Loose Change - Part II

[kookbreaker]

Heheheeh - because they were dissing JREF so badly over in ScrewLoose, I joined up!

They are good for something after all!

Hey! Welcome Obviousman!

 

[60hzxtl]

I love how they say it goes perfectly into their own footprint when not a single WTC (besides the rebuilt WTC7) is not standing today because of 9/11.

EDIT: Now they are accusing CDI, guys who have been doing buildings for decades and are literally the best in the world. This is funny. Every structual engineer knew the building was going to come down, but they were really surprised how long for the buildings to collapse because they were so well built.

Once again, because they have no scale or concept of the WTC, they were never there.

Manhattan is build cheek and jowl, 1880's buildings line up right next to skyscrapers, not much real estate is wasted in this town.

But the WTC, was built in a huge plaza, it was not even close to the sidewalk, except on West Street, by the river. That offset gave the illusion that they were not as big as they were until you were right on them. The plazas around them were kind of useless, too cold and windy in the winter to walk through, and too hot and unsheltered in the summer. Concerts held there were an acoustical nightmare.

Remember that when you see photos - you had to be quite a ways back to get the whole thing in.

Yet debris hit the Verizon Bldg, (to the North). The Deutsche Bank (Formerly Bankers Trust) to the South, Flattened a small Greek orthodox church (St. Nicholas ) built in a 19th century building even further south, The World Financial Center, (to the West.) To the East, things were not so bad, St. Paul's Chapel - an 18th century building - escaped with the loss of a single tree. Fell in the footprint? Not even if you were wearing snowshoes!

And WTC 7? Why no views south looking North? Because the FDNY needed that path to get in and out of #7, and knew that when it came down, it had only one place to go - # 7 was built close to other buildings. Vessey Street was also full of fallen WTC #1 pieces. And airplane parts. small ones. The ones the MIB fairies sprinkled around.

"Pull it" ??? Here's another clue kidz - the FDNY fights fires from the INSIDE. The fire department in your town probably fights them by squirting water from the outside. "Pull it"? Yeah, pull the guys who are inside out, because this building with the chunk out of it, the raging fire inside, and the buckling and groaning sounds, is not worth one more life, it's condemned anyway.


Context is everything in history. The scientists & engineers here can add to that.

 

[Gravy]

But that isn't the case. There were four planes and only two directly hit their targets.

Ha! Proof that you're the "other" Valis. Somebody, grab him!

 

[pgwenthold]

And both buildings (add one more in that number) fell down in the form of a PERFECT (world-class exampled) controlled demolition.

From that thread:
The collapse of the World Trade Center towers sent debris everywhere from the top of the building, as evident by this photograph.
achteeteepeeslashslash.thebiggestsecretpict.online.fr/nwo/wtc_collapse.jpg

The spread of debris caused millions of dollars in damage to all neighboring buildings, and even resulted the collapse of another building.

If the WTC collapses were indeed controlled demolition, it was downright sloppy work. I don't know how anyone can see it as being a 'perfect' controlled demolition (or a controlled demolition at all).

This stuff is SOOOOO Loose Change - Part I material, and was completely discredited back then.

The only resemblence between the falling of WTC 1 and 2 and a "controlled demolition" is that buildings fell down. Outside of that, the falling of the big WTC look nothing like any controlled demolition that has ever been carried out.

Dr Adequate posted a link that had something like 20 of the biggest CDs of all-time. Not a single one fell like the WTC towers. Even geggy admitted that it didn't look like a controlled demolition (of course, he took the next leap to conclude that it must have been a heretofore never used CD approach).

The best evidence that the WTC towers did not fall by controlled demolition is that they DON'T LOOK LIKE THEY DID!

WTC7 looks much more CD like, but that's because the building failure occurs over a much larger vertical range (proportionately, at least). However, the only video I have actually seen focuses mostly on the bottom half of the building, so you can't see the whole building at once. Moreover, that collapse has other problems of its own (it's a completely nonsensical CD if it was; requires the masterminds who planned the whole deal to be complete idiots)

 

[Gravy]

This stuff is SOOOOO Loose Change - Part I material, and was completely discredited back then.

You're forgetting that it was disguised to not look like a CD.

Oh, wait. That means it didn't look like a CD. But of course it did. So, I think it was disguised, but the disguise wasn't perfect, so it looks like a disguised CD. geggy told me so.

 

[Johnny Pixels]

But that isn't the case. There were four planes and only two directly hit their targets.

Finding a needle in a haystack is easy. Finding a piece of straw in a haystack is hard.

 

[Shrinker]

Remember that when you see photos - you had to be quite a ways back to get the whole thing in.

Good post 60thingy. If like me you never saw them in real life, this photo helps...

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=3926460&postcount=118

You might also want to browse the entire thread, there are some amazing photos of the site there. If you like tall buildings it might bring a tear to your eye...

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=56090&page=1&pp=20

(Catch it while you can, the hotlinks are slowly breaking)

 

[pgwenthold]

You're forgetting that it was disguised to not look like a CD.

Oh, wait. That means it didn't look like a CD. But of course it did. So, I think it was disguised, but the disguise wasn't perfect, so it looks like a disguised CD. geggy told me so.

As I said, the fact that it didn't look like CD means that it was a different kind of CD, unlike any CD ever done before.

That's what geggy said.

 

[60hzxtl]

Good post 60thingy. If like me you never saw them in real life, this photo helps...

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=3926460&postcount=118

You might also want to browse the entire thread, there are some amazing photos of the site there. If you like tall buildings it might bring a tear to your eye...

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=56090&page=1&pp=20

(Catch it while you can, the hotlinks are slowly breaking)

Thanks for the kind words, Note well that so many of the images there are taken from a distance - quite a few taken from New Jersey - just to get an idea of the scale.

This,

http://www.emporis.com/en/il/im/?id=155927

gives you an idea of the size of the plazas - and the space between buildings.

A long time ago I worked in WTC 1, on the 74th floor, North side. I could not have told you where the fire stairs were. (summer job, I had other things on my mind. . .)


Also if you were never there, you would not grasp the depth of the foundation of the building, going deep into the Path train station, many, many stories below. Much of the debris fell down, filling that void, and gives a false impression, of where did all the stuff go.

 

[JPK]

Finding a needle in a haystack is easy. Finding a piece of straw in a haystack is hard.

I think it was Sherlock Homes who said, "The best place to hide a needle is not in a haystack, but amongst other needles."
JPK

 

[CptColumbo]

You Canucks can keep Alanis and Young, but you have to take back Anne Murray, Paul Schaeffer, and Celine Dion. We keep Shatner, Kidder, Michael J. Fox, and a celebrity to be named later.

 

[Apollyon]

You Canucks can keep Alanis and Young, but you have to take back Anne Murray, Paul Schaeffer, and Celine Dion. We keep Shatner, Kidder, Michael J. Fox, and a celebrity to be named later.

As a bonus can we send them the Baldwin brothers, or at least Alec Baldwin? If it's only Alec they'll have to take Robert Altman as well though.

 

[bob_kark]

You Canucks can keep Alanis and Young, but you have to take back Anne Murray, Paul Schaeffer, and Celine Dion. We keep Shatner, Kidder, Michael J. Fox, and a celebrity to be named later.

Martin Short? He has his moments.

 

[delphi_ote]

Heheheeh - because they were dissing JREF so badly over in ScrewLoose, I joined up!

They are good for something after all!

Welcome, and thanks so much for coming over, Obviousman. This is a great community with some great people. Glad you could join us.

 

[bob_kark]

Martin Short? He has his moments.

Jim Carrey

 

[NobbyNobbs]

I'm afraid I struck a nerve with this post:


Perhaps I was a little condescending...oh, well. No givesies backsies.

That's ok...I decided to give them a lesson on probability.

 

[RandFan]

Heheheeh - because they were dissing JREF so badly over in ScrewLoose, I joined up!

They are good for something after all!

Welcome, and BTW, you are free to dissent here on any issue without getting banned.

 

[delphi_ote]

Jim Carrey

 

[bob_kark]

Remember, this is Canada we're talking about. The pickins are slim.

 

[Belz...]

Acually at the Loose Change forums they stay somewhat civil as opposed to other sites.....http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtopic=3108&st=13965 (Beware it can get super vile!!)

Ouch.

I notice these people now use "terrorist" to discredit opponents as they used to use "communist" back in the 60s.