs, which even said that Hitler gave the verbal order to Himmler to kill all the Jews. They knew it happened, and they provided the evidence for future generations of scholars to study. There is no such "evidence" to confirm the Loose Changer theories.

Plus, I don't think the Nazis ever HID the fact that they were out for blood in the first place.
 
OK, All jokes aside.

= means the math


As stores around them closed, Radio Row's businessed thinned, and nocturnal fires and break ins plagued the area, including several at east radio. Irving reported the incidents to the police, but the perpetrators were never caught. Ethel is certain that the PA was behind a campaign to harrass the hold outs into leaving rapidly. "In the end," she say, "we were pushed out by the goons," because he chose not to relocate, irving recieved no compensation from the Port Authority when East Radio closed its doors.

Divided We Stand / A biiography of new York's World Trade Center
By Eric Darton


= means "landgrab"



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Hey... I can do that too:

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Now they're saying that all the people who died on the airplanes didn't die, because nobody in their small community of perpetual undergraduates personally knows anyone who died on the flights.

I'm not good at the math, so I can't even understand all this stuff about "Terminal Velocity" and "Free Fall Speeds." I had the lowest grades in math in the history of New York's elite Stuyvesant High School, and my assistant principal's reaction to that was to try and ship me to Automotive High School on the belief that if a student was not the new Fermat, he was scum.

However, I may not know math, but I can understand the humanities. And I find such prattle disgusting, crass, and boorishly insensitive.

These folks did not die? Why are their relatives still in mourning and pain?

These folks did not die? So where are they? How were they rounded up and sorted out? Who did this? What were these people told? Were they taken to Babi Yar and shot? Were these flights and their passengers picked at random? How were their last phone calls faked?

And yes, I do know of someone who died on Flight 77...the wife of the Solicitor General of the United States...admittedly the friend of a friend, but that woman is that friend's boss in the Department of Justice. The government is this cavalier with its high-ranking officials and their families?

A central thread of these Loose Changers and all conspiracy theorists is that behind the government folks who sit at their desks and do their jobs is a fairly large army of harder government people, with neither emotions nor empathy, who obediently participate in all kinds of horrific and highly illegal acts at the behest of their supervisors, out of rote obedience, religious obeisance, or conspiratorial oath. Then these villains, having done their dirty work, remain silent forever.

I guess they analogize it to Nazi Germany, but that doesn't work...during and after the war, numerous participants in the Holocaust admitted their misdeeds and evils. Rudolf Hoess, commandant of Auschwitz, wrote his memoirs, revealing himself to be a cold, unemotional killer. Other Nazi bigwigs like Otto Ohlendorf and Erich von dem Bach-Zelewski testified as to their acts in postwar trials. Adolf Eichmann wrote his memoirs, which even said that Hitler gave the verbal order to Himmler to kill all the Jews. They knew it happened, and they provided the evidence for future generations of scholars to study. There is no such "evidence" to confirm the Loose Changer theories.

I think they actually see the world as a continuing James Bond movie, in which supervillains with armies of flunkies carefully and secretly arrange the world's destruction, to achieve their nefarious dreams, and only the lone all-knowing, handsome hero, battling his own leadership as well as the evil genius, can solve the mystery, and defeat the super-villain -- preferably in hand-to-hand combat amid his flaming headquarters -- and save humanity.

These guys see themselves as modern-day Byrons or Greek heroes, the sole defense of civilization against Blofeld and Goldfinger. They're not old enough to realize that James Bond is fiction, and so are most conspiracy theories.

The sheer waste of energy is incredible.

Nicely said.
 
About the best that can be said now is that Gravy's debunking is a good introduction to the concepts us anti-Truthers are trying to get across.

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Whoo boy. All that time and not much to show for it.

Looser: A-ha! We finally have our holy grail! The long-sought "debunking" of Gravy! Take *that*, Team JREF Ninja Wave!

JREF: Um, this debunking says Loose Change is factually wrong about most things, that Loose Change basically sucks, and that hopefully LC3 will "suck less". Most of the "debunking" consists of arguing (weakly) with Gravy's editorial commentary -- not his presentation of the facts.

Looser: Oh.

Looser: Hey man, we're just asking questions!
 
WTC politics

New York City's mayor RTudolph Guliani, who leaped at the agency's throat virtually the morning of his inauguration in january 1993. In contrast to the relatively measured tones of the two governors and their supernumeraries, Guliani's vehemence ratcheted higher in pitch as early in his administration he slashed city agencies and services in an attempt to avoid a multiy-million dollar budget gap. In early 1996, the mayors right hand man derided the PA as "the fattest sacred cow in America."


Devided We stand
Eric Darton


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Gravy, I have to be honest. DJLegacy utterly destroyed your Viewers Guide to Loose Change with his debunk. All of your "information" is debunked with hard-hitting facts that are not backed up by any sources (but I am sure he used some). He shows that you were completely wrong with rebuttals such as
["a three alarm fire broke out"] It was a 3-alarm fire, not a 12-alarm.
Really.
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Anyway, why would someone who insures a building want to destroy it?
Unbeliavable. Hello, insurance fraud?
Italics are Legacy's comments.

Sorry Gravy, your days as a government shill are over.
 
New York City's mayor RTudolph Guliani, who leaped at the agency's throat virtually the morning of his inauguration in january 1993. In contrast to the relatively measured tones of the two governors and their supernumeraries, Guliani's vehemence ratcheted higher in pitch as early in his administration he slashed city agencies and services in an attempt to avoid a multiy-million dollar budget gap. In early 1996, the mayors right hand man derided the PA as "the fattest sacred cow in America."


Devided We stand
Eric Darton


Sentinel

Eric Darton needs to learn how to spell.
 
I just loved Jason Bermas on the "extra footage" on LC2E (my, aren't we special - "extra footage"! , going on about what countries Hitler invaded and he couldn't come up with a second one.
That part cracked me up too. "Hitler invaded two countries, Poland.... and... that other one.... I can't remember it right now".

Wow, and this guy is their researcher.
 
Does anyone else find it silly that someone would kill nearly 3,000 people for insurance fraud money? There are easier ways to make money that don't involve global coverups. Ask Amway.
 
Does anyone else find it silly that someone would kill nearly 3,000 people for insurance fraud money? There are easier ways to make money that don't involve global coverups. Ask Amway.
And I'm sure it doesn't cost all that much to douse a small building with gasoline and light it up, but getting a hold of two jumbo jets and wiring three enormous buildings with explosives etc. strikes me as a bit cost prohibitive. Then you've got to factor in lost revenue from leases until you can rebuild, as well as rebuilding costs themselves (add in extra costs for higher safety measures), plus increased insurance premiums and legal costs dealing with all of the above. It's just a guess, but I don't think Silverstein made any money whatsoever in this con.

edit: I haven't even mentioned the high cost of "risk tax" associated with having to hire people to perform extremely dangerous and illegal activities for you.
 
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WTC politics NY/NJ

"The immediate aim of Guliani's attack was to pressure the PA into paying $400million in rents he contested the agency owed the cityon Laguardia and Kennedy airports. this sum constitutued a significant fraction of the city's projected $2 billion shortfall. But Guliani's wider grievance was directed against what he saw as the agency's skewed alocations in favor of New Jersey. Repeatedly, embarrassed city and state officials of varying political stripes decried the "third world" conditions at Kennedy and Laguardia-in contrast to the sleek terminals and monorail systems at Newark. And Mark Green, the city's left leaning public advocate, who generally found little common cause with the mayor, denounced the Port Authority as "a giant transfer machine that forces New York to cross-subsidize New Jersey's economic developement and low taxes."


"The work of Authorities is carrtied out in the name of the public. Yet the deliberations of an authoriy's executive board and committees remain screened from the publics oversite, as do the details of its finances, which frequently generate a bonanza of private capital flows. This tendancy holds true whether the authority's projects are the sorts of briodges, highways, and tunnel constructions recommended by the patrician visionaries of the Regional Plan Association, or the building of a World trade center, largely at the behest of the city's most influential banker (David Rockefeller) and his brother, the state governor (Nelson Rockeffeller)"


"The financial beauty of a public corporation like the Port Authority is that it capitalizes its projects through the sale of bonds. This allows for enormous public investments that do not directly raise taxes, since the dept an authority incures never appears on the state budget balance sheet. The state, however, is obligated to pick up the tab in the event of a default, making taxpayers potentially liable for projects they never had ab oppurtunity to examine,much less vote for. Thus the public unwittngly collaterizes authority projects. At the same time, it pays directly-through tolls and fees-the interest on bonds the authority may reissue ad infintum."




Divided We Stand
Eric Darton



Sentinel
 
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