Loose Change - Part II

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delphi_ote said:
What a devastating response.

This court case is going to be so much fun. Maybe better than the Dover trials. :D

ETA Now THIS is classic.
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So is this (in a good way this time):

In the eyes of the law this movement is potentially a conspiracy to defame on a massive scale. Ironically, if you'd called it a 'Unfounded Speculation Movement' you might have been in the clear.
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'Unfounded Speculation Movement', lol, that's brilliant!
:D

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60hzxtl said:
Pizza

Sprite

Red Bull

Adds up pretty fast.
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I guess. But making digital copies of other people's footage is easy. Odds are their editing software is pirated, but even if they bought it they'd only be dropping about $800 on it. Say $700 to get their hands on all the footage (and that's a pretty big damn estimate!) A decent microphone at $200 (again, gross overestimate.) Sound card at $200. Hard drive, $300 tops.

I can't even come up with half the expenses they're crying about.
 
Gravy said:
I just wanted to say a big public Howdy-do to delphi and RandFan! You have been missed around here.

p.s. Does anyone else find it suspicious that they returned at the same time?
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Just as the Naudet letter became public...how convenient....


I missed you guys. Welcome back.
 
delphi_ote said:
I guess.
I can't even come up with half the expenses they're crying about.
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Wait till they see what other people's footage costs when they have to pay for it. It is sold by the second.

I once paid twice for an image of Woody Guthrie - once to the owner of the photograph, (Getty images, by way of Life Magazine) and paid a fee to the estate of Guthrie. I was happy to do it, and the irony was that I paid money to the estate of a man who didn't belive in private property.

With any luck the other owners of unpaid for footage will pile on, asking for their share, CNN, NBC, etc.

Its cheaper to ask first, then pay, than to be caught, and then pay. And saying, but I was giving it away rather than selling it doesn't work - that's MY stuff you were giving away, says th owner.

But 'like, hey, man Dylan' is an expert!
 
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This is from London Eye:

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5091&st=300

Why would the 9/11 C...Omission Report fail to include the unprecedented 36hour power down at the upper floors of WTC Tower 2 on the weekend before 9/11 (8/9 September 2001), when many "engineers" were witnessed in the building with spools of cable and boxes !!!
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Yeah, 36 hours to rig a 100+ stories high building with explosives. Not to mention that two other buidings had to be rigged as well with no power down... right.
 
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60hzxtl said:
This from the Losers:

I really don't think it's the time to be arguing guys. Regardless, Dylan already said he's wrong. He was unaware that this would happen. But the footage was used in many documentaries and presentations along with screenings by people who did not legally gain permission of use by the copyrighted material

Unaware that this would happen? Yet he's an expert on missiles? Controlled demolition? Explosives? Dead hijackers that turn up alive?

Master your own craft, first. You call yourself a film maker?

Bah!

Grampa's got some costumes in the barn, Lets put on a show kids!

'Like, hey, man Dylan' set out to make a fictional film. He never changed course. Now he's starring in it. Don't forget to get a release for yourself.

I can cut and paste the boilerplate for ya buddy - I've used it at NOVA, National Geographic, Discovery, Turner, and History Channel.
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I cant help but being reminded of a former collegue of mine, whom shipped of one of these nice little informercials, his first, (We had a contract with Århus County) to be aired WITHOUT waiting for the "all clear" on the music.:eek:
He hadn't even contacted Nordic Copyright Bureau to make sure he had the right to mechanical copy it (A must here in Denmark). :dig:
Turned out that the music were NOT cleared for that kind of use AND the swedish record compagny found out.
He, and the boss, ended up having to do an emergency pull AFTER the first airing AND sucking up (I'm telling you: MAJOR rectum kissing) to a swedish recordcompagny in the hopes of NOT having to pay approximately 3800 USD in fines:faint:.....
They succeded but THAT never happened again. AND I EVEN WARNED HIM! (NOT avery! I wouldn't help that creep if my life depended on it).

ETA: The informercial were approximately 40 seconds. And that was JUST music. I shudder to think about what the penalty would have been if it were as much AV-stuff as these loosers have highjacked.
 
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Pardalis said:
http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5091&st=180
I like this bit from Avery:



What an [rule8]! Not only is he trying to make us believe these are "honorable charities" he gave the money to, but he's also giving crucial information to the lawyers! How lame can a person get?

At least he could have donated this money to the families of the 9/11 victims!
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Saw that and guffawed. I can't post on the forum right now on account of I'm between computers and have no idea what my password is or the throwaway email address is I used to register.

But someone should tell Dylan that the word for money given to someone who flogs your product 24/7 is not "charity," it's "marketing."
 
delphi_ote said:
I guess. But making digital copies of other people's footage is easy. Odds are their editing software is pirated, but even if they bought it they'd only be dropping about $800 on it. Say $700 to get their hands on all the footage (and that's a pretty big damn estimate!) A decent microphone at $200 (again, gross overestimate.) Sound card at $200. Hard drive, $300 tops.

I can't even come up with half the expenses they're crying about.
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I bet they're including their distribution costs as well, and possibly "publicity" expenses as well, there are many, many ways to pad out expenses, especially if you're working with someone else's money, or just want to brag about how "professional" your film is. Claiming that it took "just" $5000 to make is a way of making two different statements, depending on the audience.
1) look what a big-shot 22 year old "guerrilla" filmmaker i am, I've got a 5 grand film under my belt,
whilst implying
2) Look what amazing results I can get with a tiny budget,

Remember that Dylan's primary reason for making the film in the first place was basically as a show reel piece to get into film school. I wouldn't be surprised if he put on his CV how much he had sunk (or persuaded others to sink) into his film.

I wonder if he'll mention this lawsuit on his applications to film school?
:D

That said, I wouldn't be surprised if the LTW crew just pulled the figure out of the same orifice that they get most of their information.
 
Pardalis said:
This is from London Eye:

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5091&st=300

Yeah, 36 hours to rig a 100+ stories high building with explosives. Not to mention that two other buidings had to be rigged as well with no power down... right.
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Not to mention that the so-called power down only has one source saying it happened (one Scott Forbes), the figures given don't add up to the work Forbes claims was being done, and many others in the CT crowd think its BS.

The problem a lot of folks have with the 911 comission is that they think it was written for their benefit. It wasn't. It was not trying to be the Warren Comission, it was trying to document the events leading up to that horrible day.
 
I just came across your post (seems I'm going backwards today):

Brainster said:
Dylan said in a recent interview:

"I would like to see George Bush walk out of office and into a jail cell. Or at least into a courtroom. I don't think he deserves a jail cell."

Of course, any sensible person would wonder, if Dylan really believed that President Bush killed 3,000 Americans to provide a pretext for war, why in the world would he not think he deserves a jail cell? And, no, he doesn't go on to say that Bush should receive a death sentence; he just wanders off onto the "I don't know what I think" garbage. Dylan's not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
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If Avery says Bush doesn't deserves a jail cell, so why would he walk out the office in the first place? Let me get this straight: according to Avery, Bush deserves to be put to justice (courtroom), but not jail (so he's innocent).

??????????

This guy (Avery) really makes no sense!
 
delphi_ote said:
I question how they spent 5k making this movie.
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Dylan probably counted the hours he put into it, rated himself an hourly wage, and put that as the figure. You might figure some website costs into it, but I think google covered most of that.
 
Regnad Kcin said:
I believe Blinker is also Shrinker, as seen in this forum.
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Great work Shrinker!

ETA: I bet he has the same avatar on both forums. For some reason I can't see avatars on the LC forum. What a shame...

ETA: If only it were also true for those annoying emoticons.
 
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Pardalis said:
Great work Shrinker!
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Thanks guys, I enjoyed typing that one, and reading the hopeless attempts to dismiss it.

ETA: I didn't think LC allowed avatars since I don't see them anywhere. I probably would have givne them a 'special' avatar though. Those guys are worth a bit of photoshop time.
 
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