Loose Change - Part II

[Gravy]

Oh boy, a fight! This'll be fun. I forget, though...are we the Sharks or the Jets?
I hope I remembered to bring my dancing shoes.....
Now that I think about it, there's an approrpiate quote that perfectly describes the CTers... "I'm depraved on account I'm deprived."

Sharks. Our women are hotter.

 

[scissorhands]

Hi folks,
I was banned from LC a while back,for no real reason, I thought Id have another sortee but cant even browse it.Ive deleted the cookie but that seems to make no difference.
Are they banning by ip?

 

[MikeW]

Hi folks,
I was banned from LC a while back,for no real reason, I thought Id have another sortee but cant even browse it.Ive deleted the cookie but that seems to make no difference.
Are they banning by ip?

You can get around IP banning by using an anonymous proxy. The Cloak (www dot the-cloak dot com) is effective enough, although they ration it to one session a day, so try to get all your forum browsing done in one go.

 

[chipmunk stew]

Daring patriot sticks it to the Man:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DB8rXgBC8Vc

9/11 was an inside job!!! 9/11 was an inside job!!! 9/11 was an inside job!!!

Can't you just see this guy in 40 years--gray beard, disheveled hair, smelly trenchcoat--hobbling along a city street, shouting to anyone who will listen:

9/11 was an inside job!!! 9/11 was an inside job!!! 9/11 was an inside job!!!

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Daring patriot sticks it to the Man:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DB8rXgBC8Vc


Can't you just see this guy in 40 years--gray beard, disheveled hair, smelly trenchcoat--hobbling along a city street, shouting to anyone who will listen:

Chucksheen had posted, linking to his video documentary claptrap, so I responded.

 

[chipmunk stew]

Damn it, Arkan! I wish I'd thought of using a Snake Eyes avatar. I'm jealous.

 

[chipmunk stew]

Daring patriot sticks it to the Man:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DB8rXgBC8Vc

Can't you just see this guy in 40 years--gray beard, disheveled hair, smelly trenchcoat--hobbling along a city street, shouting to anyone who will listen:

After reading this, it seems all the more likely:

You don't see the big picture yet, my friend. You see, I'm working on a plan so large, and so complex, that you may not be able to understand it. Ya see, I'm doing more than complaining in a forum. I'm pushing the envelope as far as it will go....You have no idea how many people i've pointed in the right direction....I'm going to get the world's attention...in a peaceful, yet demanding manor. Call me an idiot, thats fine. You have no idea what the Lord has commanded me to do. I'm an Agent of the Lord....and I see things crystal clear. I pray you come to also.

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=6035&view=findpost&p=5195188

edit: a great response:

Your large and complex plan somehow involves running back and forth while traffic is coming at you screaming something about 9/11? Please, show me the big picture and how this ties in.

Actually, don't bother. You completely lost all credibility with me when you called yourself an Agent of the Lord. Bush claims to be the same. So do the Jihadists. Hell, everyone seems to nowadays. So are you all working for the same God, or are you the only one that he tells to go running back and forth across the street?

I know he works in mysterious ways, but...erm, this is ridiculous.

 

[dubfan]

After reading this, it seems all the more likely:


http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=6035&view=findpost&p=5195188

And this, ladies & gentlemen, is how Lee Harvey Oswalds are made.

 

[rwguinn]

You are not an engineer. You don't drive a train you jerk.


The lack of honesty in this forum is enough to convince me Dylan Avery had it right all along.



Sorry, I *almost* kept a stright face through that.

Does an "N" gage layout in the garage count?
I analyze airpane structure for a living, too!

 

[bob_kark]

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=6093&st=0&#entry5250280

I know, I know, but I just had to ask:

i'm about as open minded as they come. but if you're going to present me with your belief. at least have some sort of evidence to support it. and some person holding a political position saying its so is not evidence.

honestly i wish i was so lucky to believe whatever the government and the powers that be tell me. really i do. cuz i'd be a hell of a lot happier. being burdened with the truth isnt something one should brag about. its in now way fun to know that something is going on while most everyone around you laughs and says you're crazy.

but as its been said before, it doesnt matter what you believe. its going to happen. the world will fall to its knees and it will not be because of some mystical occurance because of a prophecy. if anything its a self fulfilling prophecy.

when debating issues such as this, why take it personal? you have your beliefs and if someone says otherwise you act as if they punched you in the face. why? doesnt make sense to me. and i dont know about the rest of the people here, but i'm really not here to make anyone believe anything. i'm a part of this movement because i've known it to be true since before i saw the movie. i simply wanna get the info out there to everyone. some will believe it, some wont. i dont care, thats not my concern. its like that saying .. you can lead a horse to water but you cant make him drink.

i have sum crazy ass theories about a lotta different things. most dont take it seriously .. but i dont care, i have my reasons. its a shame that you felt the need to leave just because some people got under your skin. but anywayz ... good luck to ya

I'm sorry, but I'm a bit confused. You're as open minded as they come and your avatar is a picture of a swastika? I'm trying to wrap my brain around how it is possible to be a Neo-Nazi and open minded. Could you enlighten me?

 

[Kiwiwriter]

Nothing ever changes...

In other words, it's a vague threat by a bunch of lunatic community college drop-outs living in their parents' basements about the consequences of your ridicule once they've wrested control from a government they perceive to be a brutal totalitarian regime. If they ever put down the bowl of Captain Crunch long enough to change out of their pajamas, you might actually have something to fear.

ETA The more posts I read, the more it seems to me that about half the posters over there are projecting an overprotective relationship with their parents onto this government conspiracy.

When I read this, I was immediately reminded of the various Marxist parties of the 1930s (and today), and an incident described in Murray Bendiner's "Just Around the Corner: A Highly Selective History of the 30s."

He had a chapter called: "Politics of the Absurd," about the left-wing moements of the period, which highlighted how they fought more amongst themselves than against capitalism. They accused each other of being deviationists or revanchists or revisionists from the assorted party lines: Leninism, Trotskyism, Stalinism.

Bendiner's favorite line was when one group of 50 or so neo-Trotskyists split up with 100 or so other neo-Trotskyists, and one of them stood up and grimly shook his fist at a guy named Schachtman, saying, "Very well, Comrade Shachtman, we shall seize power without you!"

Another pair, Mr. and Mrs. Field, set up their little outfit, which got called the "Fieldites," and when they had a falling out with their group, found picketers in front of their house, carrying signs that read, "Mr. and Mrs. Field are no longer Fieldites."

This kind of stuff came out of massive arguments over jargon-ridden dialectic and how to apply it to what was really going on in America and the world. These debates consumed vast amounts of energy and ink in lengthy articles in their newspapers and magazines, but had no connection to reality, which rolled right along.

This is going to be the same thing in some ways...people who are completely irrelevant in the first place, wrapping themselves in mantels of immense power and importance, to cover up their utter lack of power and importance. Having been (for a while) the guy in the parents' basement (actually the attic for me), I can tell you, that life is hell. You create a vast sense of self-importance to cover for your lack of importance.

 

[60hzxtl]

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=6093&st=0&#entry5250280

I know, I know, but I just had to ask:

Bob same page over there:

"Peace.

I wish I knew if he has seen http://www.WKJO.com. I'm waiting for the 1st skeptic of the Who Killed John O'Neil film. "


The problem is that most of these "films" are unwatchable.

 

[bob_kark]

Bob same page over there:

Peace.

I wish I knew if he has seen http://www.WKJO.com. I'm waiting for the 1st skeptic of the Who Killed John O'Neil film.

The problem is that most of these "films" are unwatchable.

Yeah, that one in particular is like watching a 6 year old attempt to emulate Eraserhead. Most of the rest of them either have the most annoying voice for narration ever created or ramble on for hours... or both. I've sat through a few of them, but it was a special brand of torture.

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Damn it, Arkan! I wish I'd thought of using a Snake Eyes avatar. I'm jealous.

Yeah, except it took about 45 minutes of googling to find a decent one to use.

 

[Kiwiwriter]

I expected that would start happening...

Yes, there has been a noticeable walkback from Loose Change lately, even among the Loosers. The spin is "well, everybody knows there are errors in Loose Change...even Dylan admits that". Loose Change is now supposed to be something that just encourages you to "start asking questions". Even Roxdog, in his most recent posts, has been backing away from it.

The reaction by other CTs is a little more extreme, though, and some of them (like the guy you link to) are obviously not afraid of being more direct.

...Eventually, reality smacksyou in the teeth. Now these fellas, confronted with incontrovertible evidence against them, start backing away and tapdancing around their original claims.

I've seen it with other conspiracy nutters...you can tell when they admit, buried in their peroration, that they are "engaging in dangerous speculation." The other one is where they try to wave off their own failures and errors by saying, "Well, isn't it interesting that the authority is only now taking action to address my claims, which should have been addressed in the first place?"

Neo-Nazis are funnier, when caught...they hide behind the First Amendment. Instead of saying, "This is the utter truth, so don't stop the truth," they say, "The First Amendment gives me the right to utter whatever opinions I want, no matter how absurd or lying." One neo-Nazi tried to worm out of his more vicious statements and threats as being mere hyperbole to stir up his audience. David Irving said his was just reactions to attacks on him. And Glenn Miller said his garbage was just stuff a bunch of rednecks were saying when heavily drunk. Notice there's always an excuse...they don't really mean what they say. They want to be taken seriously, but not when they're being held accountable.

This, of course, opposed to CTers who simply dig in on their position and blame their nefarious enemies, when caught.

 

[Dragon]

I see that the poster Knaut has given a robust reply to LondonEye's little threat over on the Loose Change forum.

 

[furrod]

It IS fascinating to contemplate where these CTs might be, intellectually, in a year or two or three. Who will have dropped out of the movement in disgust,

It reminds me of my high school years. I was fascinated with the UFO phenomena and I devoured everything I could read about the subject (years before the internet). I could not understand why it was not taken more seriously among the press and general public, considering the mountain of evidence, and I grew increasingly disillusioned that I couldn’t generate more interest in the subject among the people I knew. I also recall enjoying a certain sense of secret superiority because of what I knew and most everyone else didn’t. Eventually I managed to absorb so much UFO info that I achieved what can only be described as an enlightened sense of awareness. In other words, I was buried by the BS. I ended up reevaluating everything I had read and I reluctantly had to admit to myself that the vast majority of it was bunk. It was all very disappointing, I crashed pretty hard and I ended up purging my library of most of the crap I had accumulated over the previous two - three years. I suspect that many of the 9/11 CTers are going through a similar phase in their lives.

 

[60hzxtl]

Yeah, that one in particular is like watching a 6 year old attempt to emulate Eraserhead. Most of the rest of them either have the most annoying voice for narration ever created or ramble on for hours... or both. I've sat through a few of them, but it was a special brand of torture.

Don't they make any short films?

Why are they always 60+ minutes, and include the Kitchen sink as part of the conspiracy?

 

[The_Fire]

Especially if they want it shown on tv....what's the timelimitformats in the US?

 

[bob_kark]

Don't they make any short films?

Why are they always 60+ minutes, and include the Kitchen sink as part of the conspiracy?

How else could they pointlessly ramble and repeat themselves?