Loose Change - Part II

[Shrinker]

But yours is so hillarious!

I know, but every time someone says it I get a little more guilty about having found it on a random website...

 

[Pardalis]

Now they are demanding a "full and comprehensive inquiry". Seems they didn't get the first one...

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5091&st=330

 

[Regnad Kcin]

Quotes from the the LC thread, in blue:

I believe...

1. The ironic posts of Dylan doing something 'illegal'
2. People crying '2 wrong dont make a right'

Should be banned on sight. I cant take this kumbaya **** while we slowly move into a NWO type plan.

so...censoring is your answer to this n.w.o.? seems like fascism is trying to stop fascism...

NEAT.

wasting time on people like notingsoc should stop now and they should just be banned. The "OMG YOUR CENSORING US WAAHHHHHH!" card is old. They are trying to set an example to the truth movement with this. IMO we shouldn't be wasting our time on people like him and should be focusing on the issues at hand. The time for skeptics being here to keep us on our toes is over.

Yes, im all for cencoring people who take our tedious flaws in our truth movement and redirect them back at us like it is a huge deal.

Do they have secret handshakes to get in their clubhouse? And passwords? Passwords are cool.

 

[joseph k.]

Ruppert was big a few years back, but most of his work was wiped out by blogger Bill Herbert.

This site was one of the first large 9/11 debunking sites.
http://mckinneysucks.blogspot.com/

Thanks!

 

[sophia8]

I see that the LC batbrains are now saying that the Naudet brothers were "in" on the conspiracy. Funny how that never occurred to them until the Naudets sicced the lawyers onto Avery.
And from what I can remember, the brother who filmed the first plane hitting only got the shot by sheer fluke - he was out with a fireman checking a gas leak and they just happened to be in the right spot at the right moment. Which means that the fireman had to be in on the conspiracy as well.
And, just imagine for a few moments that there was a neevil gubmint conspiracy to blow up the WTC, and that the Naudets were part of it. Just think of the conversation they might have had when things started to go:
"Hey bro, this conspiracy is really going! Those neevil gubmint bastards are murdering thousands of people in cold blood! And they're going to cover it all up afterwards, by any means possible!"
"Sacre blue, bro, you are so right! So lets run straight into this massif burning building that's wired with explosives and primed to collapse! Go-go-go!"

 

[sophia8]

Dammed double post....

 

[kookbreaker]

Quotes from the the LC thread, in blue:

Do they have secret handshakes to get in their clubhouse? And passwords? Passwords are cool.

To paraphrase William Poundstone: There is a pervasive something not quite adult in the CT forum.

 

[Pardalis]

I see that the LC batbrains are now saying that the Naudet brothers were "in" on the conspiracy. Funny how that never occurred to them until the Naudets sicced the lawyers onto Avery.
And from what I can remember, the brother who filmed the first plane hitting only got the shot by sheer fluke - he was out with a fireman checking a gas leak and they just happened to be in the right spot at the right moment. Which means that the fireman had to be in on the conspiracy as well.

Or maybe the gas leak was preplanned...

The whole city was rigged!

 

[Regnad Kcin]

I see that the LC batbrains are now saying that the Naudet brothers were "in" on the conspiracy. Funny how that never occurred to them until the Naudets sicced the lawyers onto Avery.
And from what I can remember, the brother who filmed the first plane hitting only got the shot by sheer fluke - he was out with a fireman checking a gas leak and they just happened to be in the right spot at the right moment. Which means that the fireman had to be in on the conspiracy as well...

They're way ahead of you, friend:

I want to emphasise that this essay does not claim to be able to prove who was responsible for 9/11. The point of the exercise is to establish that the Naudet film must have been staged by people who knew about the attacks in advance: who those people might be is a different subject. I have my own ideas on that, but they have little or nothing to do with the Naudet film, other than observing that it seems rather unlikely that two French infidels would be working for a Muslim fundamentalist group -or that that group could penetrate and subvert the Fire Department of New York, which at some level seems to have been involved in the planning of 9/11 — and the Naudet film.

(Thanks to dephi ote for the link.)

(Ahh! I'm using links now like geggy! Ahhhh!)

 

[Pardalis]

(Ahh! I'm using links now like geggy! Ahhhh!)

At least you post them to emphasise a point.

 

[60hzxtl]

I cant help but being reminded of a former collegue of mine, whom shipped of one of these nice little informercials, his first, (We had a contract with Århus County) to be aired WITHOUT waiting for the "all clear" on the music.

Ever notice that there's never enough money to do it right, but there's always enough to do it again.

I'm worried about you Fire - You come in with a header of Unimpressed Female, and then on my post (in the 30's) you do this????

I swear, I could KISS you right now! So pucker up!

But I liked it, I liked it! (did I come close to impressing you?)


What a great Dane you are! - I wonder will I have to switch to 50hz xtl just to sync up?

(Sure hope you get that reference, Ms. editor or she's gonna get the bat after me!)

 

[brodski]

Or maybe the gas leak was preplanned...

The whole city was rigged!

Did you know that it is a PROVEN FACT that the government arranged for a HIGHLY EXPLOSIVE GAS to be pumped THROUGHOUT NYC? and some of those pipes went RIGHT PAST the WTC?

 

[The_Fire]

50 hrz.....XTL.....YOU SCALY COYOTE! *Grabs the tomcat basher*

 

[60hzxtl]

50 hrz.....XTL.....YOU SCALY COYOTE! *Grabs the tomcat basher*

Careful where you swing that thing, or you'll smash my Nagra!

 

[XXX]

I see the LCer's are still going on in their paranoid rantings. I posted a link to that whole "The Naudet film was staged thing" back on page 13, I KNEW that they would play that card. Of all the things I have read in my research, even the whole "blue screen" idea, I don't think I have read a more paranoid ranting than that one!

Originally Posted by Dylan :Loose Change Final Cut will be 100% legal and trust me, it's going to blow the 9/11 movement out of the water.

Once again, a slight mis-statement from the truth community...let me see if I can correct it for accuracy...

Originally Posted by Dylan :Loose Change Final Cut will be 100% legal and trust me, it's going to blow.

Some of my other favorite responses to Blinker's post...

"Dylan is the bad guy?...but all the Naudets have done is try to profit off of a national tragety." Oh god. Every damn 9/11 conspiracy site out there has a link to paypal or a DVD/book you can buy. Pot...kettle...black...you know the line.

"It is a planned attack to try to destroy the #1 resource for Truth Information." If LC is the #1 resource for "truth" infomation, we don't have much to worry about.

"You have no right to come here and throw accusations around. Period." Yea, and you guys are only accusing how many people of mass murder while taking the blame off the people who did it?!

"There are hundreds of 9/11 victim family members if not thousands, that are demanding answers for the government and not getting them. Dylan and the rest of the crew are trying to get the answers FOR THEM." Well, if they are demanding answers because of the inaccurate BS that you guys showed them in your movie, then that makes you responsible for feed them BS! Tell me honestly, which came first? Them demanding these answers, or you guys feeding them BS questions? And not every family that wants some answers believes in this conspiracy theory garbage.

I also love how anyone who asks that LC3 only contain the best evidence, stuff that is "irrifutable" is then attacked. Why?! Why not make a movie with only the very best evidence you have to give it the most credability possible? Oh yea, because it's almost all garbage, and to do that you'd be left with a very short movie indeed...

Can't wait to see this "debunking of gravy's debunking". I really hope it's better than the "debunking" of 9/11 myths.com they like to point to, because that was a really pathetic effort!

 

[karim]

Can't wait to see this "debunking of gravy's debunking". I really hope it's better than the "debunking" of 9/11 myths.com they like to point to, because that was a really pathetic effort!

For example a while back I mailed to ask where is this info in the "debunking" of 9/11 myths.com" from.

My Response:
His response is not true, for the reason that the Hijackers saw there
names
and photos on television and actually went to the American embassy in
Saudi
Arabia and told the authorities that they wanted there names and photos
taken off the FBI most wanted list.

This is the answer from Chris Morganti <[email protected]>:

I can't provide you with sources, to be honest I forget where I read it.
But it is admitted they went to the American embassy in Saudi Arabia and
complained.

It is admitted?

 

[Gravy]

For example a while back I mailed to ask where is this info in the "debunking" of 9/11 myths.com" from.
This is the answer from Chris Morganti <[email protected]>:
It is admitted?

Sounds good to me. "I forgot where I read it" is one of the most commonly-cited sources in the world, even more so than Wikipedia!

 

[XXX]

Nice job Karim.

There is actually some truth to that story, I'll have to dig up the exact details, but one of the people who has the same name as one of the accused was a pilot for a Saudi airliner, and he was assumed from that background to be the guy that they were talking about and his picture was pulled up and used alongside that name. It was a mistake, and one that was corrected very early on, but yes in his case he really did see his name and picture on TV and said "That's not me!" And they do have info on the guy who has the same name, the guy who actually was the hijacker. I've always been suprised at just how much legs these "The hijakers are still alive" stories have.

I've been reading some of these "Debunking of Gravy's debunnk threads". LOL. Not much of a debunking there so far. Just claims that it's full of lies and errors with little to back up their statements. The biggest statement that they seized on was on of the ones that caught my eye as well when I first went through it. The 95% of the plane has been recovered claim. The first thing I did was look for a link for verification of that claim, since I hadn't heard a specific number before, but I saw none. But then, when a guy in the LC thread on the topic actually does bring up 3 stories that directly say that 95% of the plane was recovered, no one address it other than "yea right, I don't believe it". Or requests for "proof" or pictures of all the wrekage, just another example of the standard they hold other evidence to that they don't use on their own. However, just for the record I would like to know exactly where you got that specific claim Gravy and I think you need to throw a link in to it in that section. Just my opinion.

What else are they left with? Oh the WTC7 report should have been done sooner than now. OK. What else? Some debate about what NORAD is and isn't responsible for protecting. OK, got it. Anything else? No, not really.

Does that sound like a total debunking to anyone?!

I do like stuff like this..."I just clicked into gravy's piece scrolled down and stopped at random to see if I could do to his debunk what he's done to LC2E." A few claims like this, to give the impression that the piece is so full of lies that any one part can be picked at random and destroyed with ease. An attempted to discredit the entire piece without actually doing it. Nice try guys.

Or the numerous claims that they would destroy this guide if ONLY they had the time...from the looks of that forum many of these people have nothing but time on their hands.

Or a lot of "I know the guide is garbage, but I'm still waiting for the debunking of that guide to be released". In other words, I know this must be false, but I don't know how or why, so I'm waiting for someone to release their own guide and tell me. Nothing stoping any of you from doing the research and putting together your own rebuttels guys. If it's so full of lies and can be easily taken apart, it should be no problem, right?

I'll be waiting to read these, whenever (or if) any of them come out.

 

[sleahead]

One Looser admits defeat

BEcause people were talking about it here, I read Gravy's piece on LC2. I tried to ignore the sarcasm and focus on the facts and look into the truth of them as much as possible. I have to say I was stunned at how much Dylan got wrong, and how much only takes a few minutes to check out. I know that making the video took a huge amount of effort, it's more than I could do. But I couldn't find a single example where Gravy said Dylan was wrong and Dylan turned out to be right. (I did find some examples where Gravy was wrong on his own, such as writing Paul O'Neill instead of John.)

So, a lot of people here say nasty things about Gravy, and maybe some are deserved. But I have yet to see ANYONE challenge him directly, and he INVITED people to do that. I think its common knowledge that he is banned here, so what's the use of calling him a liar here, where you're safe from having to defend yourselves? (I don't post there because I'm new to this and I don't feel I have enough knowlege.)

While another dreams on

Basic Overview of Gravy in one word, Hypocrite.
(Yes I am working on a Gravy Debunk Breakdown along with a couple other projects, so it's taking me a little time, Im sorry guys)

 

[kevin]

I guess. But making digital copies of other people's footage is easy. Odds are their editing software is pirated, but even if they bought it they'd only be dropping about $800 on it. Say $700 to get their hands on all the footage (and that's a pretty big damn estimate!) A decent microphone at $200 (again, gross overestimate.) Sound card at $200. Hard drive, $300 tops.

I can't even come up with half the expenses they're crying about.

I haven't watched the "movie" but my guess is the editing could be done with the free version of Avid's DV editing package.

http://www.avid.com/freedv/

or in iMovie on a Mac, but i don't see them as Mac users.