Loose Change - Part II

[JPK]

I can edit it if you like.

Happy Birthday.

No need to edit and thanks for the B-day greetings.
JPK

 

[Johnny Pixels]

I think I may have already pointed this out to death, but just for the record, I have landed a proper Boeing 777 simulator. It really is not that hard to fly, it's even easier to crash into things. Once the plane is airbourne, the only controls you need to use are the stick, which is a giant thing in front of you, and the throttle, which is a giant thing to your left hand side. You can pretty much ignore the rudder pedals because you don't have to fly the plane smoothly or with any kind of balance. It honestly is no different to playing Microsoft flight simulator, which was the only "training" I had before I got to play in the real thing.

The hardest part of 9/11 would be the descending turn to the Pentagon, but only because the Pentagon is on the ground and harder to pick out than the WTC towers.

 

[MarkyX]

I have a hard time believing that the SO-CALLED TERRORIST who couldn't fly could have piloted a boeing 767 into a building twice. Thats like finding a needle in a haystack twice. Do you have any idea how hard it is to do that?

http://www.salon.com/tech/col/smith/2006/05/19/askthepilot186/index_np.html

A real pilot says YOU ARE WRONG

 

[aggle-rithm]

I think I may have already pointed this out to death, but just for the record, I have landed a proper Boeing 777 simulator. It really is not that hard to fly, it's even easier to crash into things. Once the plane is airbourne, the only controls you need to use are the stick, which is a giant thing in front of you, and the throttle, which is a giant thing to your left hand side. You can pretty much ignore the rudder pedals because you don't have to fly the plane smoothly or with any kind of balance. It honestly is no different to playing Microsoft flight simulator, which was the only "training" I had before I got to play in the real thing.

The hardest part of 9/11 would be the descending turn to the Pentagon, but only because the Pentagon is on the ground and harder to pick out than the WTC towers.

I think takeoff and landing are the really tricky parts. My wife got time in a flight simulator as a birthday present -- her father works for the FAA and pulled some strings.

She crashed the plane just trying to taxi into position. It's deceptively difficult.

 

[MarkyX]

I know plenty of muslims that go to strip clubs.

I know muslims who get LAID

that sounds so wrong

 

[MarkyX]

I guess thats why your country got flipped so easily.


Now our awol guys will be truned over much quicker,



Thanks canada




Sentinel

Unlike you guys (or spain and england), we actually caught our terrorists.

 

[Mr. Skinny]

Of course -
Ooops, forgot the sarcasm marquee and flashing lights

Sorry 60hz, didn't have my sarcasm hat on. Went back an re-read it. Now I get it. Doh!

 

[Johnny Pixels]

I think takeoff and landing are the really tricky parts. My wife got time in a flight simulator as a birthday present -- her father works for the FAA and pulled some strings.

She crashed the plane just trying to taxi into position. It's deceptively difficult.

I know a guy who works for a company that makes them. The one I played on was a couple of days away from being boxed up and shipped to Singapore. But the real fun part was walking past the top secret military projects I wasn't allowed to see, and were all surrounded by large boards. You could just see the top of the cockpits, and one was definitely a Harrier, and I would've killed for a go on that one.

The tricky parts of flying are the "transitional" phases. Switching the engines on would be a nightmare, I have no idea of where to start for the ignition sequence, driving to from the runway to the gate, because you can't see where the nose wheel is, getting airbourne, because if you pull up too early you stall, and end up running out of runway, landing, because the ground moves very quickly towards you at 180 mph.

Crashing into things is very easy and very much a case of pointing the nose where you want to hit, and opening the throttle. Many CTs seem to think this is difficult for some reason. You just avoid the green stuff below you, and don't worry too much about overstressing the aircraft, because you're going to destroy it anyway.

 

[Psiload]

Real muslims don't party in strip clubs and leave a mess of clues standing around.

Obviously you've never been to some of the more popular "gentleman's clubs" in Montreal.

Cripes... I've seen Amish dudes getting their freak on in those joints.

 

[dubfan]

Crashing into things is very easy and very much a case of pointing the nose where you want to hit, and opening the throttle. Many CTs seem to think this is difficult for some reason. You just avoid the green stuff below you, and don't worry too much about overstressing the aircraft, because you're going to destroy it anyway.

...not to mention I think most of the flight control laws built-in to the control systems will prevent that anyway, or at least unleash bitchin betty on you if you get too close to the edge of the envelope.

 

[aggle-rithm]

Obviously you've never been to some of the more popular "gentleman's clubs" in Montreal.

Cripes... I've seen Amish dudes getting their freak on in those joints.

<shudder!>

 

[aggle-rithm]

I'm afraid I struck a nerve with this post:

I'm glad you brought this up, because it's a topic we discuss over at JREF quite a bit. Why would someone WANT to believe in something that is unpleasant and for which there is no good evidence, such as evil spirits, eternal damnation, or convoluted conspiracy theories?

Actually, WANT is not a good word; a better one is NEED. They NEED to believe in something, even if it's something that's not all peaches and cream.

I can't read your mind, of course, but I would guess that the belief that the government is in total control -- for better or for worse -- is more palatable to you than the idea that a small group of people can wreak such havoc on such a large scale. It seems too random, too pointless. It lacks meaning and purpose, something we all crave.

To put it simply, when offered the choice between an evil, monolithic government with secret agendas, and a shadowy, unpredictable terrorist organization with bewilderingly puzzling motivations, you choose what you perceive as the lesser of two evils. As a bonus, you get to belong to a group with similar views, and all of you can get together and bitch about the government to your heart's content.

I understand this completely, and I won't condemn anyone for falling into this mode of thinking. It's very human of you. It's not for me, though.

Perhaps I was a little condescending...oh, well. No givesies backsies.

 

[rwguinn]

Originally Posted by Kiwiwriter :
We are all familiar with singers Glen Campbell, Celine Dion, and Anne Murray, which I believe are Canada's revenge against the United States for inflicting Jim Nabors on Canada. On the other hand, nobody seems to complain about Guy Lombardo.

I don't complain about Neil Young either!

Or about the Poppy Family

And one of the greatest singer/songwriters that the World has ever known, Canada gave us Gord Lightfoot, which almost makes up for Celinne Dion and the Poppy family...
"The Space Shuttle ends where the Subway begins...There are too many clues in this room."

 

[Mr. Skinny]

I think takeoff and landing are the really tricky parts. My wife got time in a flight simulator as a birthday present -- her father works for the FAA and pulled some strings.

She crashed the plane just trying to taxi into position. It's deceptively difficult.

I got to fly an F-16 simulator at work years ago. Taxied and took off fine. Got up to about 300 kts. and was shot down by a bogie that I never saw coming. Quite embarrasing.

 

[steve s]

Real muslims don't party in strip clubs

They do if they know they only have a few days left to live. That's like saying "Real priests don't molest kids." It happens.

Steve S.

 

[rwguinn]

Snip non-sequeters and strawmen


Since there are no pilots in this forum I understand your incapablility to answer the question on flying into buildings.



Heres another for the non-pilots....


What happens when you suddenly drop from 35.000ft while the air cabin is pressurized?


You skeptics kill me.


Sentinel

1. Why do you assume there are no pilots here? I was, until money ran out and family obligations interviened. Have taxied, take-off, flown, and landed single engine light aircraft and sailplanes, flown a DC-3, and have 20 minutes in a B-25. Flying is no problem. Landing is no real problem. Most people Solo within the first 15 hours. It doesn't take a lot of flight time to become a pilot.

2. Dropping from 35000 feet with the cabin pressureized? No problem cabin pressure is maintained at about 7000' MSL most of the time anyway. No big deal--There isn't that much volume, and the cabin structure will withstand a lot more pressure differential than you can imagine.

Why do I keep thinking "Box of Rocks" when I read these guys???

 

[steve s]

I just posted this over at the LC site in response to someone's comment that the Pennsylvania crash site looked like something out of a James Bond movie.

I wrote:
(Note: I posted the actual pictures over there. Because of copyright rules here, I just posted the links.)

I'd say it looks a helluva lot like these other crash sites. And would you take the time to point out to me where the outlines of the wings are. Or even the engines for that matter.

American Eagle Flight 4184, Roselawn Indiana, Oct. 31,94
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/48/Eagle_4184_crashsite.jpg

USAir Boeing 737 flight 427, Aliquippa, Pennsylvania Sept. 8th, 1994
http://www.sptimes.com/28-seconds/graphics-day1/impact.jpg

Bellview Airlines 737, Lagos Nigeria, Oct. 22. 1994
http://www.1001crash.com/latest/2005/Bellview_B737_im1.jpg

Turkish Airlines DC-10, Ermenonville, France, March 3, 1974
http://www.planecrashinfo.com/w740303.htm

Euro Asian Aviation, Baucau, East Timor, January 31, 2003
http://www.1001crash.com/latest/2003/EAA_IL76_im1.jpg

TANS Cerro Coloque, Peru, January 9, 2003
http://www.1001crash.com/latest/2003/TANS_F28_im2.jpg

Value Jet, Miami Floida, May 11, 1996
http://www.planecrashinfo.com/w960511.htm

Steve S.

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5618&st=120


Waiting for my inevitable bannishment.

Steve S

 

[tsig]

signing up

I just posted this over at the LC site in response to someone's comment that the Pennsylvania crash site looked like something out of a James Bond movie.

I wrote:
(Note: I posted the actual pictures over there. Because of copyright rules here, I just posted the links.)

Some of the links aren't going through. I'll try to find alternate pics.


Waiting for my inevitable bannishment.

Steve S

the whole LC thread seems ninja

I would like to sign up for the JREF nija wave.

belief is blind by definition.

can I be the tactician?

 

[steve s]

the whole LC thread seems ninja

I would like to sign up for the JREF nija wave.

Are you sure? The LC site is a world where even the laws of physics don't apply. Enter at your own risk.

Steve S.

 

[steve s]

I saw a documentary on the History Channel this evening about the construction of the Sears tower. They left out the part where the thermite and C4 were built into the structure.

Steve S.