Loose Change - Part II

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chipmunk stew said:
http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=2390&view=findpost&p=5169304

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[rule 8]ing [rule 8] [rule 8]s!
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They're still pulling this crap? They were doing this "Social Security Death Index" thing when I started here. Then it was "Todd Beamer never existed and his "wife" is an actress." Hasn't anyone bothered reading the FAQ that explains why so many people aren't in the index?

http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/ssdi/index.html#reasons


ETA: Wow! My grandparents aren't dead! I'll see you all later. I'm off to Cleveland.
 
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sleahead said:
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Yes, I believe this is correct. Zbu is also correct when he writes about the CTs desire to believe they are smarter than the average guy. When faced with a debunk, an alarming prospect hoves into the CT's view. The prospect is that not only are they not smarter than the average guy, they are, in fact, very stupid. So they get very angry and choose not to see the reality placed before them.
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Well, I have noticed that, while most people can and will admit that they are bad at this or that, whatever that may be, almost no one will ever admit to beign anything else than smart.

For some reason, intelligence is very different from other abilities in people's mind. Myself included. 'Tis a weird thing.
 
Not a bloody thing...

Belz... said:
HEY! What do you have against Star Trek ?
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...when it was good, it was very good. But when it was bad, it was frightful.

"Spock's Brain"
"The Way to Eden"
"The Apple"
"The Alternative Factor"
"The Lights of Zetar"
"For the World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky" :D
 
And Dynasty...

Pardalis said:
And Dynasty? :D
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Let's see...campy plots, horrid acting, Gerry Ford and Henry Kissinger in cameos, menopausal women in ridiculous costumes getting into vicious catfights over their adultery, Joan Collins past her expiration date, and Linda Evans having larger shoulder pads than the defensive line of the Pittsburgh Steelers.
 
The Brady Bunch

rwguinn said:
The Brady Bunch was Troof! We know this because
"The troof is often painful", y'know!
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And if they hadn't done those two movies as parodies of the series, the Bradys would have been unbearable.

Fortunately, Shelley Long and Gary Cole were perfect in those movies.
 
Absolutely...

Zbu said:
Plus it can also be seen as the difficulty some people have with separating reality from fantasy. Seriously, what is the motivation behind some of these people when they use their faulty reasoning for it? They want to be seen as people who know THE TRUTH and how this sets them above and beyond any normal people. Finding the 'truth' they seek has a dual purpose: it both exposes the fulility of the common government and/or massive group and 'elevates' the individual(s) who figure it out so they are seen as brighter, smarter, or generally more observant. This is why they always are condescending and insulting to skeptics. It's not that we're too stupid to understand, it's that we must be stupid in order for them to be elevated above us in some kind of faux elitism that comes off as being sad and pathetic. They try to baffle with bull and get upset when challenged because they link their self-worth to a flimsy fantasy that means too much to them. They want to be seen as the hero, the only one who truly knows, the one with the leather trenchcoat and the witty comebacks who can dodge all the machine gun's bullets and climb on walls, get the girl, save the universe, fix the economy and then make a killer dinner.

They probably believe too much in televised fantasy than actual reality. I would feel sorry for them if they weren't really messing about with people's emotions.
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Remember that in fiction, most of the time, the system is not the hero...the outcast, rebel, skeptic, lone warrior, or opponent is. There are very few novels, movies, or TV shows, where the government, bureaucracy, and so on are the heroes, and the villain is the creative individualist battling against it.

The only exception I know of is "The Caine Mutiny." The villain of the piece is NOT Captain Queeg. He's actually the victim. The villain is the sensitive novelist, Tom Keefer, who finds out (in the book more so than the movie) that he was wrong to manipulate people (Maryk and Willie Keith) to buck and fight the system. If Maryk had simply taken the ship to course 000 and said to Queeg something like, "We'll take care of this situation, sir. Don't worry," the ship would have been saved, and no mutiny.

But most fiction demonizes the system, and much of history also paints systems in bad light, with the caveat that the evil the system did was inevitably changed for the better...the American Revolution and the Civil Rights Era, for example. We combine this with, as I said, the cynicism toward our systems since Vietnam and Watergate, and we have an unhealthy situation where a 22-year-old film student with a penknife to grind is trusted more than a galaxy of Ph.Ds.
 
Let me get this straight....

Axiom_Blade said:
I really couldn't believe it when I first heard that the CT guys were accusing each other of being part of the conspiracy.
Where did this idea about "disinfo" come from? Has anybody actually tried this?
"OK, guys, I got the perfect idea to keep this conspiracy covered up. We'll reveal everything, but change a couple of key facts. That way, no one will ever figure it out!"

HUH?!?
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...So now the makers of "Loose Change" are part of the conspiracy, spewing disinformation to cover up the truth? :eek:

This is worse than a John Le Carre novel...or the life of James J. Angleton. It's nothing but a sea of personal hatreds, urban legends, greed, and paranoia. :boggled:
 
Anti-Semitism? That figures

CptColumbo said:
The anti-semitic stuff on the LC forum is just sickening me. I can't even post on those threads, because I would have to read them through first. I can't even joke about it. I didn't think I would find something on that site more offensive than the mocking of 9-11 victims, and once again they rose to the occasion.
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It's a short hop from saying the US government did 9/11 to saying that Mossad did 9/11 to saying that the Jewish bankers did 9/11 to saying that according to the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, the Jews rule the world, and Hitler is a misunderstood genius.

Is this what they're saying on Loose Change? I don't look there...I like to keep my lunch in my stomach. :covereyes
 
Kiwiwriter said:
...So now the makers of "Loose Change" are part of the conspiracy, spewing disinformation to cover up the truth? :eek:
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Oh yeah, been this way for a while. At least half of their time & energy is devoted to attempting to discover who's a disinfo agent and who's not. I posted this great diagram from Hufschmid's site a while back that maps it all out.

:D

Want to have some fun? Get a group of CTs together and ask, "so, did a 757 hit the Pentagon, or not?" You'll have charges of "disinformation!" flying so fast it'll make your head spin.
 
Kiwiwriter said:
...when it was good, it was very good. But when it was bad, it was frightful.

"Spock's Brain"
"The Way to Eden"
"The Apple"
"The Alternative Factor"
"The Lights of Zetar"
"For the World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky" :D
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That's true for a lot of shows.

Besides, I don't think the CTers grew up with the original show.

And at least "Spock's Brain" was funny. Side-splitting, in fact.
 
Kiwiwriter said:
...when it was good, it was very good. But when it was bad, it was frightful.

"Spock's Brain"
"The Way to Eden"
"The Apple"
"The Alternative Factor"
"The Lights of Zetar"
"For the World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky" :D
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All that and you didn't list 'The Empath'?
 
Kiwiwriter said:
Remember that in fiction, most of the time, the system is not the hero...the outcast, rebel, skeptic, lone warrior, or opponent is. There are very few novels, movies, or TV shows, where the government, bureaucracy, and so on are the heroes, and the villain is the creative individualist battling against it.
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Well, usually in police and investigation and courtroom stories the bad guys ARE the rebels.

And there's Star Wars... or did I misunderstand that ??
 
chipmunk stew said:
http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=2390&view=findpost&p=5169304

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[rule 8]ing [rule 8] [rule 8]s!
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From the Losers:

Do a marriage license search at:
xxx
There are no marriage license records for Todd Beamerand Lisa Brosious!

Translation - If I can't find it, it doesn't exist.

I live in NY. But I was married in Virginia.

Where would you look for the license?

Further from the Losers:

"There is only one problem:Todd Beamer does not exist.Do a Social Security Death Index search for ToddBeamer at :"


Pssst - kids - he's not in the ssdi, because (drum roll - rimshot!) he was not collecting social security when he died! These kids need to read the whole page when they do a search - the death index lists the place that the last check was mailed to - no check? no listing!
 
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